UFC 150: Henderson vs. Edgar II

Date: Saturday, August 11th
Preliminary Card (Facebook): 18:30 LP.net / 4:30pm PST / 7:30pm EST Facebook stream
Preliminary Card (FX): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card Time (PPV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: Prelims are Live on FX & Facebook - http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)





Main Card

Benson Henderson (16-2) vs. Frankie Edgar (14-2-1) (Lightweight Championship)
Donald Cerrone (18-4) vs. Melvin Guillard (30-10-2) (Lightweight)
Jake Shields (27-6-1) vs. Ed Herman (20-8) (Middleweight)
Yushin Okami (26-7) vs. Buddy Roberts (12-2) (Middleweight)
Justin Lawrence (4-0) vs. Max Holloway (5-1) (Featherweight)

Preliminary Card (FX)

Dennis Bermudez (8-3) vs. Tommy Hayden (8-1) (Featherweight)
Jared Hamman (13-4) vs. Michael Kuiper (11-1) (Middleweight)
Ken Stone (11-3) vs. Erik Perez (11-4) (Bantamweight)
Dustin Pague (11-6) vs. Chico Camus (11-3) (Bantamweight)

Preliminary Card (Facebook)

Nik Lentz (21-5-2) vs. Eiji Mitsuoka (18-8-2) (Featherweight)

Other

- A fight between Thiago Tavares and Dennis Hallman was expected for this card. However, on July 12 it was announced that the fight was moved to the UFC 151 card.
- Luiz Cane was expected to face Yushin Okami at this event. However, Cane was forced out of the bout with an injury and replaced by Rousimar Palhares. Palhares himself was forced out of the bout with Okami with an injury and was replaced by Buddy Roberts. Roberts was already on the card, scheduled against Chris Camozzi, while Camozzi was also forced off the card with an injury.

Henderson > Edgar
Cerrone > Guillard
Herman > Shields
Okami > Roberts
Holloway > Lawrence
Hayden > Bermudez
Kuiper > Hamman
Stone > Perez
Pague > Camus
Lentz > Mitsuoka

Pretty poor card considering its UFC 150.

On August 06 2012 03:07 soberstone wrote: Pretty poor card considering its UFC 150.

I disagree. You've got a title fight, two former challengers for the welterweight/middleweight titles, and a top tier lightweight division fight (although I think Guillard has slipped down recently and hasn't looked as good as he has in the past). There may be less amounts of big names here but the quality of a lot of the fights seems just as good as any other card imo.

Considering it's a PPV event, they should have tried a little harder to get at least 11 fights on the card. (11 or 12 fights is the norm for PPV events.)

I assume it has something to do with so many people getting injured and replaced in the last 2-3 UFC events, some people had more than 1 replacement because guys kept getting hurt left and right.

Yea I think Bendo and Edgar could've used a better co-main event to get the buys up.

Edgar is obviously a very skilled fighter who is in some wars but he's not as exciting as a lot of other "names". Bendo is cool to watch though, so that'll be fun. Cerrone will probably own the shit out of Guillard but Melvin hits hard as fuck so I guess he has that going for him.

Not sure about Shields vs Herman but it could be boring as hell. Kind of rooting for Shields and I'm hoping for a ground battle. I always enjoy watching Herman though so I'd be cool with any result.

I've got a really hard time caring about the rest of the card except maybe for Roberts (who'll get f'd up) and Kuiper vs Hamman since Hamman makes fun fights and I'd like to know if Kuiper is any good or if he's going to go 0-2/1-2/0-3 and be released. He seemed like a good prospect.

dana white i am dissapoint

I like the top three fights on this card and if they had two decent fights to round up the main card I'd be happy, but they don't. Have a bet on Shields at -170.

Cerrone's gonna tag then submit one trick pony Guillard.

I bet on Henderson the first go around even though I like Edgar because there's just so much of a natural size difference. Don't quite think that's changed.

benson henderson is the man but jesus christ dont give him the mic ever again after he wins a fight

<- Was at the card on Saturday and it was unreal, just thought I'd put that out there even though it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I didn't realize Fox and the UFC blatently covers it up when they bring out a gurney, which they did when Johnson was out for like 3 minutes.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I think Frankies going to take it. I thought he would beat Bendo in the first fight, and if it wasn't for the up kick I think he would of.

I think Frankie showed he's clearly the better wrestler. I think he's the better boxer as well. I think Bendos kicks + balance just kind of caught him off guard. He probably thought he could just catch kicks and score counters or take downs. I think he'll be able to adjust to it now though, and be the better wrestler and boxer and deal with Bendos kicks much, much better. That and avoid the up kick from jesus.

I think Cerrone beats Melvin. Melvin should crush him for awhile, but Cerrone is super tough to finish with strikes and eventually Melvin will falter to pressure and get tapped out.


Shields should be able to handily smother Herman.

The thing is that i see Bendo improving way faster than Frankie

If Bendo becomes another GSP (Locks up a division with decisions) I am going to ragequit the UFC.

It would be Jones and Silva outskilling two divisions and GSP (when he returns) and Bendo decisioning two divisions.

*Bendo has entertaining fights though.

frankie edgar is good but he's got faber's genes and is also a wrestler. ez money on bendo.
odds in ufc betting is shit though so its tough making money betting on these.

cerrone should win it as well.

couldn't care less about the other fights.

On August 06 2012 19:40 whamm! wrote: odds in ufc betting is shit though so its tough making money betting on these.

wat?

On August 06 2012 19:47 drone666 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 06 2012 19:40 whamm! wrote: odds in ufc betting is shit though so its tough making money betting on these. wat?

HE SAID THE ODDS IN UFC BETTING IS SHIT SO IT IS TOUGH TO MAKE MONEY BETTING ON THE FIGHTS IN THIS CARD.

Henderson is -185 and Edgar is +170.

just bet against asians and go all in on the blacks

On August 06 2012 20:06 RaiNKhAN wrote: just bet against asians and go all in on the blacks

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

LOL i still find my wrester formula effective but its similar

On August 06 2012 20:06 RaiNKhAN wrote: just bet against asians and go all in on the blacks

Unless it's a Korean, which then you'd want to go all in.

