NL2 I suck bad

Yea I was under the impression top pair was good in nl2... but this has been happening all day

Submitted by : [GiTM]-Ace

PokerStars Game #18536774486: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/07/02 - 17:26:28 (ET)
Table 'Agrius V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Mikedagreat1 ($5.16 in chips)
Seat 3: kuksha ($3 in chips)
Seat 4: vovchik71 ($13.59 in chips)
Seat 5: XDocker ($11.91 in chips)
Seat 6: eaitsen ($4.31 in chips)
Mikedagreat1 : posts small blind $0.01
kuksha: posts big blind $0.02

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Mikedagreat1
vovchik71: calls $0.02
XDocker: calls $0.02
eaitsen: calls $0.02
Mikedagreat1 : raises $0.12 to $0.14
kuksha: calls $0.12
vovchik71: calls $0.12
XDocker: folds
eaitsen: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.46)

   
Mikedagreat1 : checks
kuksha: checks
vovchik71: checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $0.46)

   
Mikedagreat1 : bets $0.24
kuksha: raises $0.48 to $0.72
vovchik71: folds
Mikedagreat1 : raises $2.94 to $3.66
kuksha: calls $2.14 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.80) returned to Mikedagreat1

River (Pot : $6.18)

   

Showdown
Mikedagreat1 : shows (a pair of Aces)
kuksha: shows (three of a kind, Nines)
kuksha collected $5.88 from pot

Summary
Total pot $6.18 | Rake $0.30
Board  
Seat 2: Mikedagreat1 (small blind) showed and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: kuksha (big blind) showed and won ($5.88) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 4: vovchik71 folded on the Turn
Seat 5: XDocker folded before Flop
Seat 6: eaitsen (button) folded before Flop

PokerStars Game #18536609842: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/07/02 - 17:19:09 (ET)
Table 'Agrius V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Toraq1 ($4.18 in chips)
Seat 2: Mikedagreat1 ($4.89 in chips)
Seat 3: kuksha ($1.23 in chips)
Seat 4: vovchik71 ($13.88 in chips)
Seat 5: XDocker ($6.23 in chips)
Seat 6: eaitsen ($3.44 in chips)
Toraq1: posts small blind $0.01
Mikedagreat1 : posts big blind $0.02

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Mikedagreat1
kuksha: folds
vovchik71: calls $0.02
XDocker: calls $0.02
eaitsen: calls $0.02
Toraq1: folds
Mikedagreat1 : raises $0.12 to $0.14
vovchik71: calls $0.12
XDocker: calls $0.12
eaitsen: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.45)

   
Mikedagreat1 : bets $0.22
vovchik71: folds
XDocker: raises $0.48 to $0.70
Mikedagreat1 : raises $1.50 to $2.20
XDocker: raises $3.89 to $6.09 and is all-in
Mikedagreat1 : calls $2.55 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.34) returned to XDocker

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $9.95)

   

River (Pot : $9.95)

   

Showdown
Mikedagreat1 : shows (a pair of Aces)
XDocker: shows (three of a kind, Deuces)
XDocker collected $9.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $9.95 | Rake $0.45
Board  
Seat 1: Toraq1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Mikedagreat1 (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: kuksha folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: vovchik71 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: XDocker showed and won ($9.50) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 6: eaitsen (button) folded before Flop

bet the flop on the first one, the second one is a cooler

Yea I figured that for 1st... so although I didn't bet the flop should i have gotten it all in on the turn still?

yes, but not betting the flop is a huge huge mistake so it's kind of irrelevant, you should never end up in the turn spot again.

heres another

Submitted by : [GiTM]-Ace

PokerStars Game #18537447025: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/07/02 - 17:56:16 (ET)
Table 'Aneas' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: vovchik71 ($11.06 in chips)
Seat 2: dasher2004 ($3.24 in chips)
Seat 3: hanz123 ($4.98 in chips)
Seat 4: LaLa1naa ($1.02 in chips)
Seat 5: mollar40 ($4.89 in chips)
Seat 6: Mikedagreat1 ($5.14 in chips)
dasher2004: posts small blind $0.01
hanz123: posts big blind $0.02

