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Apatik-   Canada. Apr 12 2012 16:45. Posts 7

Hey everyone, I'm new here and I'm new to poker (started almost 2 weeks ago) and in today's session I ended up in some bad situations and I would like to know how I could have handled this better? The fourth hand is a bit different as I would like to know how can I profit more when I'm in this kind of situation.

I was playing 6-max btw and I don't really have any information against the players. They were mostly tight and quite aggro when they had good hands so that is why I ended up folding.


Thanks a lot! :D

~~~ First Hand: ~~~
Submitted by : Apatik-

PokerStars Hand #78754010353: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2012/04/12 14:13:26 ET
Table Fomalhaut VI 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($14.10 in chips)
Seat 2: langley88 ($12.93 in chips)
Seat 3: stonkku ($5.54 in chips)
Seat 4: ironfist_k ($10.31 in chips)
Seat 5: Burritosss ($12.15 in chips)
Seat 6: jorgeeCZ ($10.17 in chips)
stonkku: posts small blind $0.05
ironfist_k: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero 9c7c
Burritosss: folds
jorgeeCZ: folds
Hero: calls $0.10
langley88: folds
stonkku: folds
ironfist_k: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Hero: calls $0.30

Flop (Pot : $0.85)

   Ts8dAd
langley88 leaves the table
fless836 joins the table at seat #2
ironfist_k: bets $0.60
Hero: raises $0.60 to $1.20
ironfist_k: raises $2.40 to $3.60
Hero: calls $2.40

Turn (Pot : $8.05)

   Ts8dAd3c
ironfist_k: bets $6.31 and is all-in
Hero: folds
Uncalled bet ($6.31) returned to ironfist_k
ironfist_k collected $7.69 from pot
ironfist_k: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $8.05 | Rake $0.36
Board  Ts8dAd3c
Seat 1: Hero folded on the Turn
Seat 2: langley88 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: stonkku (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ironfist_k (big blind) collected ($7.69)
Seat 5: Burritosss folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: jorgeeCZ folded before Flop (didnt bet)



~~~ Second Hand: ~~~
Submitted by : Apatik-

PokerStars Hand #78760864384: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2012/04/12 16:05:00 ET
Table Fomalhaut VI 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($21.75 in chips)
Seat 2: tapser ($3.93 in chips)
Seat 3: kippe3381 ($21.80 in chips)
Seat 4: Faaaarst ($10.55 in chips)
Seat 5: mico1991 ($16.42 in chips)
Seat 6: jorgeeCZ ($21.05 in chips)
jorgeeCZ: posts small blind $0.05
Hero: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero AdKh
tapser: calls $0.10
kippe3381: folds
Faaaarst: folds
mico1991: folds
jorgeeCZ: folds
Hero: checks

Flop (Pot : $0.25)

   6d8s4s
Hero: bets $0.15
tapser: raises $0.45 to $0.60
Hero: calls $0.45

Turn (Pot : $1.45)

   6d8s4s2d
Hero: bets $0.80
tapser: raises $2.43 to $3.23 and is all-in
Hero: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.43) returned to tapser
tapser collected $2.91 from pot
tapser: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $3.05 | Rake $0.14
Board  6d8s4s2d
Seat 1: Hero (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: tapser collected ($2.91)
Seat 3: kippe3381 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: Faaaarst folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: mico1991 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: jorgeeCZ (small blind) folded before Flop



~~~ Third Hand: ~~~
Submitted by : Apatik-

PokerStars Hand #78754890148: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2012/04/12 14:28:03 ET
Table Fomalhaut VI 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($9.97 in chips)
Seat 2: pohcpohc ($7.70 in chips)
Seat 3: stonkku ($5.59 in chips)
Seat 4: ASplayer9119 ($11.84 in chips)
Seat 5: Burritosss ($10.83 in chips)
Seat 6: jorgeeCZ ($10 in chips)
pohcpohc: posts small blind $0.05
stonkku: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero TdTc
ASplayer9119: folds
Burritosss: folds
jorgeeCZ: folds
Hero: raises $0.10 to $0.20
pohcpohc: calls $0.15
stonkku: folds

Flop (Pot : $0.50)

   2sKs3c
pohcpohc: bets $0.40
Hero: calls $0.40

Turn (Pot : $1.30)

   2sKs3c5d
pohcpohc: bets $0.60
Hero: calls $0.60

River (Pot : $2.50)

   2sKs3c5d7c
pohcpohc: bets $0.80
Hero: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.80) returned to pohcpohc
pohcpohc collected $2.39 from pot
pohcpohc: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $2.50 | Rake $0.11
Board  2sKs3c5d7c
Seat 1: Hero (button) folded on the River
Seat 2: pohcpohc (small blind) collected ($2.39)



