100nl, 3b pot with KK

About 20 hands into session, villain is a random supernova running 35/30/20 over this small sample. Relevant history is that two hands prior I made my first 3bet with KK on the button when he opened HJ, he 4bet small and I called IP. He had AQs and stacked off on Qxx.

Two hands later we get this spot.

Submitted by : nootropics

***** Hand History for Game 79096998570 ***** Poker Stars
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, April 18, 11:55:40 ET 2012
Table Theemin III Real Money
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: jacki24 $154.01 USD
Seat 2: bustafc $224.89 USD
Seat 3: Zluka2010 $100.00 USD
Seat 4: juanra016 $105.90 USD
Seat 5: Hero $214.40 USD
juanra016 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$1.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
jacki24 folds
bustafc folds
Zluka2010 raises [$3.00 USD]
juanra016 folds
Hero raises [$10.00 USD]
Zluka2010 calls [$8.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $21.50)

   
Hero bets [$14.00 USD]
Zluka2010 calls [$14.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $49.50)

   
Hero bets [$18.00 USD]
Zluka2010 calls [$18.00 USD]

River (Pot : $85.50)

   

i don't see what you can do besides jam river, he has 2/3 pot left and he has so many bluffcatchers, it's really unlikely he'd flat 2p/set on that flop and pretty unlikely he'd just flat Qx on turn given the potsize.

i probably either check-raise flop or just lead bigger like 17-19.

vs good players I would often c/f AA here because it smacks their range so hard, but KK has better equity so I am planning to b/c flop.

pretty sure this is a mistake fwiw, i realize you might not be crushing their range and it's kind of a volatile spot but if you stove AA vs reasonable ranges it should be profitable to get it in vs almost everyone.

You know the best thing about 3-bet pots 100bb deep? You almost never need to worry about bad beats and potential draws.

Still I'd pot, check-shove, or just shove this flop.

On April 19 2012 04:14 bigredhoss wrote: i don't see what you can do besides jam river, he has 2/3 pot left and he has so many bluffcatchers, it's really unlikely he'd flat 2p/set on that flop and pretty unlikely he'd just flat Qx on turn given the potsize. i probably either check-raise flop or just lead bigger like 17-19. Show nested quote + vs good players I would often c/f AA here because it smacks their range so hard, but KK has better equity so I am planning to b/c flop. pretty sure this is a mistake fwiw, i realize you might not be crushing their range and it's kind of a volatile spot but if you stove AA vs reasonable ranges it should be profitable to get it in vs almost everyone.

yup

uhhh EVERYTHING missed, people hate folding when everything mises

all sets/2pairs would prob raise the flop, pretty easy to just jam

i think preflop, i would personally make it 12 although this isn't that big of a deal

On April 19 2012 12:03 mnj wrote: all sets/2pairs would prob raise the flop, pretty easy to just jam i think preflop, i would personally make it 12 although this isn't that big of a deal

actually a preety huge deal when it comes to implied odds also people are more likley to call a smaller 3b vs more likley to 4b / fold vs a larger one

so do you like making it 12 to protect your hand, or do you like making it 10 and leaving them with a weaker range?

obv if they are more inclined to call, 3betting a merged range is a good adjustment but was curious to your opinion at these stakes (this is prob me default, since i like playing pots/getting action in general)

(i imagine your answer is something like who cares, just adjust, which makes me in turn want to just delete this post )

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On April 19 2012 13:56 Rapoza wrote: I prob c/c or c/f as stnd, i belive most ppl are folding Qx- to a ship because ur line rly looks nutty due to 3bet pre and no one is folding Qx+ here if i know villain sometimes i may bet a very tiny amount to induce, like~ 1/5 pot and obv take notes.

Preety sure very few players will peel Qx on this board texture on the turn vs such a small bet - i think we can learn a lot about vilians range here via his timing, if he SNAP called the tiny 40% turn bet hes likley either drawing or trying to showdown a marginal made hand and realizes his only option is to peel -

On April 19 2012 23:53 TalentedTom wrote: Preety sure very few players will peel Qx on this board texture on the turn vs such a small bet - i think we can learn a lot about vilians range here via his timing, if he SNAP called the tiny 40% turn bet hes likley either drawing or trying to showdown a marginal made hand and realizes his only option is to peel -

ty for comments...do I take it you agree with underbetting turn here?

Also did you have any comment on whether there's any difference between playing KK and AA on this flop? cheers.