when to move up in SnG stakes

hi

i was wondering what you take into account when moving up limits with SnG´s.

Is there a certain ROI figure at the current level that makes you want to move up?
(mine is 25-30 % @ 1,75 turbos 2 table, PS, ~250 tourneys)

BR management should be ok of course, im a bit cautious, it would be ~45 buyins for the next level.
Do you make rules for yourself ?

Or do you just try higher stakes from time to time to see if you´re ready ?

I nearly only play turbos 1 & 2 table.

45 buyins is fine. Your sample size isnt that big, but given your low stakes i would move up and if you do well, start 4-8 tabling its much more profitable

if you can just 4 table that would work. 8 tabling stops you from learning.

what's the next level anyway? I'd move to 1 table sngs.

btw 250 tourneys is the equivalent of nothing so don't place any value into your ROI with that sample size

i tried a bit multitabling but was not very succesful, anyway, i´ll have another shot soon at it.(need a bigger moniter, 17" is not that good)

i´ve already stared 1 Table (3.40) but if 250 tourneys dont say anything i wont give credit to the result of 25 (although i did those quite succesful).
What is a reasonable sample size on sng´s ?

next level would be 6.5 (1 or 2 table)

So what do you actually consider when to move up ?

for 3.40s i would say play 500 at a minimum, preferable1k. But really if you get above $200 or maybe $250 i would say just go for the $6.50s (single table) because there is so little difference in the caliber and style of play.

not true - 6.50s are much much tighter than the 3.40s. it would not be a surprise to see a 3 or even 4 way all in in the early stages of a 3.40, also normally you will see 3-4 people see the flop in 3.40s but rarely more than 3 on the 6.50s. I have like crap ROI on 3.40s but 6.50s is good because they play more like you would expect rather than donks calling you with complete rubbish and you not able to put them on a hand...

On September 05 2006 19:00 Verbloten wrote: not true - 6.50s are much much tighter than the 3.40s. it would not be a surprise to see a 3 or even 4 way all in in the early stages of a 3.40, also normally you will see 3-4 people see the flop in 3.40s but rarely more than 3 on the 6.50s. I have like crap ROI on 3.40s but 6.50s is good because they play more like you would expect rather than donks calling you with complete rubbish and you not able to put them on a hand...

my point was that they are not any harder to beat, they are margially tighter, but given how loose the 3.40s are, this makes them somewhat easier to beat imo

Submitted by : nastynate1985

PokerStars Game #6187951489: Tournament #31372713, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/09/06 - 01:38:09 (ET)
Table '31372713 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: stedim (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Avo1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: futuredoc85 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: swe32 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: onip401 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: kohala (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: wizeguy989 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Ophelia_pain (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: flopinmynutz (1500 in chips)
Avo1: posts small blind 10
futuredoc85: posts big blind 20

Holecards
Dealt to futuredoc85
swe32: raises 60 to 80
onip401: folds
kohala: raises 60 to 140
wizeguy989: folds
Ophelia_pain: folds
flopinmynutz: raises 60 to 200
stedim: folds
Avo1: folds
futuredoc85: folds
swe32: calls 120
kohala: calls 60

Flop (Pot : $630)

   
swe32: checks
kohala: bets 1300 and is all-in
flopinmynutz: calls 1300 and is all-in
swe32: folds

Turn (Pot : $3230)

   

River (Pot : $3230)

   

Showdown
kohala: shows (two pair, Fives and Threes)
flopinmynutz: shows (two pair, Queens and Threes)
flopinmynutz collected 3230 from pot

Summary
Total pot 3230 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: stedim (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Avo1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: futuredoc85 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: swe32 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: onip401 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kohala showed and lost with two pair, Fives and Threes
Seat 7: wizeguy989 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Ophelia_pain folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: flopinmynutz showed and won (3230) with two pair, Queens and Threes

what r u talking about man

well i agree there are donks in the 3.4 have seen a couple things like that:

I am also at beginner level, so " a bit tighter " means possibly quite much at my level.

