[NL200] TT blind battle

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/445646

So what do you do on the flop after his gay minR? I have no reads or stats on him. I'm putting him on pair +str draw/FD/two pair maybe. After his actions pf and on flop he seems to be a donk.

Ps. It looks like the bet sizes are wrong, i made it 8$ pf, and little less than pot on flop, after recent ipoker update it looks like PT is reading them wrong, even after recent patch installation.

Submitted by : szwindel

GAME #983288755: Texas Hold'em NL $1.00/$2.00 2008-05-16 11:46:11
Table Rois
Seat 1: szwindel ($219.30 in chips)
Seat 5: KozakMaMay ($89.35 in chips)
Seat 6: delboy038 ($46.67 in chips)
Seat 8: 160153 ($92.13 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: GMCarlsem ($205.25 in chips)
GMCarlsem: Post SB $1.00
szwindel : Post BB $2.00

Holecards
Dealt to szwindel
Dealt to GMCarlsem
KozakMaMay: Fold
delboy038: Call $2.00
160153: Fold
GMCarlsem: Call $1.00
szwindel : Raise (NF) $10.00
delboy038: Fold
GMCarlsem: Call $8.00

Flop (Pot : $14.00)

   
GMCarlsem: Check
szwindel : Bet $18.00
GMCarlsem: Raise (NF) $36.00
szwindel : Raise (NF) $96.00
GMCarlsem: Allin $159.25
szwindel : Call $99.25

Turn (Pot : $290.50)

   

River (Pot : $290.50)

   

Summary
Total pot $409.50 Rake $3.00

you should probably make it 12, or at least 10 preflop. you have position so calling the minraise is ok on the flop. i'd rather keep the pot small on a board like this and reevaluate on the turn. Especially without more information on the villain.

dunno how you expect people to answer without giving some reads. i mean if he always plays his flush draws/pair and straights slow in this situation then you're up against a set, straight or 2 pair pretty much all day and obviously can't play for stacks vs that range, infact you're better off just folding flop vs that range cause if you improve to overtake his hand you'll win at most 1 more bet considering it would put a 4 straight on board or counterfeit his 2 pair and even if you improve you may still be beat (like turn comes a T and he has 75s or T7s for instance). so you need some kind of a good idea of what his range is, if he's never bluffing and never raising the flop with anything like a draw just fold the flop, this is good because when you bet you WILL be called by worse, but won't get raised by worse making a bet/fold ideal.

fwiw just because he's a "donk" it doesn't mean he's minraising ATC here. there are many different types of players and this "donk" may be the type who plays all his draws slow and marginal made hands slow (like A9 on this board) in which case you can't stack off vs him.

also make it 10-12 preflop, there's a limper also and you're oop vs him so want to discourage him from playing a pot in position when your hand range is likely strong (you won't be raising trash from the blinds here) otherwise his implied odds are good, which is not actually true in this case since he only has $46, but even so you really don't wanna play a multiway pot, and that's gonna happen an extreme amount of time here if you just make it 8.

and whether raising the flop or flatting the flop minraise is good if there are a ton of draws in his range aswell as hands that beat you is hard to say. in position here i would probably elect to just flat and look for a good turn card to stack off on (like this one) since the J rarely helps his range unless he has JcXc or JT and gives you more outs vs hands that beat you and all draws you were ahead of have significantly lower equity now with only 1 more card to come. just 3bet/getting it in on the flop is not bad also though as you risk the chance that he will simply give up putting any more money in the pot if he misses his draw, so this may in fact be the better play if he is going to play the turn passively (not necessarily true again if he will c/c the turn, i simply mean if he will put his entire stack in on the flop with a draw but c/f a turn miss if you flat)

there you go. /thread

If you think the majority of his range is draws (which is on this flop texture is easy to say) get it in on the turn when your equity is highest, your not really "ahead" of anything here, your either flipping or beat. Given the information you provided you will probably not show a profit playing all in on this flop against his range, and the point of poker (last time i checked) is to make money, whereas on the turn a shove should be +EV

Actually i made 10$ pf lol, sorry for confusion. When i was reviewing the hand i missed that limper, and i was sure i wouldn't make it 10$ with only sb, so i thought PT read it badly. But if there was that limper i would surely make it 10$. On flop i made 18$ to 22$ pot.

And i agree that flatting flop/shove safe turn is better play. I would 3bet here OOP tho.

yeah i prefer calling flop shoving turn.

but i don't think you r line is terrible.

On May 16 2008 10:01 TalentedTom wrote: If you think the majority of his range is draws (which is on this flop texture is easy to say) get it in on the turn when your equity is highest, your not really "ahead" of anything here, your either flipping or beat. Given the information you provided you will probably not show a profit playing all in on this flop against his range, and the point of poker (last time i checked) is to make money, whereas on the turn a shove should be +EV

awsome post. Think i learned something today ;-)