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5/10 live, AK on dryest board ever

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mnj   United States. Feb 21 2012 16:18. Posts 3758

Live play @ Daytona, table is 7 handed, 4 ok-ish regs (including me), 1 crusher, 2 bad regs who aren't terrible but prob make too many loose calls pf/post flop. I also have direct position on both of them.

I open AcKs utg to $40. Crusher calls in late position, both fish call as well.

Flop: Kd7c2s (160)

I'm not that happy with the board as it's super dry, I imagine I take down the pot with a c-bet a majority of the time. I bet on the smallish side $80 hoping to get called by a random Kx or 78s and other random floats from the 2 looser fishier guys.

Crusher raises me to $200. I am instantly on tilt, scared and already mentally preparing myself to lose my first buy in of the day.

What the fuck does he have? Can he raise a hand like 89s? Did he slow play AA/KK/AK preflop? But then why raise me and push out the fish? Can I really fold AK here? Would you fold AA, KQ, QQ here? Is he raising a set on this dry board? is he not waiting for a decent turn to at least rep some bluffs? Is this TT-88 being retarded? Is this a random Ax?

Am I ever letting this hand go on the flop. If I'm calling am I just calling the turn. And am I calling the river.

Please any illuminating comments


thewh00sel    United States. Feb 21 2012 17:58. Posts 2613

I think a lot of guys will raise any decent K on the flop. I think if you call once he will likely check back anything you beat on the turn since it's not that draw heavy and you can bet the river for value. So I would call and check-fold but bet river if he checks behind.

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wobbly_au   Australia. Feb 21 2012 18:35. Posts 6232


  On February 21 2012 17:58 thewh00sel wrote:
I think a lot of guys will raise any decent K on the flop. I think if you call once he will likely check back anything you beat on the turn since it's not that draw heavy and you can bet the river for value. So I would call and check-fold but bet river if he checks behind.



Good line

The Last Laugh. 

Rekrul   United States. Feb 21 2012 19:08. Posts 3338

i doubt calling then check folding the turn vs a 'crusher' can ever be a good line

LOvEDoM says: ALL IN WAR 

Twisted    Netherlands. Feb 21 2012 19:10. Posts 10348

For 1 buyin in a live game with TPTK on this dry a board I don't think I'd ever not stack off against someone that's steamrolling the table lol.


JonnyCosMo   United States. Feb 21 2012 20:41. Posts 7169

I know what I like to raise on these flops vs weak/bad regs, and it's definitely nothing close to nuts. Call and re-eval turn, but most of the time seatbelt and hang on.

Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser 

mnj   United States. Feb 21 2012 22:43. Posts 3758

The fact that he raises and forces out the weaker players makes his play so bad with a value hand right? Does it make sense to ever raise a set in his shoes?

I call the flop raise,

Turn: 8s ($560)
I check, and villain bets out $250

does it matter to c/call and c/call river vs c/shoving the turn? can i really find a fold here?


JonnyCosMo   United States. Feb 22 2012 02:02. Posts 7169

For the future: stacks sizes are a big (maybe the biggest) part of no limit hold'em. It's basically impossible to give you sound advice without knowing how deep your sitting.

Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser 

mnj   United States. Feb 22 2012 03:00. Posts 3758

Sorry about that we are 1000 deep, 100 bb deep


NMcNasty    United States. Feb 22 2012 13:16. Posts 1545

You're decision here should be basically 100% based on reads and timing. I think an argument can be made for virtually any line, but I don't think stacking off should be the default.


TampaBayMat   United States. Feb 22 2012 13:23. Posts 249


  On February 22 2012 02:02 JonnyCosMo wrote:
For the future: stacks sizes are a big (maybe the biggest) part of no limit hold'em. It's basically impossible to give you sound advice without knowing how deep your sitting.

Merlot Fo Sho 

JonnyCosMo   United States. Feb 22 2012 15:11. Posts 7169

My rule in these spots is to seat belt until you know what kind of range this reg raises you with, then proceed accordingly the next time in these similar spots. Sounds a little stationy (and it is), but let's be honest, your read on villan's raising range at this particular moment is very uncertain and it's a type of board that is very polarizing when someone raises. Your hand is strong. I call down in this spot, make a note at what he shows you and move on. Since it's live, make sure you pay attention to these spots at showdown even when your not in the hand, there is a ton of information that can be missed if you're not paying enough attention. I feel like you need a stronger read on his range to make a fold here.

Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser 

kaboom   Canada. Feb 23 2012 00:05. Posts 261

fuck him shove

SHIP OUT 

JonnyCosMo   United States. Feb 23 2012 03:44. Posts 7169


  On February 23 2012 00:05 kaboom wrote:
fuck him shove



Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser 

mnj   United States. Feb 24 2012 00:36. Posts 3758

ty guys for all the advices, as well as your patience.

will try to post competent hand histories


 




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