Flat or raise flop NL50?

Submitted by : el_tilon

***** Hand History for Game 11607152531 *****
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 31, 09:48:14 ET 2012
Table Speed 2410419 No DP Real Money
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 2: Emdyca $60.13 USD
Seat 4: Susan1971 $54.97 USD
Seat 1: gmgzdean $70.81 USD
Seat 5: tilonsin $108.96 USD
Seat 3: whitewar1004 $20.30 USD
Seat 6: zokoku $64.12 USD
gmgzdean posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Emdyca posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to tilonsin ]
whitewar1004 calls [$0.50 USD]
tilonsin raises [$2.50 USD]
zokoku calls [$2.50 USD]
gmgzdean calls [$2.25 USD]
Emdyca folds
whitewar1004 folds

Flop (Pot : $8.50)

   
gmgzdean checks
tilonsin bets [$6.06 USD]
zokoku folds
gmgzdean raises [$12.12 USD]
tilonsin ???

dude post hand decently... and say villains images, how do you want us to help if you dont put on important information.

On March 31 2012 21:30 xicotaSLB wrote: dude post hand decently... and say villains images, how do you want us to help if you dont put on important information.

copied

call, call turn
215 hands isn't enough for cr %.so we have to assume passive

theres no wrong way to proceed (as long as u dont fold), the most optimal +EV line will be derived from your read on his tendancies. Almost everything you do here (except fold) is +EV. In poker the better your reads are the more money you make

On March 31 2012 22:02 julep wrote: call, call turn 215 hands isn't enough for cr %.so we have to assume passive

why is a 50vpip fish even here after 215 hands,unlesss hes rebought 3-4x
215 hands is ALOT, we should have a strong read by now, futhermore this is a player we should be VERY focused on, since all the money is coming from him

gambol it up and jam it in.

call, with the Ts block so many combo draws and most of the time he had a made hand
given the odds and position we can play our hand perfectly later streets

On April 01 2012 09:07 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On March 31 2012 22:02 julep wrote: call, call turn 215 hands isn't enough for cr %.so we have to assume passive why is a 50vpip fish even here after 215 hands,unlesss hes rebought 3-4x 215 hands is ALOT, we should have a strong read by now, futhermore this is a player we should be VERY focused on, since all the money is coming from him

OP has no reads. OP mentions no metagame aspects (like could be tilted). Furthermore his winrate is probably -5BB to -10BB/100. He is expected to only lose 10-20$ in this time

On April 01 2012 22:35 julep wrote: Show nested quote + On April 01 2012 09:07 TalentedTom wrote:   On March 31 2012 22:02 julep wrote: call, call turn 215 hands isn't enough for cr %.so we have to assume passive why is a 50vpip fish even here after 215 hands,unlesss hes rebought 3-4x 215 hands is ALOT, we should have a strong read by now, futhermore this is a player we should be VERY focused on, since all the money is coming from him OP has no reads. OP mentions no metagame aspects (like could be tilted). Furthermore his winrate is probably -5BB to -10BB/100. He is expected to only lose 10-20$ in this time

theres nothing to discuss here... every option is +EV

close your eyes and click something besides fold

Is it a miniraise or did he reaise 12 more?

I would call his miniraise, having position makes it clear a good play. If you miss you might get perfect odds to call his possible turn bet.

On April 02 2012 02:56 SpasticInk wrote: Is it a miniraise or did he reaise 12 more? I would call his miniraise, having position makes it clear a good play. If you miss you might get perfect odds to call his possible turn bet.

that is a miniraise, considering the passive that this player is, I think this is super strong.

On April 01 2012 22:47 TalentedTom wrote: theres nothing to discuss here... every option is +EV

#2

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thanks for the comments

my biggest problem in this hand is timing out due to the dancing and fist pumping i'm doing and forget to click the all in button

call. you have a (sorta) monster. and most likely no fold equity. there are different trains of thought on this. however, i assume you're not playing a difficult/tricky/opponent you have much history with.

but yeah, one hell of a juicy spot to be. until turn brings 4of spades and you get shoved on.
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ALERT - just noticed stack sizes. i reraise flop w/ intention of getting it in. check behind turn if possible, bet river on solid cards (lol, that sounds retarded)... and oh, bet good river cards too...and no, i don't work for the short-person fund.

you're in position and you have a fucking monster. extracting money is dependant on the opponent and your flow. mind you, having a hand is good too heh.

how's the age-old expert advice go? "It Depends".

re-edit. now that i think hero got min-raised, there's probably more of an argument to simply call.

new edit -

I call and re-evaluate.

however, if he has talked any shit, straight up shove all up in his grill on the flop. fuck em. then grab your dick and do a whirly-bird while the river plays out

^ lol, all your posts sound like you're drunk