I tought it was common sense to never bet against a korean in anything, except poker maybe.

nvm
probably just trolling

On August 06 2012 20:47 drone666 wrote: nvm probably just trolling

^

Frankie Edgar just lose already...............again

http://www.foxsportsarizona.com/pages...e:sharepermalink:&from=sharepermalink

edgar vs bendo is such an amazing fight im so happy theres a rematch.

the first fight was really interesting. edgar won the first 9:40 by a decent margin then lost the 2nd in the last 20 seconds of the round when he was rocked. Third round was completely even. 4th round was completely even with one semi close guillotine attempt that gave it to bendo. and the 5th was a mirror image of the 2nd round where edgar slightly edged him over the first 4:40 but then lost it in the final 20 seconds.

i personally still scored it 48-47 edgar not giving the last 20 seconds of round 5 much weight, but i cant really argue with people who scored it 49-46 bendo.

taking all that happened in the first fight and trying to figure out what will happen in a rematch is really tough. overall i would say edgar "outfought" bendo for about 18-19 of the 25 minutes, but bendo landed the most significant strikes of the bout and did the most damage. a

edgar has basically reached his full potential as a mixed martial artist but does improve against opponents as time goes on and starting out the 2nd fight not rocked will help him in the early going. on the other hand bendo just gets better and better every fight and who knows just how good he will get. maybe hes topped out but maybe he will become some unstoppable monster at 155. we just dont know.

overall the fight is one of the most compelling of the year. im rooting hard for edgar because i think hes an amazing fighter and i love watching the undersized guy do well. i also love rooting against people who praise god after they win. but because the fight is so hard to break down i will not be betting on it.


other than the main event the cerrone vs guillard fight is awesome. its guaranteed to have some fireworks and probably a spectacular finish. i dont think it will be possible for the fight to end up like guillard vs jeremy stephens and think everyone should be pumped for it.


and ill be betting on okami. buddy roberts is terrible and okami should be -700 here

another thing to mention is how amazing lightweight is. edgar, bendo, melendez, pettis, nate diaz and maynard are probably all capable of beating each other. and god imagine if jose aldo moves up too. the next couple years will be very exciting times in that division.

155/170 are such incredible divisions. cant wait to see how everything plays out and who emerges as champion in each

On August 07 2012 00:40 Daut wrote: another thing to mention is how amazing lightweight is. edgar, bendo, melendez, pettis, nate diaz and maynard are probably all capable of beating each other. and god imagine if jose aldo moves up too. the next couple years will be very exciting times in that division. 155/170 are such incredible divisions. cant wait to see how everything plays out and who emerges as champion in each

Its a shame that knowing they weight less than one of my leg makes me enjoy light weight fights less

- Edgar cannot KO Henderson, nor can he submit Henderson. His best bet is a unanimous decision.
- Henderson doesn't show much damage at all, if any, when he is getting hit, while Edgar gains facial damage in every fight.
- "I think" it was Diego Sanchez who said in an interview recently: "I'm surprised Guillard took the fight with Cerrone, since Cerrone always used to smash Guillard in the gym".
- Guillard has been talking about how good his stand up has gotten recently, he thinks he's some awesome Dutch-style kickboxer now, and said it's much better than Cerrone's American style.

This guy cracks me up everytime
ROFL

I'm glad to see he is getting some media attention.

On August 06 2012 20:06 RaiNKhAN wrote: just bet against asians and go all in on the blacks

Bendo should be confusing as fuck then lol, he's a black asian :

btw that guy is amazing, all of the fighters were spot on.

hrm if u were to bet on frankie on this upcoming fight what kinda odds would u guys be looking for? the line for edgar is slowly improving (saw +150 on edgar last night and it's up to 160-170 now..) at some point there's gotta be a tipping point and i'm not educated in MMA to know the exact but if it reaches +200 it's gotta be +ev to bet on frankie...right? i'd even consider putting down some cash on +180-190 as well i dunno tho i might be fishing.

what is the line on it going the distance? The only way I see it ending earlier is via guillotine via benson but I think Edgar will be aware of that danger. Don't think either guy ko's the other. I'd like to prop Edgar in a decision if I could get like +350.. but maybe that is a ridiculous asking price

On August 07 2012 16:38 soberstone wrote: what is the line on it going the distance? The only way I see it ending earlier is via guillotine via benson but I think Edgar will be aware of that danger. Don't think either guy ko's the other. I'd like to prop Edgar in a decision if I could get like +350.. but maybe that is a ridiculous asking price

Yeah considering Edgar winning by decision is probably 95% of the times he wins this, i think +350 might be a bit high.
That said Frankie at +190/200 might be a good bet.

On August 07 2012 16:11 YoMeR wrote: hrm if u were to bet on frankie on this upcoming fight what kinda odds would u guys be looking for? the line for edgar is slowly improving (saw +150 on edgar last night and it's up to 160-170 now..) at some point there's gotta be a tipping point and i'm not educated in MMA to know the exact but if it reaches +200 it's gotta be +ev to bet on frankie...right? i'd even consider putting down some cash on +180-190 as well i dunno tho i might be fishing.

i think the line could be anywhere from even money to bendo -180. i think its likely frankie +175 has value but i would bet him for sure at +185

i hope frankie loses again. He reminds me of that faggot dominic cruz, dance around the octagon 24/7 instead of staying in the pocket and trading blows. 2nd of all, he needs to acknowledge his critics and drop down to face aldo. Yes hes doing "great" at 155 dancing/winning decisions but think of possibilities of improvement at featherweight.

