PokerStars HU All-Star Showdown - Page 5

wait, people actually think ev means anything over 3k samples? lolz. I mean judging from that graph it's obvious that JM ran at least 20bb/100 better than his true winrate vs sauce. Seems unlikely either of those players would have more than a 6bb/100 edge on each other. Again, someone please link me to what odds these people are given for this match

from what I've recall seeing, Sauce was at -200 for the match vs JM. I think that is like 2:1 no?

EV dosn't take hands like this into account

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/990764

This is the equivalent of sauce losing an 80-20, but dosnt show up anywhere on EV programs

Hey guys, I never claimed that EV was important and relevant :D
That's why I added that last sentence in my post. I was just posting the graph because I found pretty nice of Sauce to make them public etc...

On November 05 2012 09:38 BadGoNe wrote: Hey guys, I never claimed that EV was important and relevant :D That's why I added that last sentence in my post. I was just posting the graph because I found pretty nice of Sauce to make them public etc...

then why did you quote my post "rainman running decently" and link to this thread? -.-

On November 05 2012 10:22 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2012 09:38 BadGoNe wrote: Hey guys, I never claimed that EV was important and relevant :D That's why I added that last sentence in my post. I was just posting the graph because I found pretty nice of Sauce to make them public etc... then why did you quote my post "rainman running decently" and link to this thread? -.-

Seems that we can't post graphs to link it to a HH and comment so I solved the issue my editing my post with Sauce graph.

On November 05 2012 09:28 TalentedTom wrote: EV dosn't take hands like this into account http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/990764 This is the equivalent of sauce losing an 80-20, but dosnt show up anywhere on EV programs

Not at all, Jungleman isnt always firing blank rivers and he is also overbetting this isnt like losing an 80/20 but its true that EV is just a tiny bit of variance, its easier to notice who played better by hands alone, it seems that Jungleman exploited Sauce more than the otherway around.

thx for posting...

i wonder why they both seem to make slight river overbets when 3 barreling in single raised pots even when they don't have very many bluffs in their range.

also im curious what the reason is for the deviations in c-bet and turn barrel sizes in 3bet pots. all my sizings are uniform and only change based on stack size. must be something im missing.

On November 05 2012 07:12 Stroggoz wrote: wait, people actually think ev means anything over 3k samples? lolz. I mean judging from that graph it's obvious that JM ran at least 20bb/100 better than his true winrate vs sauce. Seems unlikely either of those players would have more than a 6bb/100 edge on each other. Again, someone please link me to what odds these people are given for this match

jungleman ran under ev not over

On November 06 2012 20:26 Highcard wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2012 07:12 Stroggoz wrote: wait, people actually think ev means anything over 3k samples? lolz. I mean judging from that graph it's obvious that JM ran at least 20bb/100 better than his true winrate vs sauce. Seems unlikely either of those players would have more than a 6bb/100 edge on each other. Again, someone please link me to what odds these people are given for this match jungleman ran under ev not over

don't think that contradicts what he said

On November 05 2012 19:18 MARSHALL28 wrote: thx for posting... i wonder why they both seem to make slight river overbets when 3 barreling in single raised pots even when they don't have very many bluffs in their range. also im curious what the reason is for the deviations in c-bet and turn barrel sizes in 3bet pots. all my sizings are uniform and only change based on stack size. must be something im missing.

maybe they randomize sizing separate from other factors (aside from preserving/maximizing EV across sizings) in order to make their enemy feel that they are more unpredictable than if they just used uniform bet sizes

whether that's there reason or not, it sounds like a good idea vs tough opponents to me.

What the fucking fuck. Why didn't I notice this thread before? Fucking shit goddamnit.

On November 06 2012 20:26 Highcard wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2012 07:12 Stroggoz wrote: wait, people actually think ev means anything over 3k samples? lolz. I mean judging from that graph it's obvious that JM ran at least 20bb/100 better than his true winrate vs sauce. Seems unlikely either of those players would have more than a 6bb/100 edge on each other. Again, someone please link me to what odds these people are given for this match jungleman ran under ev not over

yeah i know, my point is that jungleman obviously ran good during the match, cause there's no way his real winrate is 26bb/100 lol.

oh yes I see what you said now ^^

Sauce said a long time ago he usually gets pwned the first 5k hands of his tough HU matches if they never played before. Then he takes all the hands offline and figures out what best to do for future HU matches, resulting in robusto.

I guess he would need a rematch but honestly I think jungleman will always win longterm

On November 07 2012 13:29 Highcard wrote: oh yes I see what you said now ^^ Sauce said a long time ago he usually gets pwned the first 5k hands of his tough HU matches if they never played before. Then he takes all the hands offline and figures out what best to do for future HU matches, resulting in robusto. I guess he would need a rematch but honestly I think jungleman will always win longterm

its not like its the first time sauce plays vs jungle.