89dd is this a standard line?

Submitted by : ReSpOnSe

PokerStars Game #17307263982: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/05/09 - 10:38:57 (ET)
Table 'Konkolya' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: NeOReSpOnSe ($31.70 in chips)
Seat 2: rickboom ($20.45 in chips)
Seat 3: mabla1 ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 4: houston666 ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 6: MAQAS ($24.65 in chips)
houston666: posts small blind $0.10
MAQAS: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to NeOReSpOnSe
NeOReSpOnSe : raises $0.50 to $0.75
rickboom: raises $1 to $1.75
mabla1: folds
houston666: folds
MAQAS: folds
NeOReSpOnSe : calls $1

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $3.85)

   
NeOReSpOnSe : bets $2.50
rickboom: raises $6.50 to $9
NeOReSpOnSe : raises $20.95 to $29.95 and is all-in
rickboom: calls $9.70 and is all-in

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $41.25)

   

River (Pot : $41.25)

   

Showdown
NeOReSpOnSe : shows (a pair of Sixes)
rickboom: shows (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
rickboom collected $39.25 from pot

Summary
Total pot $41.25 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: NeOReSpOnSe showed and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 2: rickboom showed and won ($39.25) with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 3: mabla1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: houston666 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MAQAS (big blind) folded before Flop

i would fold on the flop after the raise

We have a gutshot straightflush draw.
C/shove, c/r, bet/3b

Whichever.

Yea your line is great. You have 50% to win against his range so you're just trying to make him fold by shoving to freeroll for the money already in the pot. Super standard.

Looks good, especially for one buy in. Even if you don't hit he'll see how you play draws and it makes you that much more unpredictable.

You can't fold pf for such a small raise for sure and you can't go wrong post flop as long as it goes all in on the flop. Personally I would rather c/r the flop as I think he cbets his entire range on such an uncoordinated board, but not fuck with us too much if we lead and he missed (we win his cbet when we c/r and he folds). Also there's a chance if we lead he just flats which puts us in an awkward spot on the turn if we miss so I much prefer c/ring.

if this is exactly what you do with sets then this is perfectly fine.

perfect flop, jam that shit in

On May 09 2008 08:16 DspMstr wrote: i would fold on the flop after the raise

no?

get it in ^^

On May 09 2008 09:15 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: You can't fold pf for such a small raise for sure and you can't go wrong post flop as long as it goes all in on the flop. Personally I would rather c/r the flop as I think he cbets his entire range on such an uncoordinated board, but not fuck with us too much if we lead and he missed (we win his cbet when we c/r and he folds). Also there's a chance if we lead he just flats which puts us in an awkward spot on the turn if we miss so I much prefer c/ring.

Only thing I don't like is your donk lead, whats your logic behind that?

C/R flop the lead is retarded.

On May 09 2008 16:10 asdf2000 wrote: C/R flop the lead is retarded.

looks fine, don't donk and you don't have to fold D:

I dont like your line actually.

I think C/R(S) is way better than donkbet here. Villian is almost cbetting his entire range and you can easily check/raise en get it in that way + you have FE.

Instead of when you donkbet villian will be floating alot/ just calling with mediocre hand/monsters and you have no clue what to do on the turn, 2nd barreling or not blablbal..

so imho CR>bet/3bet

edit: most important part is that you mis cbetequity

On May 10 2008 05:24 FLOPjunk Quad wrote: I dont like your line actually. I think C/R(S) is way better than donkbet here. Villian is almost cbetting his entire range and you can easily check/raise en get it in that way + you have FE. Instead of when you donkbet villian will be floating alot/ just calling with mediocre hand/monsters and you have no clue what to do on the turn, 2nd barreling or not blablbal.. so imho CR>bet/3bet edit: most important part is that you mis cbetequity

lol, I must have read this in every post... thanks for the summary

--- Nuked ---

was ez shove, didn't hit, shit happens

your preflop call is marginal because he's not 3betting you light. therefore, you don't want to try and play a huge pot on this flop when you have a superstrong draw and zero fold equity. check/call the flop. if you miss on the turn and he bets big, just fold.

you'll win the same amount when you get there, and you'll lose a lot less when you don't.

srsly, really important lesson here: DO NOT TRY TO GET ALLIN ON THE FLOP WITH STRONG DRAWS WHEN YOU ALREADY KNEW PREFLOP THAT YOUR OPPONENT HAD A MONSTER