And for people who think edgar won the first fight, you need to get off your MMA high horse and stop jacking off to "technical" fights. Yes i understand its part of the sport but i feel its disingenuous to the sport and fans. Overemphasizing that facet with minimal intentions to hurt/finish the fighter imo is very selfish. The diaz bros are excluded from this whole thing cuz they always bring it and if it comes to decision its usually FOTN status for me. /end rant

On August 07 2012 18:19 flounder44 wrote: i hope frankie loses again. He reminds me of that faggot dominic cruz, dance around the octagon 24/7 instead of staying in the pocket and trading blows. 2nd of all, he needs to acknowledge his critics and drop down to face aldo. Yes hes doing "great" at 155 dancing/winning decisions but think of possibilities of improvement at featherweight. And for people who think edgar won the first fight, you need to get off your MMA high horse and stop jacking off to "technical" fights. Yes i understand its part of the sport but i feel its disingenuous to the sport and fans. Overemphasizing that facet with minimal intentions to hurt/finish the fighter imo is very selfish. The diaz bros are excluded from this whole thing cuz they always bring it and if it comes to decision its usually FOTN status for me. /end rant

Sounds like a ton of irrational hate towards a guy who convincingly beat BJ Penn at 155 where Penn was supposed to be unstoppable. Then did it more convincingly the next go around. Then he got absolutely smashed throughout the entire first round against a much stronger, bigger guy in Maynard only to salvage a draw in a really good fight no matter what the f you're looking for. Oh and then he got smashed again in the first round of the rematch only to knock Maynard the fuck out like ten minutes later??? I was rooting for Maynard pretty hard in those fights...and I can respect Edgar. What's up with you.

Countdown to UFC 150: Henderson vs Edgar
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UFC 150: 'Motivated' Frankie Edgar vows to execute better in Ben Henderson rematch to impress judges.
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/7/3224...frankie-edgar-title-ben-henderson-mma

I had a laugh at his first quote, as he's basically saying he cant finish the fight and is expecting it to go to decision.

i actaully have a lot of respect for edgar, the kid is almost impossible to finish, but when it comes to big fights he can only finish you with his cardio which he did once vs maynard....

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Main card

Ben Henderson (154.4) vs. Frankie Edgar (154.6)
Donald Cerrone (155) vs. Melvin Guillard (157.5)*
Jake Shields (185) vs. Ed Herman (185)
Yushin Okami (185) vs. Buddy Roberts (184)
Justin Lawrence (145) vs. Max Holloway (145)

Preliminary card

Dennis Bermudez (145) vs. Tommy Hayden (144)
Jared Hamman (184) vs. Michael Kuiper (185)
Ken Stone (135) vs. Erik Perez (135)
Dustin Pague (136) vs. Chico Camus (135)
Nik Lentz (145) vs. Eiji Mitsuoka (145)

Guillard did not make weight.

Guillard only giving up 10% of his purse to Cerrone, instead of the usual 20%. I wonder how the missed weight deductions work out.

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No rematches after UFC 150.
That's the word from UFC president Dana White, who says that no matter how close the fight between Benson Henderson and Frankie Edgar ends up, the winner will face the next top contender in the lightweight division.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/no-more-...OCJSsgISVqBthyaCbbc1KiynYjcRscewY#_=_

Having a hard time caring about this card. Pretty weak overall especially for a landmark number as mentioned. And Frankie does not deserve an immediate rematch. Even though he was not finished, he was convincingly beaten the first time. Deepest division in the sport, give somebody else a chance.

Shields very easy win over Herman (sub or dominant decision)
Cerrone over Guillard (sub obv)
Henderson over Frankie (probably decision again)

On August 10 2012 19:36 PuertoRican wrote: No rematches after UFC 150. That's the word from UFC president Dana White, who says that no matter how close the fight between Benson Henderson and Frankie Edgar ends up, the winner will face the next top contender in the lightweight division. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/no-more-...OCJSsgISVqBthyaCbbc1KiynYjcRscewY#_=_

IB a draw.

Thank god for that though and it was announced as Nate Diaz. Excellent choice.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/...iaz-fights-Henderson-vs-Edgar-winner/

Regarding Guillards missed weight:

Ariel Helwani: "I just spoke to Melvin Guillard. He said that at around noon his body stopped sweating once he reached 159 pounds. He immediately called Cerrone to tell him he would not be making weight, and he said Cerrone was cool with it. (In our interview for FUEL, Cerrone did seem cool with it.) He then called the UFC. He was told that since he took this fight on short notice he will still be eligible to win a bonus tomorrow night. Typically if you miss weight the UFC won't give you a Fight, Sub or KO of the Night bonus. Finally, he had to give the commission 10% of his purse and Cerrone another 10%. So 20% in total. Final weight: 157.5. Lightweight limit: 156."

On August 07 2012 17:37 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2012 16:11 YoMeR wrote: hrm if u were to bet on frankie on this upcoming fight what kinda odds would u guys be looking for? the line for edgar is slowly improving (saw +150 on edgar last night and it's up to 160-170 now..) at some point there's gotta be a tipping point and i'm not educated in MMA to know the exact but if it reaches +200 it's gotta be +ev to bet on frankie...right? i'd even consider putting down some cash on +180-190 as well i dunno tho i might be fishing. i think the line could be anywhere from even money to bendo -180. i think its likely frankie +175 has value but i would bet him for sure at +185

its up to +191

feel as if the odds are too good to pass up

1st fight i really thought hendo was gonna tear it up but edgar impressed me so so much and if it wasn't for that sick up kick he took i think he would have won that fight straight up

On August 11 2012 16:14 UpSwing wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2012 17:37 Daut wrote:   On August 07 2012 16:11 YoMeR wrote: hrm if u were to bet on frankie on this upcoming fight what kinda odds would u guys be looking for? the line for edgar is slowly improving (saw +150 on edgar last night and it's up to 160-170 now..) at some point there's gotta be a tipping point and i'm not educated in MMA to know the exact but if it reaches +200 it's gotta be +ev to bet on frankie...right? i'd even consider putting down some cash on +180-190 as well i dunno tho i might be fishing. i think the line could be anywhere from even money to bendo -180. i think its likely frankie +175 has value but i would bet him for sure at +185 its up to +191 feel as if the odds are too good to pass up 1st fight i really thought hendo was gonna tear it up but edgar impressed me so so much and if it wasn't for that sick up kick he took i think he would have won that fight straight up

That's what a lot of people said right after the fight, but once they re-watched the fight after awhile, they saw it wasn't as close as they originally thought it was. I thought the same thing as well, but that up-kick wasn't the defining moment.

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Herman was at +170 last night, now down to +145... People must have got the inside scoop of how bad Shields will perform.

Prelims start in 2 hours: http://www.facebook.com/UFC/app_247211121995467

what would you guys rather see: nate vs edgar or nate vs bendo?

