A-K re-re-raised on flop

Submitted by : tilted fish

PokerStars Game #7408991062: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/12/12 - 05:54:00 (ET)
Table 'Nemesis' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PretenderTUW ($64.75 in chips)
Seat 3: jacksonlong ($40.20 in chips)
Seat 5: BlueCourt ($92.05 in chips)
Seat 6: tilted fish ($50 in chips)
Seat 7: Gix3r ($33.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Monolake ($98.75 in chips)
jacksonlong: posts small blind $0.25
Jakomo: is sitting out
Jakomo leaves the table
BlueCourt: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to tilted fish
tilted fish: raises $1.50 to $2
Gix3r: folds
Monolake: folds
Gix3r is sitting out
Gix3r leaves the table
PretenderTUW: calls $2
jacksonlong: folds
BlueCourt: folds

Flop (Pot : $4.75)

   
jacksonlong leaves the table
tilted fish: bets $3
PretenderTUW: raises $4 to $7
tilted fish: raises $10 to $17
PretenderTUW: raises $45.75 to $62.75 and is all-in
tilted fish: folds
PretenderTUW collected $36.85 from pot

Summary
Total pot $38.75 | Rake $1.90
Board  
Seat 1: PretenderTUW (button) collected ($36.85)
Seat 3: jacksonlong (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: BlueCourt (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: tilted fish folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Gix3r folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Monolake folded before Flop (didn't bet)

easy fold, he's a LPer and you have shown strength, he obviously has you beat

ez fold

yup muck asap

ez fold

if there wasn't a flush draw it would be an even easier fold

On December 12 2006 04:04 Twisted wrote: ez fold if there wasn't a flush draw it would be an even easier fold

yea i figured.... thats what i wanted to know, thanks

wtf is a wet board

3-betting the flop btw is a HORRIBLE horrible play. calling and checkraising or frontbetting the turn is a viable option depending on your read of his handstrength and what range you think he's doing with this (inevitably there are plenty of flushdraws in his range on this board that he'd correctly push on the flop), so you can usually play your hand better against his range by just flatting the flop and playing 1-card-to-come poker.

i agree with pokerintheface

vs alot of players ill even just fold that AK to the flop raise

flat raise, get rnr rnr nut boat 4tw.

On December 12 2006 10:13 4gotmepass wrote: flat raise, get rnr rnr nut boat 4tw.

what
was this supposed to be funny?

fold u have to exactly put him on KQ to have an edge.
the rest is either a coin flip or ur really really behind

On December 12 2006 10:24 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2006 10:13 4gotmepass wrote:. what was this supposed to be funny?

maybe

muck asap
PRETEND it never happen

nonono do NOT 3bet this flop because he will push w/ anything that has you beat and of course any draw so you gain no information, and you spewed away money. fold immediately on the flop, because if you are not already crushed you are still no definite favorite.

On December 12 2006 07:55 Pokerintheface wrote: wtf is a wet board 3-betting the flop btw is a HORRIBLE horrible play. calling and checkraising or frontbetting the turn is a viable option depending on your read of his handstrength and what range you think he's doing with this (inevitably there are plenty of flushdraws in his range on this board that he'd correctly push on the flop), so you can usually play your hand better against his range by just flatting the flop and playing 1-card-to-come poker.

This makes sense actually, but check-raising the turn? if the pot is $18-20 on turn and he bets $15-16, if I raise him I have to push...
front bet makes sense tho, but do you fold to a push regardless of the card that comes (AorK) ?

but n0rthf4ce i just cant see how you can so easily and quickly fold to the first re-raise. there was only a call preflop to my raise, at the stage I have been playing I have seen K-Q, K-10 play it like this and check call to showdown.

you are probably right tho, 3-betting is useless here, but wouldnt you do what PITF said, call and front bet?
I dont know about that check-raise tho...

On December 12 2006 14:14 tilted fish wrote: but n0rthf4ce i just cant see how you can so easily and quickly fold to the first re-raise. there was only a call preflop to my raise, at the stage I have been playing I have seen K-Q, K-10 play it like this and check call to showdown. you are probably right tho, 3-betting is useless here, but wouldnt you do what PITF said, call and front bet? I dont know about that check-raise tho...

even KQ/K10, on the lowest side of his handrange, have 7 outs to improve...maybe maybe call and frontbet a blank (hardly ever will be blank) turn, but i really like folding immediately on the flop.

checkraising the turn is to basically get maximum value out of bluffs and draws that will 2-barrel. however, it sux4u if a draw checks behind on the turn, so against some opponents who you don't think will 2-barrel with draws you should just lead the turn for 3/4 or so and call a push obviously. it also might keep you from folding out KQ/KT hands which may fold to a checkraise after timebanking and saying "omg u have AA" 10 times in the chat.

or fold if you think that he's a horrible nit and has to have AK crushed; against a 50NL random i'd probably get stacked though if he has J9 QT KJ w/e

On December 12 2006 09:38 asdf2000 wrote: i agree with pokerintheface vs alot of players ill even just fold that AK to the flop raise

seconded

On December 12 2006 07:55 Pokerintheface wrote: wtf is a wet board 3-betting the flop btw is a HORRIBLE horrible play. calling and checkraising or frontbetting the turn is a viable option depending on your read of his handstrength and what range you think he's doing with this (inevitably there are plenty of flushdraws in his range on this board that he'd correctly push on the flop), so you can usually play your hand better against his range by just flatting the flop and playing 1-card-to-come poker.

Wet board=board with lots of draws(I guess)
He didn't "3-bet" the flop.
Callin and front bettin turn is even more expensive than EVEN 3 bettin that flop
3betting the flop would cost $21
Callin the raise on the flop->Pot=$20 on the turn->Any reasonable amout of bettin would cost total 7(on the flop)+min(15 on the turn)=$22

lots of respect to you PITF but please
THINK BEFORE YOU TALK!!
Don't go around insault people and just say some random stuff.







As long as the hand goes IMO U have basically 3 options


3: Reraise the flop. His raise is kinda one of those "call me" type of raises so reraising him wouldt be a bad idea since its cheap and if he has anykinda monster he would defenetly correctly push the flop if he feels any strength from your side since the board is really getting ugly. Also raising to $14 would cross the point that you have a big hand so you could save 6BB there.

2:Flat callin the flop: This is also a good one since if he has like a set there are many cards that would kill his action same goes for str8. If he has a flush draw and he checks behind on the turn then his hand is transparent to you. If blank falls or scare card hits and he is still mad aggressive or suspecisly weak fold the turn. If you think there are true reasons for you to think that u have the best hand on the turn and he bet out his FD or KQ or something the you can check-push all-in(This is the most tricky option basically cause you have to kinda read his hand only by his timing and betting pattern on the turn. But this is also the best option since you are lossin the min without getting pushed around)

1:Fold the flop! Yes, why not? To hell with it. You are either racing really close or you are way behind even if he is doin this shit with KT,QJ or shits like that then you folded the best hand, BIG DEAL! You can find WAY better spot for your money than this so there is NOTHING wrong with getting bluffed out of a $10 pot with only 10BB commited.