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Handnr: 924858
Submitted by : tutz


PokerStars Game #69933449139: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2011/11/02 20:30:17 BRT [2011/11/02 18:30:17 ET]
Table Atropos VII 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($57.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Greekpower13 ($26.10 in chips)
Seat 3: Ifdiby ($52 in chips)
Seat 4: xrider12 ($128.35 in chips)
Seat 5: puzan_a ($25.70 in chips)
Seat 6: crazy victor ($56.95 in chips)
xrider12: posts small blind $0.25
puzan_a: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to Hero Tc9c
crazy victor: folds
Hero: raises $1 to $1.50
Greekpower13: folds
Ifdiby: calls $1.50
xrider12: folds
puzan_a: folds

Flop (Pot : $3.75)

   Qh8c4c
Hero: bets $2.50
Ifdiby: calls $2.50

Turn (Pot : $8.75)

   Qh8c4c3s
Hero: bets $6
Ifdiby: calls $6

River (Pot : $20.75)

   Qh8c4c3s5c
Hero: bets $11
Ifdiby: raises $31 to $42 and is all-in
Hero:

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tutz   Brasil. Nov 02 2011 17:39. Posts 2022

guy was acting really really fast like insta call call shove
he is 21/17/7

what you do?


SleepyHead   . Nov 02 2011 17:47. Posts 683

I would bomb the river way harder but I guess you have to just fold

How do you have a full house wtf - traxamillion 

barbieman   Sweden. Nov 02 2011 17:57. Posts 2119

I would bet bigger on every street, river is a fold.


traxamillion   United States. Nov 02 2011 18:35. Posts 6457

snap


tutz   Brasil. Nov 02 2011 18:36. Posts 2022


  On November 02 2011 18:35 traxamillion wrote:
snap



snap.... call?


TalentedTom    Canada. Nov 02 2011 18:43. Posts 19443

prob snap call ;-0

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

traxamillion   United States. Nov 02 2011 18:46. Posts 6457

yea call


EvilSky    Czech Republic. Nov 02 2011 18:58. Posts 8858

why did you bet so weakly on the river? if you did it to induce you should call, but its not a good sizing otherwise, just go bigger.


tutz   Brasil. Nov 02 2011 19:07. Posts 2022


  On November 02 2011 18:58 EvilSky wrote:
why did you bet so weakly on the river? if you did it to induce you should call, but its not a good sizing otherwise, just go bigger.



I did it small cause that's the amount I think a hand like AQ and KQ would call, if I bet bigger I think most of those one pair type hands will fold a large % of the time. what u think about this?


tutz   Brasil. Nov 02 2011 19:08. Posts 2022


  On November 02 2011 18:43 TalentedTom wrote:
prob snap call ;-0



hey tom do u mind explaining your thought process pls


wobbly_au   Australia. Nov 02 2011 19:21. Posts 6232

easiest snap call ever.

The Last Laugh. 

tooker   . Nov 02 2011 19:27. Posts 439

are people actually considering folding this?


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Nov 02 2011 19:34. Posts 7394


  On November 02 2011 19:07 tutz wrote:
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I did it small cause that's the amount I think a hand like AQ and KQ would call, if I bet bigger I think most of those one pair type hands will fold a large % of the time. what u think about this?



are you always 3-barreling this board and betting the river big with any hand that can't beat Qx then?

Truck-Crash Life 

tutz   Brasil. Nov 02 2011 19:44. Posts 2022


  On November 02 2011 19:34 bigredhoss wrote:
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are you always 3-barreling this board and betting the river big with any hand that can't beat Qx then?



not always because people are stupid at the stakes that I play so I dont need to balance my range like that, yet... but lets say I have AK here and the river bricks, I will probably bet $15

 Last edit: 02/11/2011 19:48

EvilSky    Czech Republic. Nov 02 2011 19:45. Posts 8858


  On November 02 2011 19:07 tutz wrote:
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I did it small cause that's the amount I think a hand like AQ and KQ would call, if I bet bigger I think most of those one pair type hands will fold a large % of the time. what u think about this?