On August 11 2012 16:29 Daut wrote: what would you guys rather see: nate vs edgar or nate vs bendo?

Hmmm, id say Bendo vs Nate, Frankie vs Aldo

On August 11 2012 16:46 HaiVan wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2012 16:29 Daut wrote: what would you guys rather see: nate vs edgar or nate vs bendo? Hmmm, id say Bendo vs Nate, Frankie vs Aldo

ya those 2 fights combined are insane. but just in terms of who is a more compelling opponent for nate you still have same answer? i dont really have a preference, see pros for each fight

On August 11 2012 16:29 Daut wrote: what would you guys rather see: nate vs edgar or nate vs bendo?

Edgar vs Nate.

I think Bendo ends up throwing a bunch of leg kicks vs Nate and taking him down a lot. It'd still be a great fight, and the grappling would be fun to watch, but I see it often being a methodical one sided type fight for Bendo. I think Nate could catch him on the feet or on the ground and win, but I don't see it being a very back and forth type of fight.

In Nate vs Edgar, I don't think Edgar stays on top too much. I think it's a crazy high pace boxing match with both getting dropped and lots of crazy scrambles.

On August 11 2012 16:49 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2012 16:46 HaiVan wrote:   On August 11 2012 16:29 Daut wrote: what would you guys rather see: nate vs edgar or nate vs bendo? Hmmm, id say Bendo vs Nate, Frankie vs Aldo ya those 2 fights combined are insane. but just in terms of who is a more compelling opponent for nate you still have same answer? i dont really have a preference, see pros for each fight

Well as Stim said Edgar vs Diaz might be the more exciting option, but id just like to see Frankie drop to 145 and fight Aldo a little bit more than i want to see Frankie vs Nate , either way all of the options after tonights fight seem very exciting. If Frankie wins we get him vs Nate and Bendo vs a top 10 lw, if Bendo wins we possibly get two very exciting title fights at fw and lw.

Nate vs. Edgar would suck cuz the fight would probably get stopped in a 5 round fight due to Edgar's face being too cut up.

Nate vs. Bendo would be better and more skilled of a fight, since Bendo uses his hands/kicks/knees/wrestling/BJJ, and can take a lot of punishment + doesn't show damage + best cardio at 155.

bets:

lentz/bermudez parlay
cerrone/okami parlay
erik perez straight up
edgar decision

LMAO gg asians

On August 06 2012 02:34 PuertoRican wrote: Henderson > Edgar Cerrone > Guillard Herman > Shields Okami > Roberts Holloway > Lawrence Hayden > Bermudez Kuiper > Hamman Stone > Perez Pague > Camus Lentz > Mitsuoka

Ended up putting a small bet on Frankie @ +170.

Pague got too comfortable on his back, he's on a 2 loss streak, but hopefully he gets another chance.

Good control by Chico, but I didn't see anything special out of him in this fight.

LOL THIS FIGHT LOL HAMMAN LOL

Felt bad for Hamman. He's not UFC material, he never really was. Too bad he had to go out like that though.

Anyone taking Shields to win?

I'll put $10 on Herman to beat Shields, plus the odds of course.

Payment = Moneybookers or PayPal.

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Main Card: http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/63804/1/uf...n-vs-edgar-ii-live-stream-online.html

lmao buddy roberts. does he have a prayer or is he doomed simply b/c of his name?

LOL okami has the softest gnp, but damn hes awesome at full mounting peopl

Jake Shields continues to prove why he's one of the best MMA fighters in the world... /sarcasm

ahah what a turn around

I think Benson is going to snap his 4 fight decision win streak, and finish Edgar this time. I think by Submission.

cerrone's presence saved this shitty card.
main event striking match with zero KO possibility

LOL, waiting for benson to take the mic and say a few words.

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48-47 for frankie? idk

hendo, frankie, hendo, hendo, frankie
imo

hope bendo wins, fk tilting frankie with his pussy kicks

48-47 frankie for sure.

Crappy main fight imo.

There were 2 rounds where I dunno who won the round because not much was done. I think that between rounds 1-4, I had it 1 round for Benson and 1 round for Frankie, with 2 rounds that had me confused. I gave Frankie round 5.

So, at least 2-1 for Frankie, but then there's 2 rounds where not much got done. Even the rounds that Frankie won, it wasn't that much of a clear win aside from round 5, at least imo.

Poor frankie.

when one judge scores 49-46 to one guy and the others score 48-47 in favor of the other guy, you know that judging in mma is bizarrely wrong

LOL @ GIVING THAT TO BENSON (I had benson)

BENSON WAS +600 LIVE WITH A FEW MINUTES TO GO AND THEY GAVE IT TO BENSON LOL

nice benson won. edgar vs diaz would look too weird

better for mma, frankie would've just created a rage match vs diaz like a condit vs nick diaz, or maynard vs guida.

The 2 judges who scored it for Benson were thinking the same thing I was. In a title fight where there's rounds that leave me confused, I know those are usually going to the champion.

Benson will have to come up with a new game plan before he fights Nate Diaz, that Neanderthal isn't afraid to push forward and take shots to the head.

Nathan Diaz ‏@NateDiaz209
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Round 3 was a 10-10 if I ever seen one. I gave henson a round and frankie two one I just didnt even try

On August 11 2012 23:29 PuertoRican wrote: The 2 judges who scored it for Benson were thinking the same thing I was. In a title fight where there's rounds that leave me confused, I know those are usually going to the champion. Benson will have to come up with a new game plan before he fights Nate Diaz, that Neanderthal isn't afraid to push forward and take shots to the head.

I don't think 2,4,5 were confusing, and were pretty clear wins for frankie. Just about every play by play site i've checked also scored it for frankie.

did anyone here give the fight to benson? if so which rounds and what score(s)?

