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Highcard   Canada. Apr 10 2012 12:32. Posts 5428

http://lesswrong.com/lw/blr/attention_control_is_critical_for/

Want to win more money at poker? Millions? Yes, you say? Give me your first born and your attention.


Most people here have very poor attention / reading skills, which translates to their poker playing/quality/success; Poor attention control also spills over into most peoples' unproductive life.

Your first step to being more successful is: Controlling your Attention

by

reading this article:



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No cliffs, however, putting some of this into context for poker:
-playing mass tables constantly will kill your future intelligent growth in poker
-playing when distracted can result in the same thing as mass tabling
-playing when tired/unfocus can lead to some stroke of genius/creative moments
-playing when fully focused and gathering all the information you can at the tables will increase your "poker IQ" and actual brain growth
-mixing in sessions of deep focus and sessions with less focus under conditions such as 'tiredness' could bring you new strategy concepts
-you are consciously and directly handicapping your intelligence by not reading the article.

Personal
-I always have found my best months come from alternating my sessions between afternoon focused sessions and late night sessions where I am more tired. Playing 1-2 sessions each day in this fashion has increased my winrate.

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I do not want your first born
Weak attempt at grabbing your attention

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I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the timeLast edit: 10/04/2012 12:59

Highcard   Canada. Apr 10 2012 12:49. Posts 5428

Additionally, here is light reading for why mixing in focus with less focus throughout your day can achieve greater knowledge and understanding

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/201...-are-great-for-creativity/#more-95756


Why Being Sleepy and Drunk Are Great for Creativity

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I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the timeLast edit: 10/04/2012 12:50

mnj   United States. Apr 10 2012 13:26. Posts 3848

interesting reads, thanks for sharing


EvilSky    Czech Republic. Apr 10 2012 14:56. Posts 8918

I dont know about test and shit but as far as poker is concerned playing tired/unfocused will just lose you a lot of money.


Highcard   Canada. Apr 10 2012 15:21. Posts 5428

I don't think the concept is the same as saying, get wasted and play poker or read a novel while playing poker. It's more about the idea that you shouldn't feel "I am not in my optimal state" so I shouldn't play poker today. You may be able to find insights when you aren't at your peak focus/energy/alertness when playing poker. That is why my weak-causation associations to 'playing late at night' might be a good example.

Even talking to longple, he agreed with me that sometimes late at night he feels he gets some pretty interesting concepts flying around his head, as do I.

Another thing to consider is, if you are really tired/drunk/high or whatever, those might be halfway decent times to sit down and think about poker concepts, or sessions you had recently. You may make some striking revelations when otherwise you would expect your time would be wasted on poker and instead just laze around/play xbox.

I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time 

Stim_Abuser   United States. Apr 10 2012 15:46. Posts 7499


  On April 10 2012 13:56 EvilSky wrote:
I dont know about test and shit but as far as poker is concerned playing tired/unfocused will just lose you a lot of money.



nonono.


Play tired, unfocused, drunk, on the phone. It'll give you strokes of genius.

We need to spread this article asap.

Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete 

Ket    United Kingdom. Apr 10 2012 19:40. Posts 8665

tl;dr
edit: was a hilarious joke bc the article is about paying more attention. great article tho and good op

 Last edit: 15/04/2012 10:46

PoorUser    United States. Apr 11 2012 01:24. Posts 7472

these are the concepts we should have been spreading 6-7 years ago on forums/teaching sites

fck

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YoMeR   United States. Apr 11 2012 04:08. Posts 12438

lol the responses in this thread are awesome...

more tired drunk people plz ;o

eZ Life. 

julep   Australia. Apr 11 2012 04:44. Posts 1274

more brain teasers pls


longple    Sweden. Apr 11 2012 11:36. Posts 4472

lol

seriously though, i really feel and i know other nosebleedssickos saying the same thing includeing viktor blom that playing nighttime is best.

i personally play my absolute A game while stoned + tired at 4 ish AM, i dont lack dicipline and everything comes more easliy

its when i really try to do a "good, serious session" that i play bad, and thats usually during daytime when ive worked out and ate a good meal etc, then playing feels more forced and i lack dicipline more

and its not a joke : P but i dunno if thats a good tip tho, to get tired and wasted before playing hehe

but atleast it works for me, but with or without weed i still feel i play my best at night, thats when i can sit from 11PM to 7AM, daytime i tend to often get alittle anoyed at small things such as regs not wanting to start tables/tables breaks and i force myself to get in 2 hours so that i can do something else with good conscience

obv i play good at daytime too aswell as very bad when tired sometimes, but in general this is how grind works best for me, especially playing HU

 Last edit: 11/04/2012 11:45

tomson    Poland. Apr 11 2012 13:12. Posts 1982

Seems like the first article relates nicely to the effectiveness of 'deliberate pratice', while the second one to combating 'functional fixedness'.

