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Peligroso   Sweden. Jun 27 2007 10:34. Posts 46

Hmm, well, according to the feedback I've been recieving in my blog I seem to be limping too much. I've been playing terrible poker the last few days but when it comes to limping that hasn't changed much.

My stats are usually around 22 VPIP and 12 or so PFR. I'm normally limping with small pockets as well as small suited connectors, A7-A9 and medium high connectors in early position. On the button I normally raise with all of the above.

What am I doing terribly wrong? Appreciating all constructive feedback!

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Sheitan   Canada. Jun 27 2007 10:40. Posts 4217

Don't limp in early position with those, u'll get raised and in a tough position against a late raiser, it's even worse if u limp in then flat call a raise oop with that kind of hands, fold them EP, limp in MP if there are already limper in the hand, raise them LP.

Odds are exactly 50%, either happens or it doesnt  

KingKory   United States. Jun 27 2007 10:48. Posts 2083

22/12 is kinda fishy for lower stakes.

I never limp A7-A9 in EP -- suited or not. In fact, I never limp A7-A9 from any spot other than the SB (of course there's exceptions, like 6 limpers, and you're sitting on the button, but even then I'd only consider calling if it's suited). And you don't want to be calling pre-flop raises with A9- either.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/218871 If you're going to raise pre-flop, raise properly. Stick to the 4BB+1BB/limper rule. You should have made it $1.25 to go. And yeah, fold to the re-raise. No reason to play AJo for a 3-bet oop.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/218870 Again, you need to raise more pre-flop.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/218834 Same old story -- raise properly if you're going to raise pre-flop, fold to the re-raise. Fold to the flop min-raise. Going broke here with QJ is a bad thing.

Basically, remove Ax from your limping range completely from any position (maybe even AT in EP); learn to raise AJ+ from any position, but be ready to fold to resistance. Raise properly pre-flop. Learn to fold TPBK. Maybe try your luck at 10NL for a couple sessions.

 Last edit: 27/06/2007 10:51

Peligroso   Sweden. Jun 27 2007 10:57. Posts 46

Thanks to both of you, I'll try to think about that and try my luck on NL10 for now to get used to it.

edit: lol, 10 mins at NL10 and I've had AA twice, went AI pf both times (they pushed) against 77 and 88 and both of them hit four of a kind

 Last edit: 27/06/2007 11:10

Sheitan   Canada. Jun 27 2007 11:29. Posts 4217

You'll get sucked out a lot in your career, just get used to it and keep playing your A game.

Odds are exactly 50%, either happens or it doesnt Last edit: 27/06/2007 11:29

tae-g   United States. Jun 27 2007 14:57. Posts 1782

dont limp pocket pairs. Some people will disagree with me here, but you should be folding anything less than 77 in EP. Other than that pretty much always raise pp in 6 max. Theres almost never a reason to limp in 6 max (there are a few exceptions like when you have suited connector or something similar in the sb and the entire table limps etc). Also, if you're gonna play SCs raise them in position and dont try to play them OOP. Definitely dont limp weak aces in EP, that is begging for trouble and has terrible reverse implied odds. Stuff like QJo KJo ATo can be raised from easy position, but you probably shouldnt do it every time, its pretty marginal.

Main Idea: Limping is bad and position is of the utmost importance.

Diagonals: oh hai guise wats goin on at this table 

traxamillion   United States. Jun 27 2007 16:18. Posts 10468

I raise all pocket pairs from all positions in 6max.


Royal_Rumble   Germany. Jun 27 2007 16:53. Posts 1760

how does this sound to you? just never limp, easy as that.
That's what I do and probably many others here as well, you can do that at 6max. When you enter a pot, you raise it or you call a raiser. With this you have a huge advantage: you either are the aggressor in the hand or you have position on the aggressor. Play tight out of the blinds.
If you stick to that, it's easier to decide what kind of hands you want to play. If it's not worth raising it's not worth playing at all and it's easier to fold "trouble hands" in early position like KJo, AT etc.

And position is soooo important, cannot mention it enough.

You could simply try to tighten up, if you think that's boring, simply play more tables, then you should crush NL10 I think.

And I think all kind of pocket pairs are great hands for beginners, because they are so easy to play, sespecially low Pocket pairs, its: "set it or forget it". Sets are the shit, most of my profit comes from them. But be aware who you play them against, your opponent should have deep stacks, because you need high implied odds to make them profitable, because you are only 1 to 7,5 to hit a set on a flop.

If you raised your pocket pairs, the initial pot will be larger and it will be more easy to get all the money in, if you set it.

money won is twice as sweet as money earned. Last edit: 27/06/2007 16:54

Peligroso   Sweden. Jun 27 2007 17:18. Posts 46

Really great advices here, I'll definitely try playing after them next session. After making this thread I played about 700 hands at NL25 and made $115. The most problematic hands would be hands like TJo for instance, what do you do with them in middle and late position, do you just ignore them?


C0n5pir4cy   New Zealand. Jun 27 2007 17:37. Posts 1270

http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/ar...ccess-step-1-play-tight.html#comments

best articles on the net written by Ed Miller read all 7 steps and you will crush NL10

 Last edit: 27/06/2007 17:38

Critterer   United Kingdom. Jun 27 2007 19:20. Posts 5337

TJo u can just pitch in middle position really at nl25. id raise it on button and maybe CO dependant on table image really

LudaHid: dam.ned dam.ned dam.ned. LudaHid: dam.ned northwooden as..hole 

egood   United States. Jun 27 2007 21:49. Posts 1883

try to always raise with pp, unless the table is like all short stacks. It helps build the pot and you'll get a chance at stacking people more often with flopped sets.


legendofxix   Canada. Jun 28 2007 00:13. Posts 242

Seriously, never open limp, open raise.

No-one remains a virgin. Life fucks everyone. 

Silver_nz   New Zealand. Jun 28 2007 00:42. Posts 5647

thats a pretty nice article conspiracy


C0n5pir4cy   New Zealand. Jun 28 2007 00:50. Posts 1270


  On June 27 2007 23:42 Silver)Z( wrote:
thats a pretty nice article conspiracy



read all 7 of them and put them in 2 practice i just read a few words from the 1st one

need to read them all


 



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