what to do in general when players do this?

*limp/calling oop
*float my cbets on a wide range of boards
*FR most are competent imo, so i guess they're pretty damn sure im opening LP with a fairly wide range.


any insight or advice is very much appreciated. i feel these are my worst leaks coz i do not know how to combat these properly. i usually take a stand and get hammered. with overpairs and minraises i don't see it much affecting my winrate. it's these medium/small pots that really bleed my profits. thanks and goodluck to all.

If people are limp calling oop you should be able to murder them postflop by stealing a ridiculous amount of pots. You have to have a feel for when you're beat but that applies to all situations in poker. The fact is if they are limp calling a ton of hands oop they are playing horribly unprofitably and you should be owning them.

One good way to adjust to people floating you a ton is to start cbetting flops slightly smaller so you can double barrel for less $. A lot of it will come down to your hand, board texture, gameflow etc, but if someone is floating you a ton then basically you need to start double barreling.

I can go in to a more advanced discussion of good spots to double barrel as there are ofc better spots than others later if this doesn't help very much.

people who limpcall oop usually have very narrowly defined ranges. so many of these types of players have a range of, say, exactly 22-88. if this is the case, then you want them to put as much money in the pot as possible with one pair before you blow them off of their hand. it's a great idea to triple barrel any favorable board texture against them (such as J44,T,A), but to make all of your bets just small enough that they're tempted to call until the river and then fold. on bad boards (any flop containing 3 cards 8 and below), just give up on hands that aren't gonna win many showdowns (like AKo with no draw), and play for pot control with your overpairs (which often means checking the flop).

people who float your cbets need to be double and triple barreled. you also need to cbet less frequently. if you are cbetting a huge % but you're only double or triple barreling a small % of the time, that's an enormous leak. when they do call a cbet from you, they better be sure that the pain is coming on the turn and the river. otherwise you'll get destroyed. alternatively, you can continue bluffing at the pot in a different way, like check/raising the turn. but either way, do not allow them to call with total air on the flop and then just give your hand away later. fight for pots viciously as long as you think they're genuinely calling with no pair no draw.

but be careful with your words here. "float" means to call with AIR, not with really weak but playable holdings. if somebody calls with bottom pair because he thinks bottom pair is the best hand, that's NOT floating.

if you are open raising a wide range in late position, then good logical players will start 3-betting you when you open raise from LP, since they know your hands are weak on average. but even a lot of winning players aren't good, logical players. so, observe your opponents. if they actually are 3betting you inordinately often, take a note of the fact that they make this adjustment and use it against them. their too-often 3betting will allow you to make value calls of their 3bets with hands like A9 and KJ (possibly). you can also call with a lot of pocket pairs, not playing for set value, but planning to win the showdown with one pair. alternatively, you can 4bet them pretty viciously as well.

for instance, suppose the player to your left is a fairly smart, good, aggressive player, and you know from your history with him that he 3bets you pretty light early on in the session. he'll tighten up if you are destroying him by running well, but he definitely starts out by 3betting light and assuming you have to give him respect in the early going. disappoint his assumption by 4betting him the first time he 3bets you. it doesn't matter what you have, just make a smallish 4bet (committing yourself to play for stacks is pretty bad here) and win the pot really often. if he messes with you again very soon after that, 4bet him again. if he folds both times, you're almost guaranteed to have shut him down completely at this point. he won't be messing with you for the rest of the session.

that's one tactic that works against certain types of players who are aggressive and decent, but who aren't psychotic and don't really like to go to all-out war. it fails miserably against tight players who just 3bet you for value with AJ and assume their hand is good enough to play for stacks. it becomes very tricky against aggressive and selectively psychotic players who will 5bet shove on you with marginal or junky holdings, just to prevent you from getting the advantage in the declaration of war.

another great post myth

very nice post myth

i'm one of those guys myth
i have a huge cbetting % but rarely double LET ALONE triple barrel omg, huge huge leak for me ;(

On January 21 2008 18:15 whamm! wrote: *limp/calling oop *float my cbets on a wide range of boards *FR most are competent imo, so i guess they're pretty damn sure im opening LP with a fairly wide range. any insight or advice is very much appreciated. i feel these are my worst leaks coz i do not know how to combat these properly. i usually take a stand and get hammered. with overpairs and minraises i don't see it much affecting my winrate. it's these medium/small pots that really bleed my profits. thanks and goodluck to all.

kill them

On January 21 2008 20:03 DooMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2008 18:15 whamm! wrote: *limp/calling oop *float my cbets on a wide range of boards *FR most are competent imo, so i guess they're pretty damn sure im opening LP with a fairly wide range. any insight or advice is very much appreciated. i feel these are my worst leaks coz i do not know how to combat these properly. i usually take a stand and get hammered. with overpairs and minraises i don't see it much affecting my winrate. it's these medium/small pots that really bleed my profits. thanks and goodluck to all. kill them

qft

great post myth

On January 21 2008 18:50 [vital]Myth wrote: it becomes very tricky against aggressive and selectively psychotic players who will 5bet shove on you with marginal or junky holdings, just to prevent you from getting the advantage in the declaration of war.

So, like 50% of higher stakes 6max regulars are psychotics, right?

Good post btw.

Another great post DooMeR.

On January 21 2008 20:28 Joe wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2008 18:50 [vital]Myth wrote: it becomes very tricky against aggressive and selectively psychotic players who will 5bet shove on you with marginal or junky holdings, just to prevent you from getting the advantage in the declaration of war. So, like 50% of higher stakes 6max regulars are psychotics, right? Good post btw.

not rly. depends whether you're viewed as a fish basically. if you sit in 5/10 games with like 20buckspin, bubbameg, and a few other regs who are comfortable getting out of line preflop, then yeah unless they view you as a good player they will be 5bet shoving over small 4bets pretty often in my experience. but at like 2/4, lol. only the most retarded outrageous tilt monkeys 5bet shove light (like AJ) or with total air, but they always do it like...the third time you 4bet them, so it's completely transparent too.

there are very very very few 2/4 6max regs who actually have any ability to get completely out of line, unless they're tilting

Didn't read myths big post, but double barrelling on decent boards rapes FR nits so hard. I don't triple barrel that much though since i assume once they call twice they have decided to stack off - but i have certainly triple barrelled a few times w/ like 9hi on decent boards when it felt right.

yeah echo you can also triple barrel on boards that obviously don't hit their range, as long as you triple barrel for like halfpot every street. it's good because they give you a lot of money before folding and they very consistently fold on the second or third barrel.

example:

15/6 player open limps middle position. you raise on the button with [X of garbage, Y of junk]. limper calls so he obviously has 66. flop J22...triple barrel halfpot works great here

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