Peace of mind cant be bought. 

tomson    Poland. Apr 11 2012 13:24. Posts 1982


  On April 11 2012 10:36 longple wrote:
seriously though, i really feel and i know other nosebleedssickos saying the same thing includeing viktor blom that playing nighttime is best.

i personally play my absolute A game while stoned + tired at 4 ish AM, i dont lack dicipline and everything comes more easliy

its when i really try to do a "good, serious session" that i play bad, and thats usually during daytime when ive worked out and ate a good meal etc, then playing feels more forced and i lack dicipline more


The things said in the second article would merely suggest that you're a lot more creative when you're tired (and maybe stoned). But being creative is only a part of playing your A game (although I would guess creative plays are something that certainly stands out in your mind and might make you think you're playing better than you are in reality). Apart from that there is no reason to glorify tiredness as it almost certainly has a detrimental effect on your results.

Peace of mind cant be bought. 

YoMeR   United States. Apr 11 2012 13:36. Posts 12438

^ this.

whenever i start getting a good steady solid schedule, eat right, work out regularly, etc etc I start playing better, longer sessions, tilt less... I mean pretty much everything.

I can see maybe switch it up and play stoned every now and then just to get some inspiration or something to maybe get some more creative concepts flying around in the head...but it is exactly what it is...creative concepts and in practice it's really bad/can't be applied in 99% of situations. I remember on many occasions while playing stoned coming up with a sick line having it work or not didn't matter...thinking about it the day after while sober i realize it's pretty retarded or a far stretch if it was good at all.

eZ Life. 

Mariuslol   Norway. Apr 11 2012 13:56. Posts 4742

I've always been jealous at ppl smoking weed n stuff. Really thinking about starting lol, but feels a bit scary. Being all up north in Norway and stuff lol.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 11 2012 15:47. Posts 9634

Playing focused while high is something extremely hard tbh, you d have to make it a part of your lifestyle to feel comfortable thats not really an alternative


Stim_Abuser   United States. Apr 11 2012 16:24. Posts 7499


  On April 11 2012 10:36 longple wrote:
lol

seriously though, i really feel and i know other nosebleedssickos saying the same thing includeing viktor blom that playing nighttime is best.

i personally play my absolute A game while stoned + tired at 4 ish AM, i dont lack dicipline and everything comes more easliy

its when i really try to do a "good, serious session" that i play bad, and thats usually during daytime when ive worked out and ate a good meal etc, then playing feels more forced and i lack dicipline more

and its not a joke : P but i dunno if thats a good tip tho, to get tired and wasted before playing hehe

but atleast it works for me, but with or without weed i still feel i play my best at night, thats when i can sit from 11PM to 7AM, daytime i tend to often get alittle anoyed at small things such as regs not wanting to start tables/tables breaks and i force myself to get in 2 hours so that i can do something else with good conscience

obv i play good at daytime too aswell as very bad when tired sometimes, but in general this is how grind works best for me, especially playing HU



This probably has a lot more to do with you having already played for awhile and are getting " in the zone. " You're developing very good reads and are really getting a feel for the other players. Probably has nothing to do with being tired.

Most competitive things have a feeling of being in the zone after medium periods of playing. It's due to being extremely comfortable with your surroundings and you've gotten to feel of things and developed a rhythm.

So if for example you had an afternoon nap, then fired up a long session at night and weren't tired you'd probably play even better.

The reason you probably play worse in the morning is because you're still getting warmed up/comfortable. Same thing as say when you step on a basketball court. The first 20 minutes or so you're missing all your shots and still trying to get in the grove of things. 45 minutes in though you're hitting your shots and making good passes etc.

Same thing with poker, except poker takes much longer to get in the zone since it's a mental and not physical.

Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete 

Stim_Abuser   United States. Apr 11 2012 16:26. Posts 7499

So yea playing tired is never good for your game, but several hours into your session being extremely comfortable with good reads and a good feel for how people are playing would be.

Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete 

nerdonpoker   . Apr 23 2012 08:53. Posts 414

I was gonna read this article but then i saw a butterfly. Adhd fail.


 



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