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Hand #1 villain is a 24/17 weak player who hasn't threebet once in 100 hands. Pot is 103 on the river and he has 86 behind. If we have villain pegged as a kind of weak player is there any argument for c/f or do we just stick it in?

Submitted by : nootropics

***** Hand History for Game 78563423909 ***** Poker Stars
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, April 08, 10:02:22 ET 2012
Table Ciurlionis Real Money
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Hero $159.39 USD
Seat 2: tiger1mvc $159.21 USD
Seat 3: l HirrO l $113.74 USD
Seat 4: MixmcFly $137.12 USD
Seat 6: KKnDAlu $100.00 USD
Hero posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
tiger1mvc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
l HirrO l folds
MixmcFly raises [$3.00 USD]
KKnDAlu folds
Hero raises [$9.50 USD]
tiger1mvc folds
MixmcFly calls [$7.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $20.50)

   
Hero bets [$13.00 USD]
MixmcFly calls [$13.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $46.50)

   
Hero bets [$28.00 USD]
MixmcFly calls [$28.00 USD]

River (Pot : $102.50)

   
Hero bets [$108.39 USD]

***** Hand History for Game 78562609357 ***** Poker Stars
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, April 08, 09:32:28 ET 2012
Table Ciurlionis Real Money
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero $121.28 USD
Seat 2: tiger1mvc $192.43 USD
Seat 3: l HirrO l $105.89 USD
Seat 5: NKrasilnikov $100.00 USD
Seat 6: bodgik77 $105.80 USD
tiger1mvc posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
l HirrO l posts big blind [$1.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
NKrasilnikov raises [$3.00 USD]
bodgik77 folds
Hero calls [$3.00 USD]
tiger1mvc folds
l HirrO l folds

Flop (Pot : $7.50)

   
NKrasilnikov bets [$5.00 USD]
Hero calls [$5.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $17.50)

   
NKrasilnikov bets [$13.00 USD]
Hero calls [$13.00 USD]

River (Pot : $43.50)

   
NKrasilnikov bets [$30.00 USD]

1) bet slightly bigger on flop/turn to make stack sizes easier on river, weak tight, so make river shove as comfortable as possible. you guys are ~150bb deep
2) snap call river, although against an aggro fish i prob just raise either flop or turn. if he's aggro as u say, and likes to 2 barrel alot, then obv tend towards turn raise, if he likes to tripple barrel alot, then call flop/turn/river. prob can 3 bet pre as well. i dont' like ATo taht much

hand 1) fine

hand 2) 3bet pre or just fold, raise flop, call river as played

In a general sense vs these types, if we raise flop and get called do we just fire turn and check back most rivers (other than A/T?) And if he threebets flop what should we be looking to do?

Often I think (too much?) about not overrepping my hand in these spots so tend to play TPTK fairly passively, which is probably something that needs to be eradicated as I move up if I want to have any balance at all on this texture.

On April 11 2012 00:22 nootropics wrote: In a general sense vs these types, if we raise flop and get called do we just fire turn and check back most rivers (other than A/T?) And if he threebets flop what should we be looking to do? Often I think (too much?) about not overrepping my hand in these spots so tend to play TPTK fairly passively, which is probably something that needs to be eradicated as I move up if I want to have any balance at all on this texture.

i have no idea what you are asking. you say "in general sense vs these types" first of all you have 2 different players a weak tight player and a lag reg, there isn't general advice to give considering you have 2 different opponents. also i don't know which hand you are talking about the first or the 2nd. and lastly the higher you go, the better i think it is, in general, to barrel tptk because i think that will actually HELP you balance your range in nut/bluff spots

hand 1 looks good.

hand 2 it is ok to just fold pre; I sometimes call or 3b but fold/3b > call.

hmm hand #1 is a little odd I think i perfer something like $30, i think he would even fold AQ on this river, everything kinda got there (good river to bluff) - I think having a balanced river shoving range here is not optimal esp vs randoms + large player pools

#2 who knows, prob call - I like a turn reraise on that particular turn, although flatting is 100% normal and standard

On April 11 2012 12:51 mnj wrote: i have no idea what you are asking. you say "in general sense vs these types" first of all you have 2 different players a weak tight player and a lag reg, there isn't general advice to give considering you have 2 different opponents. also i don't know which hand you are talking about the first or the 2nd. and lastly the higher you go, the better i think it is, in general, to barrel tptk because i think that will actually HELP you balance your range in nut/bluff spots

Yes sorry I meant the ATo hand where people were commenting about raising TPTK at some point during the hand.

and lastly the higher you go, the better i think it is, in general, to barrel tptk because i think that will actually HELP you balance your range in nut/bluff spots

cheers

On April 11 2012 14:57 TalentedTom wrote: hmm hand #1 is a little odd I think i perfer something like $30, i think he would even fold AQ on this river, everything kinda got there (good river to bluff) - I think having a balanced river shoving range here is not optimal esp vs randoms + large player pools

b/f river went through my head too but in-game I feel like it looks exploitable and get concerned people will take advantage of it (when in reality this doesn't happen enough for me not to do it).

#2 who knows, prob call - I like a turn reraise on that particular turn, although flatting is 100% normal and standard

Do you like the turn reraise on that turn because you can now get value from two draws, or is it also to balance the times you are raising draws yourself and want to fold out weak made hands now/bluff rivers when checked to? If you raise turn and get called, are you checking back most rivers?

oops i suppose i didn't see the flush got there on the river in hand 1

betting a really small amount as tom suggested seems good