~~~ Fourth Hand: ~~~
Submitted by : Apatik-

PokerStars Hand #78755202427: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2012/04/12 14:33:17 ET
Table Cybele V 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($16.78 in chips)
Seat 2: tendubious ($14.79 in chips)
Seat 3: DrLaak ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: dp4025 ($11.77 in chips)
Seat 5: SestprsTy ($14.07 in chips)
Seat 6: pigounish ($10 in chips)
pigounish: posts small blind $0.05
Hero: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero 5s5d
tendubious: folds
DrLaak: folds
dp4025: folds
SestprsTy: raises $0.20 to $0.30
pigounish: folds
Hero: calls $0.20

Flop (Pot : $0.65)

   5hAcQs
Hero: checks
SestprsTy: bets $0.36
Hero: calls $0.36

Turn (Pot : $1.37)

   5hAcQs7d
Hero: checks
SestprsTy: checks

River (Pot : $1.37)

   5hAcQs7d5c
Hero: bets $0.60
SestprsTy: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.60) returned to Hero
Hero collected $1.31 from pot

Summary
Total pot $1.37 | Rake $0.06
Board  5hAcQs7d5c
Seat 1: Hero (big blind) collected ($1.31)
Seat 2: tendubious folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: DrLaak folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: dp4025 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: SestprsTy (button) folded on the River
Seat 6: pigounish (small blind) folded before Flop



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 Last edit: 12/04/2012 16:49

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Apr 12 2012 17:30. Posts 8649

1. should generally be raising whenever you open a pot

on flop you should probably just flat his bet, but if you want to raise it has to be bigger.

2. whenever there's any limpers pre you should raise with good hands like AK, the general rule is 4bb+1bb per limper, generally want to err on the bigger side when you're out of position (and when you get called usually stab any raggy flops even if you don't hit).

3. some people minraise the button with a wide range as part of a viable strategy, but at micro stakes it really costs you a lot of value, go 3 or 4x+. i think flatting flop and turn is fine, on river he's giving you good odds and the flush missed so i would click call, he could be random button-clicking with lower pairs also.

4. c/r flop, i would probably make it like 1.6-1.8 or so and bet pot or close to pot on turn and river. it's rarely correct to slowplay at microstakes unless you have the board crippled (ie KK on KK2r).

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TheLink   Australia. Apr 12 2012 18:41. Posts 406

One of the best pieces of advice given to me about the micro's was that when you flop a big hand (like a set on this board) your plan should be about how to get all the money in, In hand 4 you both have very deep stacks in a small 2-way pot. 3 streets of betting isn't going to get close to all of it in so you're going to need to start raising, especially since he's only betting half-pot. You are also out of position which means you could easily lose a street of value (like you did on the turn) by not raising earlier.

Given his line he probably would have folded to your check-raise but you can't be results-oriented like that in poker. Our friend pokraight around here stands as a shining example to that.

 Last edit: 12/04/2012 18:42

Apatik-   Canada. Apr 12 2012 18:59. Posts 7

Thanks a lot for your advices guys, really appreciate it!

My thought process was that by limping them and hidding my big hand, I could try to make them bet more in the pot, etc. when flop/turn/river come but now I realize this is definitely not a good way to profit and I just end up wasting my hand.

I will definitely start posting more hands. This help me a lot and it's much better than just watching videos IMO.


TalentedTom    Canada. Apr 12 2012 19:53. Posts 20070

oh man so ur that guy who keeps leading calling rerasies and leads again

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

Apatik-   Canada. Apr 12 2012 19:57. Posts 7

Haha I dunno maybe. I see so many people doing it.


Tensai176   Canada. Apr 13 2012 00:08. Posts 1018

I'm teaching my gf to play poker. She calls raises all the time to lead turns and I have no idea why she does it.