Benson was +600 live with a few minutes to go. Given how the fight ended I don't think benson did even close to enough to win that fight but I so am glad he got the decision LOL

On August 11 2012 23:36 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2012 23:29 PuertoRican wrote: The 2 judges who scored it for Benson were thinking the same thing I was. In a title fight where there's rounds that leave me confused, I know those are usually going to the champion. Benson will have to come up with a new game plan before he fights Nate Diaz, that Neanderthal isn't afraid to push forward and take shots to the head. I don't think 2,4,5 were confusing, and were pretty clear wins for frankie. Just about every play by play site i've checked also scored it for frankie.

ya i agree, thought 2,4,5 were really clear frankie and 1 hendo & 3 pretty close

1/2/5 were very clear.

had 3 for edgar
4 i thought was super close.

dont really feel like watching it again and breaking it down just so i can whine that i had it 49-46 edgar

On August 11 2012 23:36 RaiNKhAN wrote: did anyone here give the fight to benson? if so which rounds and what score(s)?

I thought 3 and 4 went to Bendo by a hair. Poor Frankie, but his gameplan obv relies on winning decisions too much.

On August 11 2012 23:40 Daut wrote: dont really feel like watching it again and breaking it down just so i can whine that i had it 49-46 edgar

probably what the judges thought of the fans if they gave it to benson lol
poor edgar and wrestlers - people just dont care that much about them even if they try to strike well

^i think that has more to do with frankie being half the opponents size in general so he has to use strategy only to win (god damn did you see hendo's leg in comparison to frankie's?it's friggin huge)

he really needs to go down one weight class, think he would do well vs aldo and there his punches would get 'respect'

On August 11 2012 23:29 PuertoRican wrote: The 2 judges who scored it for Benson were thinking the same thing I was. In a title fight where there's rounds that leave me confused, I know those are usually going to the champion. Benson will have to come up with a new game plan before he fights Nate Diaz, that Neanderthal isn't afraid to push forward and take shots to the head.

so what happened the first bendo vs edgar fight where a lot of people had it 48-47 edgar? he was champ, bendo got all those close rounds

I gave Frankie 2nd round and 5th. I thought benson won the 1st due to leg kicks. I got pissed and worried when benson stopped throwing leg kicks and frankie was scoring a ton of mini pts similar to what condit did to diaz.

Anyhow i dont think ive seen a closer fight other than shogun vs hendo and it def musta sucked to be the judges but most of all edgar. Im glad frankie 0-2 and no more rematches for a while, altho i do feel for him because this 2nd bout was close as fuck.

On August 11 2012 23:58 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2012 23:29 PuertoRican wrote: The 2 judges who scored it for Benson were thinking the same thing I was. In a title fight where there's rounds that leave me confused, I know those are usually going to the champion. Benson will have to come up with a new game plan before he fights Nate Diaz, that Neanderthal isn't afraid to push forward and take shots to the head. so what happened the first bendo vs edgar fight where a lot of people had it 48-47 edgar? he was champ, bendo got all those close rounds

The first fight: The fight was in Asia, Benson is half Korean, his mother and him were doing a ton of press before the fight just because of him being half Korean, followed by a trip to Korea after the win.

The second fight: Nobody in the UFC wants to see Frankie point fight his way to a title win, just so he can lose it in his next fight to Nate Diaz. Aside from his TKO of Maynard, the last guy Frankie finished was Matt Veach, in December 2009.

Benson vs. Nate is a more sell-able fight, which they could have in Los Angeles, where the Korean and beaner population is pretty big.

In the end, I wouldn't have been surprised if Frankie would have won the split decision, but I'm not surprised he didn't win it.

Edit: Benson was fighting like how his attitude was in an interview prior to this event, where he said something along the lines of "I'm the champ, you're coming to take my title away", then he went on to say how the other guy has to do more than him to win the fight. I thought of this because he seemed more relaxed and was countering a lot instead of pressing the fight to Frankie, which Benson thinks he doesn't need to do since he's the champ. Maybe this is why he lost his belt vs. Pettis? The super kick was icing on the cake.

fight was close and all

but theres something wrong if every major mma news site has their results in as edgar winning

god dana dodging the question of who he thinks won....

It's so obvious he thinks Edgar won zZz

The second fight: Nobody in the UFC wants to see Frankie point fight his way to a title win, just so he can lose it in his next fight to Nate Diaz. Aside from his TKO of Maynard, the last guy Frankie finished was Matt Veach, in December 2009.

ben henderson has gone to 6 straight decisions. he hasnt finished a fight in 2.5 years.

In the end, I wouldn't have been surprised if Frankie would have won the split decision, but I'm not surprised he didn't win it. Edit: Benson was fighting like how his attitude was in an interview prior to this event, where he said something along the lines of "I'm the champ, you're coming to take my title away", then he went on to say how the other guy has to do more than him to win the fight. I thought of this because he seemed more relaxed and was countering a lot instead of pressing the fight to Frankie, which Benson thinks he doesn't need to do since he's the champ. Maybe this is why he lost his belt vs. Pettis? The super kick was icing on the cake.

not only do i think its a ridiculous thing to give any close fight to the current champion, but i dont think its really true.


fights where it happened:
edgar vs henderson 2
shogun machida 1
edgar maynard 2

fights where opposite happened:
edgar vs henderson 1
condit vs diaz (was strikeforce champ)
bj vs edgar 1
forrest vs rampage


i realize edgar has been involved in a bunch of these close fights. but really most of these fights werent close. there are so many problems with mma judging and it looks like the system will never allow them to be fixed.

So the bottom-line is how do you explain a fucked up decision every other card? Are the judges just that fucking retarded or is there some fixing going on? LOL

On August 12 2012 00:59 RaiNKhAN wrote: So the bottom-line is how do you explain a fucked up decision every other card? Are the judges just that fucking retarded or is there some fixing going on? LOL

its a combination of a lot of things

-bad view of the cage
-no monitors/stats available to them
-not allowed or discouraged to give 10-10 scores for rounds that are too close to call
-judges dont know what they are doing
-judges have some small personal bias for a certain fighter that makes them choose him

i think all of these reasons are much more likely than the fights actually being fixed or rigged. i dont think a judge liking a certain fighter and subconciously wanting to choose hi in a close round is the same as a fight being rigged.

there have only been a few fights I suspected were fixed and none were in the UFC. a couple mma ones were smaller promotions and of course boxing fights like pacquiao vs bradley.