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Mikedagreat1
LaLa1naa: folds
mollar40: folds
Mikedagreat1 : raises $0.06 to $0.08
vovchik71: calls $0.08
dasher2004: calls $0.07
hanz123: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.26)

   
dasher2004: checks
Mikedagreat1 : bets $0.16
vovchik71: folds
dasher2004: raises $0.16 to $0.32
Mikedagreat1 : raises $0.72 to $1.04
dasher2004: calls $0.72

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $2.34)

   
dasher2004: checks
Mikedagreat1 : bets $2.18
dasher2004: calls $2.12 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.06) returned to Mikedagreat1

River (Pot : $6.58)

   

Showdown
dasher2004: shows (two pair, Sevens and Fives)
Mikedagreat1 : mucks hand
dasher2004 collected $6.28 from pot

Summary
Total pot $6.58 | Rake $0.30
Board  
Seat 1: vovchik71 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: dasher2004 (small blind) showed and won ($6.28) with two pair, Sevens and Fives
Seat 3: hanz123 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: LaLa1naa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mollar40 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Mikedagreat1 mucked

1st hand is 100% cb.

2nd hand depends on player. Do you think he flats behind with Axs? I can't see him shoving J10s or something like that if he's a nit. If the guy is a huge nit you could find a way to fold this.

3rd one i might just call after his miniraise to see a turn you're in position. But you aren't ahead of much and even a draw with high cards you're flipping with. I'd say you are behind his range.

didnt want to make another thread... but here is some more this a bad fold?

Submitted by : [GiTM]-Ace

PokerStars Game #18561647396: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/07/03 - 18:29:53 (ET)
Table 'Arkab II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: milanello01 ($4.63 in chips)
Seat 2: Mikedagreat1 ($4.91 in chips)
Seat 3: Deam0n18 ($4.63 in chips)
Seat 4: bubi33 ($5.09 in chips)
Seat 5: steveycc ($9.26 in chips)
bubi33: posts small blind $0.01
steveycc: posts big blind $0.02

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Mikedagreat1
milanello01: folds
Mikedagreat1 : raises $0.06 to $0.08
Deam0n18: raises $0.12 to $0.20
bubi33: calls $0.19
steveycc: calls $0.18
Mikedagreat1 : raises $0.80 to $1
Deam0n18: calls $0.80
bubi33: folds
BonFly has returned
steveycc: calls $0.80

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $3.20)

   
steveycc: checks
Mikedagreat1 : checks
Deam0n18: bets $0.20
steveycc: calls $0.20
Mikedagreat1 : folds

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $3.60)

   
steveycc: bets $0.30
Deam0n18: calls $0.30

River (Pot : $4.20)

   
steveycc: bets $1.30
Deam0n18: calls $1.30

Showdown
steveycc: shows (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
Deam0n18: shows (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Deam0n18 collected $6.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $6.80 | Rake $0.30
Board  
Seat 1: milanello01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Mikedagreat1 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Deam0n18 (button) showed and won ($6.50) with two pair, Queens and Sevens
Seat 4: bubi33 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: steveycc (big blind) showed and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sevens

PokerStars Game #18562039497: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/07/03 - 18:48:42 (ET)
Table 'Prymno' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Appi3Y ($2.97 in chips)
Seat 2: Mikedagreat1 ($5.63 in chips)
Seat 3: Richmoney84 ($0.91 in chips)
Seat 4: GreitasisVez ($5.03 in chips)
Seat 5: seged ($1 in chips)
Seat 6: Chrissi1979 ($2.92 in chips)
GreitasisVez: posts small blind $0.01
seged: posts big blind $0.02
Appi3Y: posts big blind $0.02

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Mikedagreat1
Chrissi1979: folds
Appi3Y: checks
Mikedagreat1 : raises $0.08 to $0.10
Richmoney84: folds
GreitasisVez: folds
seged: folds
Appi3Y: calls $0.08

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.23)

   
Appi3Y: checks
Mikedagreat1 : bets $0.08
Appi3Y: calls $0.08

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $0.39)

   
Appi3Y: checks
Mikedagreat1 : bets $0.22
Appi3Y: calls $0.22

River (Pot : $0.83)

