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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 15 2011 11:28. Posts 5299
Well, i was lucky enough to get two free lessons of longples coaching, and it was a really good experience to see what goes on in the mind of someone who crushes the higher stakes. It was also just a lot of fun talking about poker. He taught me a lot about bet sizing, and how to save a bundle of money. There is one thing he taught me though, that is really high level and it stuck out from everything else. Lets analyze this play that he taught me.


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***** Hand History for Game 1580609390 ***** Boss
$5000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, July 14, 09:55:48 ET 2011
Table Julia Turbo 6 Real Money
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 2: smekt $16360.63 USD
Seat 4: longple1 $20066.25 USD
longple1 posts big blind [$50.00 USD].
smekt posts small blind [$25.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to longple1 [JsTs ]
smekt raises [$100.00 USD]
longple1 raises [$400.00 USD]
smekt calls [$325.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $825.00)

9s8c7d
longple1 bets [$425.00 USD]
smekt calls [$425.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $1,675.00)

9s8c7d2s
longple1 bets [$1525.00 USD]
smekt calls [$1525.00 USD]

River (Pot : $4,725.00)

9s8c7d2s5h
longple1 bets [$1585.00 USD]
smekt raises [$5570.00 USD]
longple1 raises [$16081.25 USD]
smekt folds
longple1 wins $15925.00 USD from main pot
longple1 wins $12096.25 USD




This is just my analysis, so i may be wrong in some parts about the opponents range and stuff.

so here we see longple 3bets JTs deep, flops the nuts and goes for value on flop and turn. All pretty standard stuff.
The really important part of this hand is the river.

When we get to the river, villain can have alot of top pair type hands like T9s. He can also get to the river with a 6 a decent amount with hands like 76s, 66 maybe.

So what happens against a good regular when we make a pretty normal bet size of $4k~ on the river?
Well we can get top pair to fold here quite alot, hands with a 6 will just flat call so we get value from them. I'd imagine most regs would not have two pair or a set here too often, again this is something i'm not too sure on.

so what happens if we bet $1500~ on the river vs a good regular?
well, with their top pair hands they could be calling alot, or they could turning top pair into a bluff here as well, as a good regular would realize that top pair is hardly ever good here vs this bet sizing. But The best thing about this bet sizing, is you are inducing a value raise from a lower straight very often. So even with this small bet on the river, you actually get more value from a straight, than if you would bet a standard size of 4k. So vs a GOOD regular who will value raise lower straights here, this play becomes very good.
There's also the added bonus when we are this deep, that we are going to put them in a very strange spot once we jam over the top here. A spot where even if they are a good reg they can make mistakes here.

TL;DR:
betting smaller can get you MORE value from almost their ENTIRE RANGE vs GOOD REGULARS. i like talking in caps when its important.

Anyways, their were a few other interesting hands we went over that i may post in upcoming blogs, and im feeling very comfortable at 1/2 after those coaching lessons. I hope to move up to 2/4 soon and my goal is to get to 3/6 by the end of the end of the year. (started at nl50 in feb)

Im also looking to start coaching nl25-nl100 regs for free once i get a pretty decent winrate at nl400. I'm an impressionable person so yeah, charity inspires charity.




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One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 15/07/2011 11:30

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 15 2011 11:32. Posts 5299

feel free to add anything if i missed something about this hand, longple.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 15 2011 12:03. Posts 5299

also just some advice for people getting longple's coaching, or anyones coaching. I think a very important part of being a student is not to go overboard with what you are taught. I mean this hand example is a very good play but it's important to remember to only do it in the spots where it is profitable. Sometimes when im experimenting and learning new stuff i start doing it too much and often in the wrong spots. So yeah, just keep the mindset of simple logic and print moniez.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jul 15 2011 12:13. Posts 15163

isn't a big part apart from getting a raise by a straight this inducing bluff raises as you basically represent a thin value bet that should fold a lot to raise?

A lot of people will just turn a ton of made hand stuff into a bluff instead of calling here

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 15 2011 13:14. Posts 5299

yeah, i believe i put that in my post. the part where i say they could be turning top pairs into bluffs

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Jhyun88   United States. Jul 15 2011 17:19. Posts 1383

I miss online poker T.T I want to play some 200nl in my undies and get coached.


nerdonpoker   . Jul 15 2011 19:06. Posts 414

I say we all chip in and throw longple some money to make more videos :-))))))


PanoRaMa   United States. Jul 15 2011 19:49. Posts 1655

Honestly longple is a much better player than I could ever hope to be and probably is a better teacher than me idk but I feel like the bulk of the concepts you described were in like sklansky's nlhe:tp or some other basic book somewhere

All I'm saying is I'm sure you could've used a better example . Grats on getting longple's coaching

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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 16 2011 02:14. Posts 8648

so you're saying we should base our betsize on our opponent's range in a given situation? o_O O: :O =O



j/k nice post

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longple    Sweden. Jul 16 2011 06:56. Posts 4472


  On July 16 2011 01:14 bigredhoss wrote:
so you're saying we should base our betsize on our opponent's range in a given situation? o_O O: :O =O



j/k nice post



this is almost true, people are to bad even at highstakes to catch up because they cant think on their own, "on the fly"

every1 plays the same way and knows the standard stuff theyve seen in every DC CR video etcetc, there is very few regs i feel the need to balance fully against.

exploiting and targetting his range instead of always betting 2/3 pot in 100% of situations will make them go ?wtf and then make a misstake cuz they dont know how to play good against stuff they havent seen before from a thinking player

but u cant go overboard obviously, but for example in this hand, i just wanted to bet a sizing and missreprecent my actual hand to what my range usually looks like coming to this river, im gonna have an overpair alot

and betting this size makes him valueraise all the hand that woulda called a biggerraise, like 2pairs and sets, and hes gonna raise/call a straight sometimes cuz hes getting such a good price and he dosnt understand whats happening

and hes gonna be more inclined to sometimes call or make his 1pair hands into a bluff, that probably would have folded to a bigger bet

but the mainpoint is that im not losing any value from his valuerange, but im gaining value sometimes from his weaker part by making him bluffraise or call cuz of the good price and hope i have some random bluff or what ever, cuz i do alot of wierdsizings im pretty sure he could talk himself into making a 2nd pair call here thinking im capable of bluffing cuz i do these wierd bluffs alot with like low straightdraws and stuff if there is a flushdraw on the board, just to fold out higher flusdraws/straightdraws if i dont think he will fold a pair anyways, im betting 1/6 pot, for example


anheway   . Jul 16 2011 16:22. Posts 338

This little gem deserves a strategy thread of it's own, not just blog entry with comments.


 



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