TT turn into bluff vs unknown

I try to make him fold JJ-KK, thoughts on turn and do I jam river ?
Submitted by : EvilSky

POKERSTARS GAME #18555888939: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2008/07/03 - 14:21:55 (ET)
Table 'Gefion III' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: steffel500 ($138.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Juulio90 ($180 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($221 in chips)
Seat 6: Vizzini800 ($135.10 in chips)
Seat 7: ARGODEN ($196 in chips)
Seat 8: helen_gamble ($200 in chips)
ARGODEN: posts small blind $1
helen_gamble: posts big blind $2
Sammyd024466: sits out
x.sebi.x: sits out
poo-onastick: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
steffel500: calls $2
Juulio90: raises $4 to $6
Hero : calls $6
Vizzini800: calls $6
ARGODEN: calls $5
helen_gamble: folds
steffel500: calls $4

Flop (Pot : $32.00)

   
ARGODEN: checks
steffel500: checks
Juulio90: bets $20
Hero : calls $20
Vizzini800: folds
ARGODEN: folds
steffel500: folds

Turn (Pot : $72.00)

   
Juulio90: bets $20
Hero : raises $36 to $56
Juulio90: calls $36

River (Pot : $184.00)

   
Juulio90: checks
Hero : ?

just pitch the turn

don't trust unknowns to fold J's through K's on this board

your turn raise is freaking gay
what the hell you wanted to accomplish with such gay bet? im pretty sure that if u tried to represent a floated Ax in the flop you would raise bigger

just check the river ;/

as played you have no choice but to jam

hate your play pf

On July 04 2008 06:06 sawseech wrote: as played you have no choice but to jam

On July 04 2008 06:13 The72o wrote: hate your play pf

unfortunately the reality of fullring is that TT is mostly flatted for set value. regardless of this being shorter than fullring, fullring donks still play their positions as if it were a full table, so altho this may be utg+1 in a 6m game and he could be opening potentially wide, his raise here is what he perceives to be utg so hes probly NOT folding ANYTHING!

On July 03 2008 12:10 Logiabs~ wrote: your turn raise is freaking gay what the hell you wanted to accomplish with such gay bet? im pretty sure that if u tried to represent a floated Ax in the flop you would raise bigger

ya very true, if u had ace ud push turn action a little more. also the only ace ur capable of having realistically in a 4-5 way pot is Axh and if he perceives u as aggro ur raising that flop so u dont really rep anything.

TT turn into bluff vs unknown = no

On July 04 2008 08:27 gawdawaful wrote: Show nested quote + On July 04 2008 06:06 sawseech wrote: as played you have no choice but to jam

that would be spewtastic

I think if you're going to play the turn the way you did, then you have to fire river. You basically set yourself up for a river shove. With that said I still don't like it, because he is an unknown and you have no idea what his calling/folding range is. With more info/better reads this could be anywhere from horrible to great. Very player dependent spot.

Also, to anyone saying he should 3b pre, that is very bad at 1/2 FR for reasons I will let you figure out yourself. (Hint, utg limper and a utg+1 iso...)

terrible, fold turn

and yes if you do raise turn you must shove river but raising the turn is terrible anyway

i hope you aren't playing TT for set value shane

judging from his starting stack size / bet sizing on each street - this is not a player you wanna bluff off JJ+... ever

hes isolating a limper with 3x, and hes betting 1/4 pot on turn, he prob thinks his hand is so strong it dosnt need protection at any point

I wasnt intending to bluff the turn, but since he bet so small I thought its either AA or an underpair trying to get to showdown cheap, I did shove river and he had AA.