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Submitted by : k2o4

Villain @ 73/7/1.8 over 267 hands . I had a lot of history with this guy, which influenced my decision a LOT. I knew him to give up to second barrells pretty often as he called the flop with almost anything, but he would make a bluff or bet with a weak hand he'd fold to a bet if I checked to him on the turn. I also knew he'd stack off with any second best hand, and considering his high VPIP I figured he could have a lot of Q's here. So instead of betting the turn which was the standard line, I figured I'd check the turn and not only get money from any Q he had, but also from bluffs and weak hands that he would fold to the second bet. Now, a CRAI on the turn or a lead out on the river might have made more sense, but at the time I felt that he still might fold very weak hands and bluffs to a bet, but he could still bet them all if checked to, and he would definitely bet/call with any Q, so I wasn't losing my chance to stack him, and lastly if he bet a weak hand he might call a CRAI with it because he would have invested a decent amount and might feel like he was somewhat committed (bad players hate folding to a CR).

With all of that in mind, is my deviation from the "standard" line correct here?

PokerStars Game #16324188999: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/03/28 - 21:57:02 (ET)
Table 'Keeler IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Ruud_1988 ($99.25 in chips)
Seat 2: R@gs ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: kartal009 ($64.55 in chips)
Seat 4: jkennedy500 ($48.30 in chips)
Seat 5: craiggerz ($87 in chips)
Seat 6: k2o4 ($100.70 in chips)
k2o4 : posts small blind $0.25
Ruud_1988: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to k2o4 8c8s
R@gs: folds
kartal009: calls $0.50
jkennedy500: calls $0.50
craiggerz: folds
k2o4 : raises $3.50 to $4
Ruud_1988: folds
kartal009: calls $3.50
jkennedy500: calls $3.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $12.50)

   Qh8d2s
k2o4 : bets $9
kartal009: calls $9
jkennedy500: folds

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $30.50)

   Qh8d2sQc
k2o4 : checks
kartal009: bets $9
k2o4 : calls $9

River (Pot : $48.50)

   Qh8d2sQcKh
k2o4 : checks
kartal009: bets $20
k2o4 : raises $58.70 to $78.70 and is all-in
kartal009: calls $22.55 and is all-in

Showdown
k2o4 : shows 8c8s (a full house, Eights full of Queens)
kartal009: shows QsKs (a full house, Queens full of Kings)
kartal009 collected $130.60 from pot

Summary
Total pot $133.60 | Rake $3
Board  Qh8d2sQcKh
Seat 1: Ruud_1988 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: R@gs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kartal009 showed QsKs and won ($130.60) with a full house, Queens full of Kings
Seat 4: jkennedy500 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: craiggerz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: k2o4 (small blind) showed 8c8s and lost with a full house, Eights full of Queens

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Repusz   Hungary. Mar 31 2008 12:40. Posts 1033

he either has the Q and goes broke on turn, or you can't really get any more value of him, and definatelly NOT by checking river when a scarecard hits and a lot of his river calling range checks behind. I raise turn and celebrate that I got him in a setup. and without seeing the results.

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lebowski   Greece. Mar 31 2008 12:52. Posts 9205

yes you can't get more raise the turn if he has a Q you'll stack him

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

 

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