I dont really think it matters as much, even if they fold a bit more to a bigger bet you are getting more money the times they do call so it balances it out. I dont hate this in a vacuum but you gotta be aware that it looks like a value hand that is not a flush so you might get bluffed. In general though if we are talking about a balanced strategy you want to bet bigger in these spots to put more pressure on villians.


SPEWTARD   Peru. Nov 02 2011 19:49. Posts 4204

lol foldin a flush for 100bb

HUEAHEUHAEUAHEUAHEAUEAHEUHA 

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Nov 02 2011 20:07. Posts 7394


  On November 02 2011 19:44 tutz wrote:
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not always because people are stupid at the stakes that I play so I dont need to balance my range like that, yet... but lets say I have AK here and the river bricks, I will probably bet $15



it's not an issue of balancing, if you think that villain will fold all Qx hands on the river to a $15 bet then obviously you should be betting $15 every single time you can't beat Qx...

my point isn't that you should always barrel here, my point is that i think you're probably wrong about assuming he folds a queen to $15 so often. i mean, him folding AQ for $15 would be pretty absurd since KQ is usually a super-standard v-bet from your position.

Truck-Crash LifeLast edit: 02/11/2011 20:11

tutz   Brasil. Nov 02 2011 20:13. Posts 2022

I really think calling with AQ there from his point of view wishing I show up with KQ there is just wishful thinking, just as much as it its betting $15 with KQ there expecting to get called by worse by a reg


SuFF   Poland. Nov 02 2011 20:42. Posts 434

seems like a fold to me, guy would have to turn sth good into a bluf which is not likely at nl50


Baalim   Mexico. Nov 02 2011 21:07. Posts 28743

rofl snap call all-in, 100bb non-paired board you underbet the river inducing this shit wtf


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Nov 02 2011 21:58. Posts 2884


  On November 02 2011 17:39 tutz wrote:
guy was acting really really fast like insta call call shove
he is 21/17/7

what you do?



just a hint on timing tells, when someone makes a snap decision on river it often means they were planning to make that river decision on the turn, if you did a certain action on river. it doesn't neccesarily mean they have a strong hand.

i drink ur milkshake 

barbieman   Sweden. Nov 02 2011 23:02. Posts 2119

At least when I played nl50, can't remember many players turning their made hands into bluffs or people raising even nfds on flop. we have the worst flush out there. Which is why I say fold. Some tendencies would be nice to know, just saying he plays 21/17/7 isn't of much, if any, help.


TilICollapse   United States. Nov 02 2011 23:23. Posts 217

Gotta call because of your sizing, but IMO you could find a fold if you bet larger.


Jhyun88   United States. Nov 02 2011 23:44. Posts 1383

Well he probably posted this b/c he lost the hand but you can't fold this for 100bb >.>


Baalim   Mexico. Nov 03 2011 00:04. Posts 28743


  On November 02 2011 23:02 barbieman wrote:
At least when I played nl50, can't remember many players turning their made hands into bluffs or people raising even nfds on flop. we have the worst flush out there. Which is why I say fold. Some tendencies would be nice to know, just saying he plays 21/17/7 isn't of much, if any, help.




meaningless, this is an easy call


tutz   Brasil. Nov 03 2011 00:15. Posts 2022

I didnt lose the hand, I called and villain showed JJ. I timebanked to my last second tough... I think his play was really good.


traxamillion   United States. Nov 03 2011 00:15. Posts 6457


  On November 02 2011 23:23 TilICollapse wrote:
Gotta call because of your sizing, but IMO you could find a fold if you bet larger.



lol no.

pot it then fold getting 5:1?

rofl


rememp   Canada. Nov 03 2011 00:35. Posts 480


  On November 03 2011 00:15 traxamillion wrote:
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lol no.

pot it then fold getting 5:1?

rofl


If this is the case then betting 11 like Tutz did is like always better than betting 15 right?


Baalim   Mexico. Nov 03 2011 01:26. Posts 28743


  On November 03 2011 00:35 rememp wrote:
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If this is the case then betting 11 like Tutz did is like always better than betting 15 right?



no, you lose value then, underbetting this river and not knowing what to do with a flush is just terrible which means you dont understand bet sizing


 


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