I wouldn't be surprised if some judges have been taken out to dinners, trips, etc., not to intentionally buy a fight, but perhaps persuade them in their decision making when they see a certain person of power don't want to see things go a certain way. "Well, I know that we don't want to see a draw, or, I rather see this guy fight this guy next since I know his next opponent for sure, or, Having this guy continuing his point fighting is not good for business, etc."

I'm not saying Dana buys off judges to fix fights, but Japanese MMA and K-1 has a history of being dirty at certain points in the past. I doubt every MMA organization in USA is 100% honest.

All of the above is probably bullshit, but you never know.

just woke up its 9am and i caught some last questions in post fight presser. so who got kotn,fotn,sotn?

- UFC 150 draws a reported 15,008 attendance for $650,000 live gate. This was basically a major loss of money for the UFC. UFC 135 in Denver drew 16,344 fans for a live gate of nearly $2.1 million.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/30148/ufc-1...8-attendance-for-650000-live-gate.mma

$60,000 for each bonus

Knockout of the Night: Donald Cerrone
Fight of the Night: Donald Cerrone and Melvin Guillard
Submission of the Night: Dennis Bermudez

On August 12 2012 01:02 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2012 00:59 RaiNKhAN wrote: So the bottom-line is how do you explain a fucked up decision every other card? Are the judges just that fucking retarded or is there some fixing going on? LOL its a combination of a lot of things -bad view of the cage -no monitors/stats available to them -not allowed or discouraged to give 10-10 scores for rounds that are too close to call -judges dont know what they are doing -judges have some small personal bias for a certain fighter that makes them choose him i think all of these reasons are much more likely than the fights actually being fixed or rigged. i dont think a judge liking a certain fighter and subconciously wanting to choose hi in a close round is the same as a fight being rigged. there have only been a few fights I suspected were fixed and none were in the UFC. a couple mma ones were smaller promotions and of course boxing fights like pacquiao vs bradley.

i can pretty much guarantee some pride fights were rigged. they'd approach a fighter and offer him money to dive. Usually they didn't tell the other fighter one was diving, but i know of one situation where the guy knew he was supposed to win the fight.

Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Benso...n_vs_Frankie_Edgar_UFC_150_1/10032690
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Benso...n_vs_Frankie_Edgar_UFC_150_2/10032691
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Benso...n_vs_Frankie_Edgar_UFC_150_3/10032692
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Benso...n_vs_Frankie_Edgar_UFC_150_4/10032693
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Benso...n_vs_Frankie_Edgar_UFC_150_5/10032694

Donald Cerrone vs. Melvin Guillard
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Donal...e_vs_Melvin_Guillard_UFC_150/10032686

Jake Shields vs. Ed Herman
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Jake_Shields_vs_Ed_Herman_UFC_150_1/10032687
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Jake_Shields_vs_Ed_Herman_UFC_150_2/10032688

Yushin Okami vs. Buddy Roberts
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Yushin_Okami_vs_Buddy_Roberts_UFC_150_1/10032684
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Yushin_Okami_vs_Buddy_Roberts_UFC_150_2/10032685

Max Holloway vs. Justin Lawrence
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Justi...ce_vs_Max_Holloway_UFC_150_1/10032679
http://mmacore.co/videos/fights/Justi...ce_vs_Max_Holloway_UFC_150_2/10032680

edgar is so boring, they gave it to ben so he wouldn't have to fight diaz obviously.

Fell asleep before the card started, just watched it, aaaaaand what the shit that was clearly 48-47 for Edgar. Oh well atleast i got my bets right, and we probably get Edgar vs Aldo now.

I thought Frankie won this fight and got handled pretty easily the last time they fought. Good for him for improving but you gotta take it from the champion. Boring fight, heard the rest of the card sucked so didn't watch besides Cowboy and Guillard. Hats off to those two. Those are fighters.

what needs to happen so the judgint system is changed, give them some monitors and let them score 10-10 and 10-8 more freely ffs

On August 12 2012 05:03 Baalim wrote: what needs to happen so the judgint system is changed, give them some monitors and let them score 10-10 and 10-8 more freely ffs

ive thought about this a good amount. stratifying the scoring system further in theory should make judging the fight on a round by round basis give a score closer to the overall picture of who won the fight on the whole. however these retard judges cant get the score right with a very simple system, so how can making the system even harder for them work?

i think right now all that we can do is give them monitors/stats and educate better. even though its better theoretically, making the scoring more complex will only lead to problems at the moment.

On August 12 2012 02:33 Etherone wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2012 01:02 Daut wrote:   On August 12 2012 00:59 RaiNKhAN wrote: So the bottom-line is how do you explain a fucked up decision every other card? Are the judges just that fucking retarded or is there some fixing going on? LOL its a combination of a lot of things -bad view of the cage -no monitors/stats available to them -not allowed or discouraged to give 10-10 scores for rounds that are too close to call -judges dont know what they are doing -judges have some small personal bias for a certain fighter that makes them choose him i think all of these reasons are much more likely than the fights actually being fixed or rigged. i dont think a judge liking a certain fighter and subconciously wanting to choose hi in a close round is the same as a fight being rigged. there have only been a few fights I suspected were fixed and none were in the UFC. a couple mma ones were smaller promotions and of course boxing fights like pacquiao vs bradley. i can pretty much guarantee some pride fights were rigged. they'd approach a fighter and offer him money to dive. Usually they didn't tell the other fighter one was diving, but i know of one situation where the guy knew he was supposed to win the fight.

yup pride had tons of fight fixing. and smaller promotions do as well. but the UFC is a different story. I'd be an idiot to say theres never been a fight fixed in the UFC, just based on the fact that there have been ~2500-3000 fights its almost a certainty, but I cant recall ever suspecting a fight was fixed. I always just assume it was bad judging or bad reffing, not that it had motivation behind it.

can you guys think any examples of UFC fights that seem rigged for one fighter?

random thoughts that really strikes me: diaz bros complain about judging criteria and how a ton of fighters will lay and pray instead of "bringing it". But on the other hand they are butt buddies with jake shields who is the king of lay n pray. Everytime i see his name on a card it just ruins it for me cuz i know that fight is gonna suck.

