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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. May 11 2008 05:56. Posts 5070 | | |
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Villain is, in my opinion, one of the best 10/20+ regulars on FTP and Stars who plays 25/20/3.15. I can never have JT and I'm pretty sure he can never have it either when he checks the turn on this board. Do you ship it in and maybe once in a blue moon get a call by a smaller straight that had a flush draw too or something? Or just flat? |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. May 11 2008 06:01. Posts 5070 | | |
My image at this point is probably pretty standard and straight forward. Haven't done anything of note really, playing about 33/25/3 or so but pretty passive and straightforward post flop. |
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nolan   Ireland. May 11 2008 06:09. Posts 6205 | | |
There's probably more value in making it $1,500. A shove like that makes it much more likely you have a lock hand imo as you're not trying to "save" any $ when your bluff gets called. |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. May 11 2008 06:12. Posts 5070 | | |
Hm yea I never even considered a smaller raise. Might be good, but 1500 is not much less than his stack, which is about ~2.1k before any river action |
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nolan   Ireland. May 11 2008 07:05. Posts 6205 | | |
In that case I'd usually minraise. |
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Daut   United States. May 11 2008 09:54. Posts 8955 | | |
while i dont really believe that 2 way bets exist, there is an interesting phenomena where he will fold out a hand you chop with a certain percentage of the time while obviously calling a lot, but will call sometimes with hands worse than yours, but certainly at a lower percentage, i would say something along the following could happen:
1. he might fold a ten 1 in 20 so sometimes you fold out the chop
2. he might call worse 1 in 5 so sometimes you get value from worse
and i wouldnt say he never has JT (he certainly shows up with it sometimes) but when combined with the 2 above it becomes profitable to raise |
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Rhaegar   Bulgaria. May 11 2008 12:17. Posts 2586 | | |
No value at all, just call. |
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Twisted   Netherlands. May 13 2008 01:26. Posts 10422 | | |
What about the times where villain is gonna level himself because of missed diamond draws or possibility of AdXd hands turning their hand into a bluff?
He might even think that you'd just call with a ten here so you could only shove with JT or bluff. I would always raise here. Well played imo. Minraise looks too strong and won't get called by worse here. |
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YoMeR   United States. May 13 2008 03:07. Posts 12438 | | |
I like this with the right image.
actually i like this in general nh |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. May 13 2008 03:34. Posts 5070 | | |
| | On May 13 2008 00:26 Twisted wrote:
What about the times where villain is gonna level himself because of missed diamond draws or possibility of AdXd hands turning their hand into a bluff?
He might even think that you'd just call with a ten here so you could only shove with JT or bluff. I would always raise here. Well played imo. Minraise looks too strong and won't get called by worse here. |
True, it obviously confused him what with this: "skier_5: wth"
He did think for like 3 seconds and call with Td9d but he may have just done the same with a smaller straight for all i know |
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Twisted   Netherlands. May 13 2008 06:33. Posts 10422 | | |
And why wouldn't we shove when he never has JT :|
shoving can never be bad if he never has it lol, second nuts ship it in. If anything, if he folds a set or something he doesn't get to see our hand! |
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Rhaegar   Bulgaria. May 13 2008 08:09. Posts 2586 | | |
We can never have JT, he can have it. Its a stupid move. |
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| | On May 11 2008 08:54 Daut wrote:
1. he might fold a ten 1 in 20 so sometimes you fold out the chop
2. he might call worse 1 in 5 so sometimes you get value from worse
and i wouldnt say he never has JT (he certainly shows up with it sometimes) but when combined with the 2 above it becomes profitable to raise |
perfect daut - also make sure to adjust the reraise size from all in too a non-all in based on who you face and his emotions, there is some value to be gained there, dont go braindead! |
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Rhaegar   Bulgaria. May 13 2008 17:05. Posts 2586 | | |
And you're all fucking morons...
First --> This guy is a pretty good player...
Second --> Guy leads into 2 people on a horrible board to bluff and checks turn on this board --> He has something v strong and its not a set. ATdd, A6dd are possible. JTdd is a very small possibility in truth, but he could decide to get tricky once in a while. TT is probably not in his range.
On river he bets --> he will definitely check 2 pair here, protecting with a check from a T sometimes.
I don't really see him bluffing river all that often (or at all for that matter), but I dont see him vbetting less than a ten as well.
And while the chance of him having JT is very low, there is at least some chance that he has it. There is like absolutely zero chance that we have it though (im pretty sure Midian will never check it behind or not raise flop for that matter)..
If there is 1% chance of him havig JT, our push is wrong, seeing as were not getting called by worse and not getting a fold from a split ever.
Actually, if theres 1/1000 chance of him having JT, our push is wrong.
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tomson   Poland. May 13 2008 17:23. Posts 1982 | | |
What if there's 1/10 000 chance of him having JT? Is that ok then? |
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Rhaegar   Bulgaria. May 13 2008 17:37. Posts 2586 | | |
Prob not. It does lose like 18c a hand to a call! |
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Twisted   Netherlands. May 14 2008 00:48. Posts 10422 | | |
I think the times he calls with a set or a 5 or something is higher than the times he has JT.
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Rekrul   United States. May 14 2008 01:01. Posts 3338 | | |
against a different opponent i'd shove but vs this nit it's better to flat call
he's not betting out that river with a five or a set, lol |
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Rhaegar   Bulgaria. May 14 2008 05:52. Posts 2586 | | |
Even if he is firing with a 5 or a T, hes never calling without a T and never folding a T. Sure, if it was some random idiot and especially if there was little left, shove.. Otherwise its pointless. |
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