guy was acting really really fast like insta call call shove
he is 21/17/7

what you do?

I would bomb the river way harder but I guess you have to just fold

I would bet bigger on every street, river is a fold.

snap

On November 02 2011 18:35 traxamillion wrote: snap

snap.... call?

prob snap call ;-0

yea call

why did you bet so weakly on the river? if you did it to induce you should call, but its not a good sizing otherwise, just go bigger.

On November 02 2011 18:58 EvilSky wrote: why did you bet so weakly on the river? if you did it to induce you should call, but its not a good sizing otherwise, just go bigger.

I did it small cause that's the amount I think a hand like AQ and KQ would call, if I bet bigger I think most of those one pair type hands will fold a large % of the time. what u think about this?

On November 02 2011 18:43 TalentedTom wrote: prob snap call ;-0

hey tom do u mind explaining your thought process pls

easiest snap call ever.

are people actually considering folding this?

On November 02 2011 19:07 tutz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2011 18:58 EvilSky wrote: why did you bet so weakly on the river? if you did it to induce you should call, but its not a good sizing otherwise, just go bigger. I did it small cause that's the amount I think a hand like AQ and KQ would call, if I bet bigger I think most of those one pair type hands will fold a large % of the time. what u think about this?

are you always 3-barreling this board and betting the river big with any hand that can't beat Qx then?

On November 02 2011 19:34 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2011 19:07 tutz wrote:   On November 02 2011 18:58 EvilSky wrote: why did you bet so weakly on the river? if you did it to induce you should call, but its not a good sizing otherwise, just go bigger. I did it small cause that's the amount I think a hand like AQ and KQ would call, if I bet bigger I think most of those one pair type hands will fold a large % of the time. what u think about this? are you always 3-barreling this board and betting the river big with any hand that can't beat Qx then?

not always because people are stupid at the stakes that I play so I dont need to balance my range like that, yet... but lets say I have AK here and the river bricks, I will probably bet $15

On November 02 2011 19:07 tutz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2011 18:58 EvilSky wrote: why did you bet so weakly on the river? if you did it to induce you should call, but its not a good sizing otherwise, just go bigger. I did it small cause that's the amount I think a hand like AQ and KQ would call, if I bet bigger I think most of those one pair type hands will fold a large % of the time. what u think about this?

I dont really think it matters as much, even if they fold a bit more to a bigger bet you are getting more money the times they do call so it balances it out. I dont hate this in a vacuum but you gotta be aware that it looks like a value hand that is not a flush so you might get bluffed. In general though if we are talking about a balanced strategy you want to bet bigger in these spots to put more pressure on villians.

lol foldin a flush for 100bb

On November 02 2011 19:44 tutz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2011 19:34 bigredhoss wrote:   On November 02 2011 19:07 tutz wrote:   On November 02 2011 18:58 EvilSky wrote: why did you bet so weakly on the river? if you did it to induce you should call, but its not a good sizing otherwise, just go bigger. I did it small cause that's the amount I think a hand like AQ and KQ would call, if I bet bigger I think most of those one pair type hands will fold a large % of the time. what u think about this? are you always 3-barreling this board and betting the river big with any hand that can't beat Qx then? not always because people are stupid at the stakes that I play so I dont need to balance my range like that, yet... but lets say I have AK here and the river bricks, I will probably bet $15

it's not an issue of balancing, if you think that villain will fold all Qx hands on the river to a $15 bet then obviously you should be betting $15 every single time you can't beat Qx...

my point isn't that you should always barrel here, my point is that i think you're probably wrong about assuming he folds a queen to $15 so often. i mean, him folding AQ for $15 would be pretty absurd since KQ is usually a super-standard v-bet from your position.

I really think calling with AQ there from his point of view wishing I show up with KQ there is just wishful thinking, just as much as it its betting $15 with KQ there expecting to get called by worse by a reg

seems like a fold to me, guy would have to turn sth good into a bluf which is not likely at nl50

rofl snap call all-in, 100bb non-paired board you underbet the river inducing this shit wtf

On November 02 2011 17:39 tutz wrote: guy was acting really really fast like insta call call shove he is 21/17/7 what you do?

just a hint on timing tells, when someone makes a snap decision on river it often means they were planning to make that river decision on the turn, if you did a certain action on river. it doesn't neccesarily mean they have a strong hand.

At least when I played nl50, can't remember many players turning their made hands into bluffs or people raising even nfds on flop. we have the worst flush out there. Which is why I say fold. Some tendencies would be nice to know, just saying he plays 21/17/7 isn't of much, if any, help.

Gotta call because of your sizing, but IMO you could find a fold if you bet larger.

Well he probably posted this b/c he lost the hand but you can't fold this for 100bb >.>

On November 02 2011 23:02 barbieman wrote: At least when I played nl50, can't remember many players turning their made hands into bluffs or people raising even nfds on flop. we have the worst flush out there. Which is why I say fold. Some tendencies would be nice to know, just saying he plays 21/17/7 isn't of much, if any, help.

meaningless, this is an easy call

I didnt lose the hand, I called and villain showed JJ. I timebanked to my last second tough... I think his play was really good.

On November 02 2011 23:23 TilICollapse wrote: Gotta call because of your sizing, but IMO you could find a fold if you bet larger.

lol no.

pot it then fold getting 5:1?

rofl

On November 03 2011 00:15 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2011 23:23 TilICollapse wrote: Gotta call because of your sizing, but IMO you could find a fold if you bet larger. lol no. pot it then fold getting 5:1? rofl

If this is the case then betting 11 like Tutz did is like always better than betting 15 right?

On November 03 2011 00:35 rememp wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2011 00:15 traxamillion wrote:   On November 02 2011 23:23 TilICollapse wrote: Gotta call because of your sizing, but IMO you could find a fold if you bet larger. lol no. pot it then fold getting 5:1? rofl If this is the case then betting 11 like Tutz did is like always better than betting 15 right?

no, you lose value then, underbetting this river and not knowing what to do with a flush is just terrible which means you dont understand bet sizing