On August 12 2012 06:04 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2012 02:33 Etherone wrote:   On August 12 2012 01:02 Daut wrote:   On August 12 2012 00:59 RaiNKhAN wrote: So the bottom-line is how do you explain a fucked up decision every other card? Are the judges just that fucking retarded or is there some fixing going on? LOL its a combination of a lot of things -bad view of the cage -no monitors/stats available to them -not allowed or discouraged to give 10-10 scores for rounds that are too close to call -judges dont know what they are doing -judges have some small personal bias for a certain fighter that makes them choose him i think all of these reasons are much more likely than the fights actually being fixed or rigged. i dont think a judge liking a certain fighter and subconciously wanting to choose hi in a close round is the same as a fight being rigged. there have only been a few fights I suspected were fixed and none were in the UFC. a couple mma ones were smaller promotions and of course boxing fights like pacquiao vs bradley. i can pretty much guarantee some pride fights were rigged. they'd approach a fighter and offer him money to dive. Usually they didn't tell the other fighter one was diving, but i know of one situation where the guy knew he was supposed to win the fight. yup pride had tons of fight fixing. and smaller promotions do as well. but the UFC is a different story. I'd be an idiot to say theres never been a fight fixed in the UFC, just based on the fact that there have been ~2500-3000 fights its almost a certainty, but I cant recall ever suspecting a fight was fixed. I always just assume it was bad judging or bad reffing, not that it had motivation behind it. can you guys think any examples of UFC fights that seem rigged for one fighter?

parenthesis over the person who was rigged in his favor

(machida) shogun 1
nam phan (leonard garcia) 1
(forest griffin) tito ortiz 2
(josh koscheck) mike pierce
Kampmann (shields)
Kampmann (Sanchez)
Edgar (bendo) 2

the list goes on and on but this is off the top of my head

On August 12 2012 13:37 RaiNKhAN wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2012 06:04 Daut wrote:   On August 12 2012 02:33 Etherone wrote:   On August 12 2012 01:02 Daut wrote:   On August 12 2012 00:59 RaiNKhAN wrote: So the bottom-line is how do you explain a fucked up decision every other card? Are the judges just that fucking retarded or is there some fixing going on? LOL its a combination of a lot of things -bad view of the cage -no monitors/stats available to them -not allowed or discouraged to give 10-10 scores for rounds that are too close to call -judges dont know what they are doing -judges have some small personal bias for a certain fighter that makes them choose him i think all of these reasons are much more likely than the fights actually being fixed or rigged. i dont think a judge liking a certain fighter and subconciously wanting to choose hi in a close round is the same as a fight being rigged. there have only been a few fights I suspected were fixed and none were in the UFC. a couple mma ones were smaller promotions and of course boxing fights like pacquiao vs bradley. i can pretty much guarantee some pride fights were rigged. they'd approach a fighter and offer him money to dive. Usually they didn't tell the other fighter one was diving, but i know of one situation where the guy knew he was supposed to win the fight. yup pride had tons of fight fixing. and smaller promotions do as well. but the UFC is a different story. I'd be an idiot to say theres never been a fight fixed in the UFC, just based on the fact that there have been ~2500-3000 fights its almost a certainty, but I cant recall ever suspecting a fight was fixed. I always just assume it was bad judging or bad reffing, not that it had motivation behind it. can you guys think any examples of UFC fights that seem rigged for one fighter? parenthesis over the person who was rigged in his favor (machida) shogun 1 nam phan (leonard garcia) 1 (forest griffin) tito ortiz 2 (josh koscheck) mike pierce Kampmann (shields) Kampmann (Sanchez) Edgar (bendo) 2 the list goes on and on but this is off the top of my head

I think those are just bad decisions, i dont see how any of these was rigged by the UFC or some other unknown forces, which was what Daut was asking. To be honest i cant really recall seeing a UFC fight that i though was rigged for a specific fighter. There have been plenty of bad decisions by the judges though.

I had it 3-2 Edgar. Coulda seen 4-1 Edgar easier than 3-2 Henderson.

People looking into 'bad judging'...especially the talk about if the champion gets close rounds or not...are just looking too much into it. 'Bad' judging is always going to happen in a subjective field for a 5 round fight that has several close rounds. Sometimes, a person see's 3 straight rounds won by fighter A...but if all 3 rounds were close, a lot of people don't really realize how easy it is for another person to have scored those close rounds all to the other guy creating such a perceived huge disparity when there really wasn't. I guess maybe I'm more used to it since I watched a lot of boxing before and they mess up over there in fairly often crazier differences over a you'd think easier to get right 12 round sample.

On August 12 2012 08:17 flounder44 wrote: random thoughts that really strikes me: diaz bros complain about judging criteria and how a ton of fighters will lay and pray instead of "bringing it". But on the other hand they are butt buddies with jake shields who is the king of lay n pray. Everytime i see his name on a card it just ruins it for me cuz i know that fight is gonna suck.

I was thinking this too. Their training conversations are probably pretty funny

On August 12 2012 08:17 flounder44 wrote: random thoughts that really strikes me: diaz bros complain about judging criteria and how a ton of fighters will lay and pray instead of "bringing it". But on the other hand they are butt buddies with jake shields who is the king of lay n pray. Everytime i see his name on a card it just ruins it for me cuz i know that fight is gonna suck.

Shields doesn't really lay and pray much unless he's really tired. He generally tries to improve position go for submissions. He's not just a wrestler, he's also one of the better BJJ practitioners in MMA.

Fight Metric for Bendo vs. Edgar: http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3999

I still thought Bendo looked bad last night, but since some nerds take the time out to collect the strikes landed, it's always worth posting.



Jared Hamman toe his hamstring last night during his fight vs. Kuiper.
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Just watched this tonight with 3 others and all gave it to Frankie. Personally I had it 4-1 for Edgar. It was very obvious in the last round that Edgar thought he had won the fight. Lol at Dana going "I'm not a judge, who gives a shit, I'm not a judge".

Okami and Shields on the same card was just asking for people to slip into comas. Lucky Sir O'nay was on the card.

On August 13 2012 11:00 Funktion wrote: Lol at Dana going "I'm not a judge, who gives a shit, I'm not a judge".

Yeah dude. Dana doesn't care anymore as long as his pockets are filled.

