JJ Overpair.. Turn ?? River??

Submitted by : wobbly_au

PokerStars Game #12161308646: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/09/20 - 03:47:15 (ET)
Table 'Celaeno' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: jpapola ($520.50 in chips)
Seat 2: gl79 ($561 in chips)
Seat 3: BBSteeler ($797.70 in chips)
Seat 4: YAOMINGMING ($549 in chips)
Seat 6: Kelisitaan ($1733.25 in chips)
Seat 7: wobbly_au ($799.15 in chips)
Seat 8: Shazmeister ($740.65 in chips)
JayBizzle8 will be allowed to play after the button
jpapola: posts small blind $3
gl79: posts big blind $6
INTREPID FOX: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to wobbly_au
BBSteeler: calls $6
YAOMINGMING: calls $6
Kelisitaan: folds
wobbly_au : raises $30 to $36
Shazmeister: calls $36
jpapola: folds
gl79: folds
gl79 is sitting out
BBSteeler: calls $30
YAOMINGMING: folds

Flop (Pot : $123.00)

   
BBSteeler: checks
wobbly_au : bets $100
Shazmeister: folds
BBSteeler: calls $100

Turn (Pot : $323.00)

   
gl79 leaves the table
BBSteeler: bets $175
wobbly_au : calls $175

River (Pot : $673.00)

   
BBSteeler: bets $486.70 and is all-in

man, against a 1 AF I think it's very unlikely that we're ahead here

wow this is so close....i really feel like a call here is necessary simply b/c the board bricked out turn/river and that should be our plan anyways, since we played it so passively. bleh. hard to put him on a real hand tbh...

this is how donks play low PP

this is like your beat 90% o the time.

I push on turn


He'd check/call with a set on the flop and then bet out when he hits full house?

all Im afraid of is a flopped straight


well this is fr maybe I should keep quiet. There is only 7 players though..

agreed that 67 or a very unlikely 64 type of hand are your only concerns

this is a very passive player from my experience, the only hand we ever beat here is a busted fd and i think thats really unlikely. i like to fold on the turn here vs this guy

A4d is possible
but I only play 0.5/1

He showed KdQd
I was sooo shocked..

On September 21 2007 02:19 wobbly_au wrote: He showed KdQd I was sooo shocked..

Showed after you called or showed his bluff?

I thought it looked like a busted flushdraw but I didn't wanna comment since I play 1/2 not 3/6 :D
But now that I can disguise my comment as a question I will.

Folding river here looks so bad. If you call turn, call river too.

Personally if you plan to put any more money in on the turn, just shove.

i'll flat here a lot with your hand but it is almost always to induce a bluff from any diamond hand and call a non-diamond river.

i think this line is a busted FD more often than a boat. most people will not lead into you with a boat it doesnt make sense. you'll likely bet if you have a hand anyways and you'll most likely fold an A high / garbage hand so his line just doesnt make sense unless he thinks youre overaggressive which i doubt he thinks because he probably doesnt think at all.

i think to narrow it down he has 5-4 or air, that combination 90% of the time.

if you were STUNNED to see KQdd...why did you even call on the turn lol

seriously, push or fold the turn, and i'm pretty sure i'm with yugless here about just folding the turn without a pretty good read...

BUT, this is a super important hand to make a note about, since you did see a showdown. many tight/passive players make the mistake of having a super-transparent style for their rare bluffs...and it looks like this guy's "style" of bluff is to take the betting lead away and just jam his money in oop.

i folded and he showed bluff..

I called turn because i felt this villain was incapable of bluffing due to his stats but then the shove really looked like a bluff and it confused me..

On September 21 2007 19:18 wobbly_au wrote: i folded and he showed bluff.. I called turn because i felt this villain was incapable of bluffing due to his stats

i dont get it

quiet yugless, this guy is a genius...

On September 21 2007 21:11 Yugless wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2007 19:18 wobbly_au wrote: i folded and he showed bluff.. I called turn because i felt this villain was incapable of bluffing due to his stats i dont get it

what dont u get?
i called turn for a cheap showdown.

On September 21 2007 21:25 lachlan_fearn wrote: quiet yugless, this guy is a genius...

no sir. u are the genius

On September 21 2007 19:18 wobbly_au wrote: i folded and he showed bluff.. I called turn because i felt this villain was incapable of bluffing due to his stats but then the shove really looked like a bluff and it confused me..

lololol are u serious?

You called turn because he NEVER bluffs turn... but then when u tought he was bluffing on the river you folded??

On September 23 2007 00:09 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2007 19:18 wobbly_au wrote: i folded and he showed bluff.. I called turn because i felt this villain was incapable of bluffing due to his stats but then the shove really looked like a bluff and it confused me.. lololol are u serious? You called turn because he NEVER bluffs turn... but then when u tought he was bluffing on the river you folded??

i think u misunderstood me. reread the post i replied to yug.
basically im saying there is a good chance villain leads with something i beat on the turn, but is in capable of bluffing if he misses on river. so basically i get a cheap showdown by calling turn.

hey guys, i'm BBSteeler. and i like the play actually.

easiest call ever

looks like a fold, only nits show bluffs, this was prob his 1 in a million bluff

cant beleive i said fold, i would call river.

Sep 23 2007

........

nice bump =D

On June 19 2008 14:02 sweetsteelerz wrote: hey guys, i'm BBSteeler. and i like the play actually.

no u suck o_o

WHAT THE FUCK?

so you think he leads a showdownable hand oop then turns it into a bluff on the river

well, if he's doing that he's a million times better than you

^---a lot can be learned about the game of poker from this post, but none of you can comprehend it, not even peachy, unless he time banks for 3 hours and ponders it

not

just raise the turn next time

On June 20 2008 11:07 Rekrul wrote: so you think he leads a showdownable hand oop then turns it into a bluff on the river well, if he's doing that he's a million times better than you ^---a lot can be learned about the game of poker from this post, but none of you can comprehend it, not even peachy, unless he time banks for 3 hours and ponders it

yea no kiddin im still thinking maybe you should call the FLOOR

On June 20 2008 11:07 Rekrul wrote: so you think he leads a showdownable hand oop then turns it into a bluff on the river well, if he's doing that he's a million times better than you ^---a lot can be learned about the game of poker from this post, but none of you can comprehend it, not even peachy, unless he time banks for 3 hours and ponders it

no, he tought he didnt have the balls to shove the river after semi bluffing the turn with a missed bluff... which in general is a bad way to think and one that leads to losses.

On June 20 2008 11:07 Rekrul wrote: so you think he leads a showdownable hand oop then turns it into a bluff on the river well, if he's doing that he's a million times better than you ^---a lot can be learned about the game of poker from this post, but none of you can comprehend it, not even peachy, unless he time banks for 3 hours and ponders it

settle for mediocrity, its not worth pushing to win an extra 20% of the time because your brain will blow up

how much more do you wanna make it? just tell me. can you put the clock? what is this? 120 more? how much more has he got?

CAN YOU PUT THE CLOCK? WHAT IS THIS?

LOL

lol myth

On September 20 2007 01:43 n0rthf4ce wrote: wow this is so close....i really feel like a call here is necessary simply b/c the board bricked out turn/river and that should be our plan anyways, since we played it so passively. bleh. hard to put him on a real hand tbh...

because of this i call.

maybe take a note afterwards.

bad boy of liquidpoker myth