   
Appi3Y: bets $0.50
Mikedagreat1 : raises $1.72 to $2.22
Appi3Y: raises $0.35 to $2.57 and is all-in
Mikedagreat1 : calls $0.35

Showdown
Appi3Y: shows (three of a kind, Sevens)
Mikedagreat1 : mucks hand
Appi3Y collected $5.72 from pot

Summary
Total pot $5.97 | Rake $0.25
Board  
Seat 1: Appi3Y showed and won ($5.72) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 2: Mikedagreat1 mucked
Seat 3: Richmoney84 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: GreitasisVez (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: seged (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Chrissi1979 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

make a bigger flop bet, otherwise its fine also

2nd hand flat his river lead out.

even if it's a blocking bet, if you raise him nothing worse is calling you.

I'm starting from the very top of the thread:

First hand: You should have bet like 40 cents or more on the flop. That turn situation should never happen.

Second hand: I can't comment on this.

Third Hand: In microstakes, a simple min-raise like that usually means he has some kind of hand, and 99 isn't too strong. Since you were in position I guess you could have called, but you aren't gaining much if anything.

Fourth Hand: I would have bet somewhere between 1.60 - 2 dollars (although admittedly on the lower end) on the flop. Exactly because situations like that happen. This advice might be misguided though.

Fifth Hand: Bet like 20 cents on the flop. Considering how weakly you played it, I'd call his river bet. Like Fox said though, there's nothing worse than a pair of Aces he's calling you with, so reraising is a waste of time.

Overall your bet sizes are far too small. As my threads here can attest to, you'll find yourself in a whole new mess of situations once you start betting bigger, but these kinds of things will happen to you far less.

On July 02 2008 14:48 lebowski wrote: bet the flop on the first one, the second one is a cooler

3rd - call after min raise - very unlikely you are getting reraised here by a worse hand and even more unlikely with a min raise - see how it develops but you are probably behind.

4th - you can't fold this with the tiny bet and call on the flop. These are scared bets that either are scared of the Ace on the flop/v bad blockers with flush draws - you should raise here to $2.20 or something like that - it doesn't need to be pot sized. 9 times out of 10 you will take the pot down in this situation. This is the advantage of position - you must use it.

5th - bet much bigger on the flop. It's a straightforward PF raise/call and you hit the flop - bet pot or at least 3/4 pot. It defines your position and when he calls you know you need to be more careful afterwards. Probably still bet on turn - when he check calls again you have to expect you are in trouble. Your raise on the river is a bit pointless as you will only get looked up by better hands and with his C/C, C/C, Bet he is representing real strength - you only have TPTK.

As Heero says - many of the sitautions you are getting yourself in to here are because of poor bet sizing post flop. It may sound strange but if you bet bigger you will lose less when you are behind and may make better hands fold. Weak bets post flop will only get you in to a whole heap of trouble as you find nothing out about your opponents as it is so easy for them to call or raise.

thx for advice guys. I have heard before from another friend before that my bets are to small but I always believed standard c-bet size was around half the pot range? And since I c-bet often wouldn't it mean I would have to make those 3/4 and pot size cbets when i miss too?

I think standard cbet is 3/4th or so of pot. Never half pot from what I've seen. I agree your bets are too small though.

Standard cbet at NL2 and NL5 is at least 3/4 pot if not full pot. Cbet at NL10 is about 3/4 pot.

The reason is that you want to bet as much as you would if you actually had a hand, and betting half pot when you have a hand is not getting value. You want to bet 3/4 to full pot when you have a good hand. Also, betting 1/2 pot when you have a hand gives good odds for someone to suck out.

When you cbet, you don't have a hand. You want to make your bet fearsome. 1/2 pot is not fearsome. Lots of donks will merrily call with marginal hands and take your money at showdown.

hand 1 cbet fo sure
hand 2 thats a cooler its ok
hand 3 call the raise on the flop and u can prolly c/c or c/f turn its pretty bad board imo
hand 4 its fine most of the times a guy will have an Ace there .. sux but it happens
hand 5 just call river imo ... u have to concider the fact that he doesnt c/c again he directly leads out river if u raise him and u get a shove u r beat fo sure