Is this Pf call Bad??

villain is a typical 16/11/1 guy.It is important to mention that his bets were always 4xbb until now.So my question is if this call is ever profitable or a leak?
Submitted by : xafies

PokerStars Game #18460918429: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/06/29 - 10:10:27 (ET)
Table 'Guinevere' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: inwooke ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: AndTheWalrus ($121.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Duke748 ($106.55 in chips)
Seat 4: loetje ($99 in chips)
Seat 6: aleKs21 ($121.10 in chips)
loetje: posts small blind $0.50
aleKs21: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to AndTheWalrus
inwooke: raises $2 to $3
AndTheWalrus : calls $3

if his bets were 4x bb he either probably has something big or like 7-8s 8-9s 9-10s 10-js, easy fold in early pos

Really hard to get some kind of range estimation since all you know that he just changed his opening raising size, could be misclick (it happens...), could be a big hand (although I've seen those kind of players min-raise their big hands preflop more often) or whatever.

Hard to tell if you didn't see anything him raising smaller and know what it means, what I think is a bigger factor is his position and without much of a read and against those stats I'd just fold this... No reason to think you are good against his range here with QJo and it's not like it yields you huge impied odds, rather have some medium suited connector if you're trying to flop big and stack his AA-QQ or AK spiking top pair.

his range dominates JQo so badly ,and when you actually flop TP you never know if it's good

sometmies player dependent. but this is a fold normally.

if it was suited and something like 89s i'd rather call with that.

Is this serious ?

call with like 45suited here way before ud call with that garbage. huge spew

isn't he utg?

snapfold this

3betting him with 27 >>>>>>>>> calling with JQo

On June 29 2008 20:11 LostDevil wrote: call with like 45suited here way before ud call with that garbage. huge spew

That's such a trash hand. Even calling out of the big blind to a 3bb raise is highly questionable.

this hand in fact has in fact bad reverse implied odds vs this guys range plus u have ppl to act behind you.


this is the dude u flop a queen with and think ur getting in a vbet somewhere but u get called by aq

Agree with all above AND you can't read anything in to his different bet sizing unless you have history and have a read - it could mean that he has a premium hand and wants action, could mean he has a weaker hand and doesn't want to put so much in (rare), could be everyone else has been betting 3x BB and he is adjusting or more likely he just want to vary his opening raise size to get people thinking........or calling with trash like QJo......

How good is your post flop game? If you have to ask, this is probably bad

Can someone explain what "villain is a typical 16/11/1 guy." means?

On June 30 2008 05:57 itachi wrote: Can someone explain what "villain is a typical 16/11/1 guy." means?

...it means u shouldnt be calling his raises with JQo.


he voluntarily puts money in the pot 16% of the time,
raises preflop 11%
has an agression factor of 1...which probably means he is probably a weak post flop player..given his other stats.

Actually i had an argument with a friend here(he was saying that calling here is a leak).In my point of view most of the times this guy has a hand like 22 33 45s etc/He knows he got to raise it but not much(I believe he never has a good hand here-he is not fishy-).So i think i can call and take it down easily in most flops .Obv im wrong regarding the replies
Thanks

On June 30 2008 06:10 killThemDonks wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2008 05:57 itachi wrote: Can someone explain what "villain is a typical 16/11/1 guy." means? ...it means u shouldnt be calling his raises with JQo. he voluntarily puts money in the pot 16% of the time, raises preflop 11% has an agression factor of 1...which probably means he is probably a weak post flop player..given his other stats.

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If that is your read then just 3bet. Let him call to try to outflop you, then take it down when he misses the flop 90% of the time

and what happens when someone behind him calls aswell with aq or kq and a q drops on the flop when your oop? imo fold these garbage hands early pos n don't think about it too much