You need basics and theres guides all over the internet. These hands showcase that you don't know much about the game and asking questions on these particular hands wont yield you much results. Go read the basics. Then trickier stuff, the good people at lp can help you.


Arirang   Canada. Apr 16 2012 18:05. Posts 1673

Hand 1
>Call
>If villain cbets a lot, you could raise flop (as you did, but.. more than minraise), float flop and do stuff later streets since you have position. There are a lot of options.
>But the villain probably sucks so if he pairs his ace, he may never go away. Playing ABC is fine.

Hand 2
>Fold
>Your hand has no equity here, and even if you get to pair an ace or king on turn, it's vulnerable on that board. You are also out of position.
>The board is so wet that the guy is probably not fucking around when he raises there.
>The move you pulled off is decent if villain raises cbet too much and if you have blockers to what the villain is repping (with showdown value). But uh.. yeh, that board.. he has it.

Hand 3
>Call
>Villain probably has it, but you beat any 9s and under that he may have spazzed with. Flush missed. And you are getting too much pot odds. Call and note.

Hand 4
>This is fine.
>The villain probably just cbet and gave up. He just doesn't have anything here.

 Last edit: 16/04/2012 18:06

xicotaSLB   Portugal. Apr 16 2012 18:11. Posts 1128

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HeRoS)eNGagE   Canada. Apr 16 2012 20:31. Posts 10896


  On April 12 2012 18:57 Apatik- wrote:
Haha I dunno maybe. I see so many people doing it.


when i see someone doing that he have a fish icon 2 sec later


mnj   United States. Apr 17 2012 00:43. Posts 3848

hand 1:
a) don't limp
b) calling in position and making him play turns is better

hand 2
a) raise preflop, to .50
b) prob cbet flop .60

hand 3
a) open to .40 (u prob should always open 4-5x bb considering people will tend to be more passive)
b) call flop is fine, call turn is fine, call river is fine. take a note

hand 4
a) i dont mind flatting flop since it's relatively dry anyway. hands that call a c/r will most liekly 2-barrel turn as well. i also dont thinmk he's going to randomly shove air on the flop either. so i think i would look to c/r turn. as played i think leading the river is fine at this limit to try and get called by a Qx, although at higher limits i still think i would go for a c/r on river


K40Cheddar   United States. Apr 17 2012 17:01. Posts 2202

hand 1:
- I don't like flatting when I'm the first to go. If I've got a playable hand like you have here I'd probably open it to about .30 to get things started off rather than limping and calling a raise.
- I don't like the reraise on the flop because you don't really want to see another diamond which takes away 2 of your optimal outs. I'd rather just flat and go from there on the turn. You don't want to commit too much on draws unless for some reason you know your going to get their whole stack. After the 3bet on the flop, your definitely owned by this guy's hand.

hand 2:
- AK is way to strong not to open up with a raise here preflop.
- As played, I have no idea why you would be betting and calling raises here when you have very little you can draw that will help you.

hand 3:
- I would make the initial raise a little bigger.
- Calling flop doesn't seem bad. Turn you can decide based on any reads you have. If you want to call turn you are going to have to call that river given the low bet because the 7 doesn't change anything really. If he shows up with a king, note that he likes to bet three streets out of position with at least top pair.

hand 4:
- check/raise flop is fine. check/call check/raise turn is probably fine too. Your line given villian checked turn is fine although I'd bet river bigger. He probably had nothing. Whenever you decide to raise, make your next bet very large and try to maximize as much as you can earn.

GGLast edit: 17/04/2012 17:02

Rapoza   Brasil. Apr 18 2012 02:51. Posts 1612

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TalentedTom    Canada. Apr 18 2012 15:39. Posts 20070

As a VERY general rule of thumb which will help you ALOT - wheneever you have a big hand at the micros - PLAY IT HUGE, either bet pot every street, or CR huge and 3 barrel all in by the river 100% of the time - when you have a weak hand or draw, play try to improve with the draw as cheap as possible, and witht he marginal hand like AK unimproved, try not to put in any money, keep the pots small

if you do that you'll crush micros preety hard

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

Rapoza   Brasil. Apr 19 2012 09:53. Posts 1612

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Pouncer Style 4 the win 

 



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