5/10 live against crusher

The HPT came to daytona a week ago and made the cash games really juicy. I normally don't play this high, mainly because I'm not really comfortable playing.

Game dynamic is about 3 fish, 3 nit regs and 2 really solid regs, one who is probably the biggest winner in daytona. He is always starting 25/50 live games and plays the highest stakes available. Guy has no fear.

Luckily I have position on him and have been 3 betting him somewhat light. He hasn't 4 bet me yet, but I've 4 bet him once so far (he folded). The only hand I've shown so far is when he iso raised 2 limpers to 50, I 3bet to 150 ATo, and the EP limper shoved for 400 (i called and won with a pair of Aces). We've also been c/r alot of flops so far and just been agressivley taking down most pots. Seemed like everyone was uncomfortable on the table due to how aggressive it was getting.

One of the fish bust out, and he immediately asks to get the seat behind me so now he has position on me. He been raping me, checking alot of hands to sd, and generally making my life hell. I was ready to leave, but a huge whale sat down so I decided to stay a few more orbits.

I have in the cut off and open to 30. (now that i've already opened please ignore that this is prob a pre-flop fold)
SB who is the sick reg calls, BB who is the sick WHALE calls.

FLOP: ($90)
checked to me, I'm confused on one hand I can't really rep a strong hand by checking this board, but on the other hand it seems like such a drawy co-ordinated board that won't get THAT many folds, and I don't feel comfortable 2/3barreling against both the sick reg, and the sick whale. so i opted to check. Thoughts on this check?

TURN: ($90)
gin card, whale leads for $35. i debate wether to raise or flat, just because i think REG can easily c/r as a bluff here often. what do you think is the best move? I opted to just flat, because I didn't think there was much value in a raise because whale is already leading less than 1/2 pot which i felt meant a weak hand. villain as expected raises us here to $120. I think he leads most sets/flushes on the turn and just didn't put him on that strong of a hand. I think he has a lot of A/Q flush draw/straight draw. I also thought that my call on the button on the turn looked weak as well.

I guess given that information do you think it's just best to flat turn raise and let him bluff rivers? Once again i do think my range on the turn looks pretty weak-medium strength hands. Anyway I opted to re-raise because I felt that this made my hand look bluffier/weaker

THOUGHTS PLEASE

Bet flop every time. It doesn't matter if you get called a lot both opponents could easily have some combo of small pairs, axs, or connectors.

Just call down turn and river unless villain is really bad or stacks are shallower than expected.

stack sizes are highly relevant here

Like peachy said stack size is highly relevant here. Preflop is definitely a raise with "huge whale" on bb. It makes absolutely 0 sense for you to flat the turn after checking this flop. If stacks are not too deep, u should just pop another raise and tempt him to shove the rest. Your getting stacked either way if river bricks with how you played the hand. die howard

Preflop is super standard raise from the CO. I would also bet the flop every time,


Turn you both look super weak, fish leads out for less than half pot and you only flat call, the reg could easily be raising to take down the pot.

I hate your backraise though, it's such a strong line and pretty much a flush 100% of the time and you might even be turning it into a bluff ( you only have T high) if stacks are deep.

We're 1700 dollars deep, this makes my turn flat worse?

On February 16 2012 12:10 mnj wrote: We're 1700 dollars deep, this makes my turn flat worse?

The initial turn flat is pretty bad regardless of stack sizes, you want to get max value vs the whale especially since your hand is underrepped.

Flatting after villain reraises flop is imo a superior play to 3betting if you started with 100 BB effective stacks or more. If villain started with less than that he may think about effectively putting himself allin on this turn with a wide range of hands. As stacks get deeper most opponents just get more cautious. Stacking off here for 1700 with a marginal flush just isn't good at this level.

This point should be drilled home pretty hard: Your turn flat vs the whale is soooooo bad. I mean, it's comparable to just open folding aces preflop. Your losing unreal amounts of value in an awesome spot vs a whale to trap / let in a reg who's range won't be c/r all that often to begin with.

aside from raising pf every action looks wrong

bet flop
raise turn vs whale
flat turn vs good guys c/r if whale folds(probably shove over river bet on a brick if you arent a total nitterball and can sell AdXo)
if huge whale calls the c/r then probably just raise again