[nl10]how to play big draws

Submitted by : rockman255

PokerStars Game #17384025408: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/05/12 - 17:06:05 (ET)
Table 'Cosette IV' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: djedje.34280 ($7.90 in chips)
Seat 3: suckmyford ($6.45 in chips)
Seat 4: rockman255 ($15.65 in chips)
Seat 5: jesustm ($33.35 in chips)
Seat 6: frigoo ($5.45 in chips)
suckmyford: posts small blind $0.05
rockman255 : posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to rockman255
jesustm: raises $0.20 to $0.30
frigoo: folds
djedje.34280: folds
suckmyford: folds
rockman255 : calls $0.20

Flop (Pot : $0.65)

   
rockman255 : checks
jesustm: bets $0.80
rockman255 : raises $1.50 to $2.30
jesustm: calls $1.50

Turn (Pot : $5.25)

   
rockman255 : checks
jesustm: bets $1.40
rockman255 : calls $1.40

River (Pot : $8.05)

   
rockman255 : checks
jesustm: bets $1.20
rockman255 : raises $10.45 to $11.65 and is all-in
jesustm: folds
Uncalled bet ($10.45) returned to rockman255
rockman255 collected $9.95 from pot

Summary
Total pot $10.45 | Rake $0.50
Board  
Seat 1: djedje.34280 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: suckmyford (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: rockman255 (big blind) collected ($9.95)
Seat 5: jesustm folded on the River
Seat 6: frigoo folded before Flop (didn't bet)

shove turn?

Check/raise all in on turn is fine.
Check/calling with a monster draw like that is pretty weak.

being oops sucks eh


raise flop bigger

potsized raise on flop is to 3.05

i like check shoving turn also

might get a free card but if he bets you're getting it in anyways

srsly shove turn. Draws benefit immensely from getting most of the money in before the card comes. Your 2 might even be live, should be ahead by a bit with the combo draw.

sorry for the bump but.

muahaha, a terribly misplayed hand, but similar to this one i guess :O

i totally lost g-bucks and sklansky bucks here

Submitted by : rockman255

PokerStars Game #17417925590: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/05/14 - 02:45:57 (ET)
Table 'Lampetia IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: rockman255 ($29.30 in chips)
Seat 2: iseeubaby ($17.55 in chips)
Seat 3: DanM/HBsoCal ($29.75 in chips)
Seat 4: majestro2 ($14.10 in chips)
Seat 5: arutlupes89 ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Experp ($31.15 in chips)
Experp: posts small blind $0.10
rockman255 : posts big blind $0.25

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to rockman255
iseeubaby: raises $0.25 to $0.50
DanM/HBsoCal: folds
majestro2: folds
arutlupes89: calls $0.50
Experp: folds
rockman255 : calls $0.25

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1.60)

   
rockman255 : bets $1
iseeubaby: calls $1
arutlupes89: raises $3 to $4
rockman255 : calls $3
iseeubaby: folds

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $10.60)

   
rockman255 : checks
arutlupes89: bets $10
rockman255 : raises $10 to $20
arutlupes89: calls $9.80 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.20) returned to rockman255

River (Pot : $50.20)

   

Showdown
rockman255 : shows (a straight flush, Eight to Queen)
arutlupes89: mucks hand
rockman255 collected $47.75 from pot

Summary
Total pot $50.20 | Rake $2.45
Board  
Seat 1: rockman255 (big blind) showed and won ($47.75) with a straight flush, Eight to Queen
Seat 2: iseeubaby folded on the Flop
Seat 3: DanM/HBsoCal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: majestro2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: arutlupes89 (button) mucked
Seat 6: Experp (small blind) folded before Flop

Hi rockman, I am a noob poker player so I was wondering if you could let me know if I'm on the right track when I'm thinking about the raise you made right after the turn in your last post.

So after the turn,you would win if you get either another diamond (.25 chance) or finish your straight (1/6 chance), so your chance of winning the pot of $30 is (.25+1/6) = .40 ish. So if you raise, you statistically gain $12 ish (30 * .40 = 12), and it costs you $10 to raise.

So from that, I think that you were right to raise, but luck was also a part of it, since you got the cards that you wanted, and that the two other peeps called as well, so the pot ended up being even bigger.

Tell me if my thinking is right. I'm new to poker, so I'm just trying to get the hang of things so I can move up the stakes

I like how you played the 2nd hand much more than the 1st. The first is so transparent everyone knows you're on a draw.

yeah you are playing with your cards face up that first hand. shove turn?

the thing i dont get though is, even though i play the second more aggressively, am i not losing sklansky bucks the whole time? or what.. am i assuming i get it all in for a flip asap?

the correct way to consider a draw, because some straight cards also make the flush.. if i assume my opponent has trips or worse then any straight or flush card makes it, right? theres 8 straight cards, 2 of which are diamonds, leaving 7 diamonds in the deck.

finally, i know my 2 hole cards, i know the flop and turn = 4, so there are 46 cards remaining in the deck

this i have a 15/46 = something like 31.5% chance of drawing out on the river on the final card

which is why i commented originally that my play was poor

(i dont know if you were joking or not, but saying the flush chance is 0.25 is obviously incorrect because we must only consider cards remaining in the deck, not the entire deck, and adding probabilities in general is not correct)

Bet Turn >_> Dont check after raising flop

On May 14 2008 19:07 rockman255 wrote: the correct way to consider a draw, because some straight cards also make the flush.. if i assume my opponent has trips or worse then any straight or flush card makes it, right? theres 8 straight cards, 2 of which are diamonds, leaving 7 diamonds in the deck. finally, i know my 2 hole cards, i know the flop and turn = 4, so there are 46 cards remaining in the deck this i have a 15/46 = something like 31.5% chance of drawing out on the river on the final card which is why i commented originally that my play was poor (i dont know if you were joking or not, but saying the flush chance is 0.25 is obviously incorrect because we must only consider cards remaining in the deck, not the entire deck, and adding probabilities in general is not correct)

thanks!