Submitted by : OnMyWay

POKERSTARS GAME #6184142840: TOURNAMENT #31353912, $3.00+$0.40 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL II (15/30) - 2006/09/05 - 20:35:54 (ET)
Table '31353912 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: big mr dh (2640 in chips)
Seat 2: DAWGS&CARDS (1700 in chips)
Seat 3: skinlib (1310 in chips)
Seat 4: Sammie66 (1400 in chips)
Seat 5: OnMyWay (2210 in chips)
Seat 6: Capbill (1440 in chips)
Seat 7: wfreitaspq (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: sven1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: larmt (1160 in chips)
Seat 10: DDEVAN (160 in chips)
wfreitaspq: posts small blind 15
sven1: posts big blind 30

Holecards
Dealt to OnMyWay
larmt: folds
DDEVAN: raises 130 to 160 and is all-in
big mr dh: folds
DAWGS&CARDS: folds
skinlib: calls 160
Sammie66: folds
OnMyWay: raises 590 to 750
Capbill: calls 750
wfreitaspq: folds
sven1: folds
skinlib: calls 590

Flop (Pot : $2455)

   
skinlib: checks
OnMyWay: bets 960
Capbill: calls 690 and is all-in
skinlib: calls 560 and is all-in

Turn (Pot : $5335)

   

River (Pot : $5335)

   

Showdown
OnMyWay: shows (a pair of Queens)
Capbill: shows (a pair of Kings)
Capbill collected 260 from side pot-2
skinlib: shows (a pair of Tens)
Capbill collected 3450 from side pot-1
DDEVAN: shows (high card King)
Capbill collected 685 from main pot

Summary
Total pot 4395 Main pot 685. Side pot-1 3450. Side pot-2 260. | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: big mr dh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: DAWGS&CARDS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: skinlib showed and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 4: Sammie66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: OnMyWay showed and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Capbill (button) showed and won (4395) with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: wfreitaspq (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: sven1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: larmt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: DDEVAN showed and lost with high card King

Go for 25%+ROI whilst 4-tabling with 500 games under your belt

what is everyone's opinion on low pocket pairs in SNG play, raise, call, at what time am i willing to coinflip? Right now early on im calling PF as long as the raise isnt too crazy and later on in the sng im raising, is this ok?

first do single table sngs
second go to 6.50, start 2 tabling, work up to 4.
if you understand the concept of sngs - which it appears you do, move up to 16s when you get 600 or so. rinse and repeat from there, 2 table, then 4, and the move up to 6 if you can. play at least 500 - even if you have the roll, before moving up.

you should be fine

On September 07 2006 16:56 CrownRoyal wrote: what is everyone's opinion on low pocket pairs in SNG play, raise, call, at what time am i willing to coinflip? Right now early on im calling PF as long as the raise isnt too crazy and later on in the sng im raising, is this ok?

if your big stacked raising is okay if your confident that your postflop play is better than the rest of the table. 14 big blinds or less in my stack im pushng 99+ and mucking the rest, unless im in the button or sb and its folded to me (push) or in the bb and its folded to the sb who limps (push). This is for like 75-150 and on. If your stack is low and your desperate push any pair obv. Start pushing like 66+ once its 5 handed if its folded to you in any position.

On September 07 2006 06:41 sOah wrote: Go for 25%+ROI whilst 4-tabling with 500 games under your belt

DONE!
well mostly 2 tabling, but i´ll go 6,5 now

how did u get the tournament stats to work with pokertracker?

just record the hands as normal , then request the tournament history and get pt to import them from ur mail account (file>import hand histories/tournament summaries)

edit: request the tournamet history from ps (requests>tournament history)

On November 20 2006 12:13 OnMyWay wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2006 06:41 sOah wrote: Go for 25%+ROI whilst 4-tabling with 500 games under your belt DONE! well mostly 2 tabling, but i´ll go 6,5 now

well done!

On November 20 2006 12:13 OnMyWay wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2006 06:41 sOah wrote: Go for 25%+ROI whilst 4-tabling with 500 games under your belt DONE! well mostly 2 tabling, but i´ll go 6,5 now

congrats, its good that you played 500, but not really necessary.
if you have the $$ move up, the goal here is a higher $pr hr, and unless you are throwing in more tables your lowering your overall profit potential

WTF IS GOING ON ???




since i started 6,50´s i am just winning !!!
Last 134 tourneys were 6,5s.

i am sure i have improved A LOT, especially postflop, identifieing weakness and stuff but is that real ?

i also got lucky sometimes but would u say i am wasting time on 6,5s and should move up again ??

I am really undecided and expect a downswing every day.