[NL5] What's my move?

No real history/read on this guy.

I think I know exactly what I should of done, but it may be hindsight after he told me his hand.

Submitted by : Night2o1

PokerStars Game #18393733873: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/06/26 - 10:18:49 (ET)
Table 'Panopaea' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($11.19 in chips)
Seat 2: llbilldogll ($6.74 in chips)
Seat 3: Giceey ($13.09 in chips)
Seat 4: bestchecker0 ($4.01 in chips)
Seat 5: Sedeete ($4.88 in chips)
Seat 6: Seneca055 ($4.27 in chips)
Sedeete: posts small blind $0.02
Seneca055: posts big blind $0.05

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero : raises $0.15 to $0.20
llbilldogll: raises $0.15 to $0.35
Giceey: folds
bestchecker0: calls $0.35
Sedeete: folds
Seneca055: folds
Hero : calls $0.15

Flop (Pot : $1.12)

   
Hero : bets $0.70
llbilldogll: raises $2.05 to $2.75

I'd fold, most players are really scared of the monotone boards so he's unlikely to be raising without the flush, even if he has something like set/2pair and you have your full 13 outs it's still a coinflip, you can find much better spots than that to play all-in at NL5 and considering he's only got 4$ behind I dont think you can just call.

not sure what i would do here..

if his stack were a bit deeper...id see a turn. he is most likely raising with over pair or set...or even A K on a draw

if turn is a at best a non diamond Q....ez check/fold.
if you hit....he will pay you off.



just curious what did you do?

I folded, because I agree most people are really afraid of monotone boards so the first thing that came to mind was a made flush.

He showed pocket aces-- In hindsight I should of seen the pocket overpair when he 3bet me preflop...3bet preflop is extremely rare at NL5 as it is only done by overpairs JJ+, basically. I think that I should of shoved (even though his stack is not deep, he'd fold QQ+) he might of even folded sets TT, JJ there.. basically anything except for a made flush. If he did call I have 36% equity against a set, 28% against a made flush which kind of sucks.

Basically I got outplayed, I think.

On June 26 2008 08:55 Night2o1 wrote: I folded, because I agree most people are really afraid of monotone boards so the first thing that came to mind was a made flush. He showed pocket aces-- In hindsight I should of seen the pocket overpair when he 3bet me preflop...3bet preflop is extremely rare at NL5 as it is only done by overpairs JJ+, basically. I think that I should of shoved (even though his stack is not deep, he'd fold QQ+) he might of even folded sets TT, JJ there.. basically anything except for a made flush. If he did call I have 36% equity against a set, 28% against a made flush which kind of sucks. Basically I got outplayed, I think.

i dont think he is ever folding there, just frome experience...in general ppl on NL 5 will call all the way with TPTK even if the board is monosuit on the turn and they dont have the flush.


in this hand...id probably suggest check/calling the flop as well..instead of leading out betting. try to see a turn as cheaply as possible.

I really doubt you have any fold equity here, he already put in almost half his stack. Even if he has QQ/KK/AA you're only 50% to win the pot and that's the best case scenario. I dont understand why you think it's a good idea to move all-in when you're at best a coinflip and a lot of the time a 2:1 underdog. there's just no way you're ahead here, even if he's a complete idiot going all-in with AK here he's still ahead of you.

and if you think he's only 3betting JJ+ why are you calling a 3bet with AQo?

it depends on the kind of read u have on the villan, pobably he had made that move with a baby flush or set

Oskar's right, except I asked him if he'd fold and he said yes. People don't think about how much of their stack is committed or if they are about to commit with a bet at these tables. You're still right though.

i think i'd shove, but looking at pokerstove you're going to be flipping most of the time. maybe a flaw on my part

Is it standard to call a 3 bet with AQ at 6 max?

depends on size, position, opponent. generally i do

he's never folding if you shove

lol i doubt he has a flush i never ever give ppl credit for a flopped flush. sorry didnt really analyze this hand that much but i basically never put someone on a flush on the flop

I hate your flop lead, he's never folding an overpair or missed AK.
Check and call as long as he doesn't overbet

Fold, there's no feasible way you win this hand. I'd make my Cbet a bit lower but that's just me.

fold u dont beat nothing i doubt he ll fold if u shove it ...

i d shove

since u have a good amount of outs vs most of his range

but
a) i am a spewmonkey
b) i dont care about 5$ or what it is
c) flopped flushes dont exist in my villian hand range ever when i consider my equity on flop vs villian ranges ^^

so i put him on AK AA KK QQ here and fold preflop if he is tight.
which basically never puts me in such situation here

as played i shove bet/shove flop

On June 26 2008 09:56 Oskar_123 wrote: I dont understand why you think it's a good idea to move all-in when you're at best a coinflip

probably read a book about odds then

hes 54% vs QQ 50% vs kk 47% vs AA and 44% vs AK

so overall he has 49% vs assumed villian range here ...

thats a shove for me ....

call is terrible imo since he has so few behind...
u basically just lower your equity with a call

so imo options from best to worst

1) Fold preflop <---- NUTZ
2.)shove flop <--- fine imo
3.)call <--- not good
4.)fold <-- absolut worst option imo


edit:
btw i am surprised by some of the tipps here T_T

imo
sets and baby flushes are not often enough in an unknowns range here considering the preflop action to assume ure beat by a mile.

also whats up with all the -> u beat nothing comments ?
imo he beats a shitload of villian range for more than enough to get the right odds for a push

Thanks for all of the input guys.. I decided I think I will shove in similiar situations next time.