I thought:
Round 1 - Bendo
Round 2 - Edgar
Round 3 - too close to call so draw
Round 4 - Bendo
Round 5 - Edgar

Rounds 1, 2, and 5 were the only rounds that I thought were decisive so it could have gone either way.

On August 13 2012 11:59 RaiNKhAN wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2012 11:00 Funktion wrote: Lol at Dana going "I'm not a judge, who gives a shit, I'm not a judge". Yeah dude. Dana doesn't care anymore as long as his pockets are filled.

i think it hurts the sports more if he says he thinks edgar won thats why he dodged it so hard

draws should occur more frequently here more than boxing. if this happens i think fighters will try to finish fights more and take more crazy chances - it could only be better for the sport. as it is seems fighters are way more concerned getting airtime and "franklining or griffining" their careers. i feel lots of fighters just want a decent career at least financially. in boxing if you dont fight for a shot at the belt your whole career is kinda pointless and the money is shit.

Had Edgar winning 2. 3. and 5. but I knew so damn well that Henderson would likely get the win no matter what. (Using 'knew' loosely)

Had $19 equiv. on Bendo at -220 so I'm not complaining about losing a bet but it's really sad to see how odd the judging is.

On August 13 2012 18:22 whamm! wrote: draws should occur more frequently here more than boxing. if this happens i think fighters will try to finish fights more and take more crazy chances - it could only be better for the sport. as it is seems fighters are way more concerned getting airtime and "franklining or griffining" their careers. i feel lots of fighters just want a decent career at least financially. in boxing if you dont fight for a shot at the belt your whole career is kinda pointless and the money is shit.

I agree to the extent that I think uneventful or very even rounds should be scored as draws. I think that 1 to Benson, 2 to Edgar, 3 and 4 as draws, and 5 to Edgar would have been the least controversial and best decision. This was have given Edgar the decision.

i don't understand the qq'ing it's been pretty standard since the early days of boxing that you have to look overwhelmingly better than the champion.

This has especially been proven true in MMA - Being the guy with the belt pretty much gives you those 'to close to call rounds'

Much like traveling in the NBA, or a football star getting that pass interference call when the guy barely touches him...

This is merely a sport, why would this be any different?

^ I agree with you. Champs always get those close rounds.

I wouldn't want a title fight to go to a decision if I was defending a belt in the hometown of the guy I was fighting, as well as if the fight was taking place in Asia while the opponent was Asian.

Awesome article: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/15/...sion-judging-scoring-analysis-autopsy

having "take the champs belt" rather than just win it by points is a decent policy if you are trying to push the fighters to make the most exciting fights for the belt

can't really decide where I sit with it. Good point fighting, I usually don't mind, and this policy hurts those types imo..

I like this one better: http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/08/henderson-vs-edgar-ii-official-ufc.html

Henderson vs. Edgar 2 is old news.

We're aware that Edgar did the majority of the point fighting, and if it wasn't a title fight or if Edgar was defending his belt, then Edgar would have won.

There were a couple rounds that weren't dominating for Edgar, which meant it could go either way in a title fight, which usually means the defending champion gets those rounds.

Either way, Edgar wont get another a title shot at Lightweight, especially since Nate Diaz wont win the decision or submit Henderson. I think Edgar would get owned if he went to 145, so it's a slippery slope for him. I think a good first fight for Edgar at 145 is vs. Ross Pearson, but since he recently loss to Cub Swanson, I'd rather see Cub vs. Frankie at 145.

I forgot to add: Frankie should win one more fight at Lightweight, then move down to Featherweight if Nate Diaz loses to Henderson. A win at Lightweight will snap that 0-2 losing streak and put him in a better place mentally, especially if he moved to Featherweight and lost his first fight while still being on an 0-2 streak.

I don't think I like the "take the belt" mentality. It just seems like an excuse for a champ to narrowly lose a round in the cage and win the round on paper. Also in the Edgar vs Hendo case that rule sure didn't apply to Hendo (he didn't "take" the belt) in the first fight so it's hypocritical to have it justified in the second fight. But then I'm also bitter about Frankie beating BJ the first time (50-45 lol). It would just be nice to have some fucking consistency in the judging. Fans shouldn't have to be like, "Oh I think <insert name> won but the judges are <inserts names>, so who knows what will happen".

The article Daut posted was pretty good. Seems like Tony Weeks knows what's up.

On August 16 2012 01:51 Funktion wrote: I don't think I like the "take the belt" mentality. It just seems like an excuse for a champ to narrowly lose a round in the cage and win the round on paper. Also in the Edgar vs Hendo case that rule sure didn't apply to Hendo (he didn't "take" the belt) in the first fight so it's hypocritical to have it justified in the second fight. But then I'm also bitter about Frankie beating BJ the first time (50-45 lol). It would just be nice to have some fucking consistency in the judging. Fans shouldn't have to be like, "Oh I think won but the judges are , so who knows what will happen". The article Daut posted was pretty good. Seems like Tony Weeks knows what's up.

http://mmadecisions.com/judge.jsp?id=55

some notable fuck ups:
12/04/10 TUF 12 L. Garcia def. N. Phan 29-28
06/12/10 UFC 115 E. Dunham def. T. Griffin 28-29
05/29/10 UFC 114 A. Nogueira def. J. Brilz 29-28
05/08/10 UFC 113 J. Stephens def. S. Stout 28-29


it was extremely clear nam phan, evan dunham, brilz and stephens won those fights. he got this fight right but hes been badly wrong before as have many judges.

luckily those fights were a long time ago. of the others on the list i dont see any other blatantly bad ones off the top of my head, but i dont remember every fight in perfect detail to know

I was only referring to the Edgar vs Hendo fight because I never remember who judges what anyway. For all I know he could of been the person who gave BJ the 45-50 result. Not defending him but it's possible he might of worked on and improved his judging methods/skills. Well I remain at least optimistic that some judges out their actually work on their criteria and learn from fights such as those you listed.

Had no idea the decision website existed, seems like a great resource. *looks up UFC 112* I can now correctly say, fuck you Doug Crosby.

it just seems that there seems to be no draw fights ever when there have clearly been a lot of super close fights that even retard judges like myself would call a draw.
and as for "taking the belt", i do agree but ffs this is not boxing where you only have to deal with punches alone