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Handnr: 912286
Submitted by : simplicity

***** Hand History for Game 64471084471 ***** Poker Stars
$2.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, July 12, 02:00:53 ET 2011
Table Brita II Real Money
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: scote1 $1.74 USD
Seat 2: Pusch 307 $1.11 USD
Seat 3: Hero $2.20 USD
Seat 5: Gag9 XpeHoBa $2.12 USD
scote1 posts small blind [$0.01 USD].
Pusch 307 posts big blind [$0.02 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [JsQd ]
Hero calls [$0.02 USD]
Gag9 XpeHoBa folds
scote1 calls [$0.01 USD]
Pusch 307 checks

Flop (Pot : $0.06)

   JhTh4s
scote1 checks
Pusch 307 checks
Hero bets [$0.04 USD]
scote1 raises [$0.10 USD]
Pusch 307 folds
Hero raises [$0.25 USD]
scote1 calls [$0.19 USD]

Turn (Pot : $0.60)

   JhTh4s2d
scote1 checks
Hero bets [$1.89 USD]
scote1 calls [$1.43 USD]
Hero wins $0.46 USD

River (Pot : $3.46)

   JhTh4s2d6h
scote1 shows Jc8c
Hero shows JsQd
Hero wins $3.33 USD from main pot

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simplicity   United Kingdom. Jul 12 2011 15:13. Posts 27

Hey guys what you think of this?

My friend who is sort of teaching me. Told me it was horrible. However, I knew he had a weaker Jx then me and that he would call if I shove on turn. Especially when he checked on turn. Like when he checked on the turn I knew I was ahead.

But, my friend says it was terrible.

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redrain0125   Canada. Jul 12 2011 15:16. Posts 5455

then stop him from teaching you asap


SoC   United Kingdom. Jul 12 2011 15:18. Posts 999


  On July 12 2011 14:16 redrain0125 wrote:
then stop him from teaching you asap



Are you saying this hand was played in anyway near optimal? Everything about it is terrible in my eyes...


HaiVan   Bulgaria. Jul 12 2011 15:20. Posts 2083


  On July 12 2011 14:18 SoC wrote:
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Are you saying this hand was played in anyway near optimal? Everything about it is terrible in my eyes...


He won all the money. U JELLY?

Poker chobo. 

simplicity   United Kingdom. Jul 12 2011 15:29. Posts 27

I love this forum. But, SoC is right. Even if I did win the money.


SpasticInk   Sweden. Jul 12 2011 15:40. Posts 6298

I would probably not 3-bet flop. Call flop when you get raised. If checked to on turn, bet around potsize again.


terrybunny19240   United States. Jul 12 2011 15:52. Posts 13829

u should learn about ranges and combonitorics youngling

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redrain0125   Canada. Jul 12 2011 16:39. Posts 5455


  On July 12 2011 14:18 SoC wrote:
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Are you saying this hand was played in anyway near optimal? Everything about it is terrible in my eyes...


how can you even judge whats terrible and whats not lol


soberstone   United States. Jul 12 2011 16:50. Posts 2662

The first thing is to learn not to open limp, ESPECIALLY in 4-max


jeffv8x_-_16   Belgium. Jul 12 2011 16:54. Posts 2835


  On July 12 2011 15:39 redrain0125 wrote:
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how can you even judge whats terrible and whats not lol



He has eyes and a brain............ atleast i think he has them?

how can u shove the river, he cant possibly call with worse -TalentedTom 

simplicity   United Kingdom. Jul 12 2011 17:15. Posts 27


  On July 12 2011 15:50 soberstone wrote:
The first thing is to learn not to open limp, ESPECIALLY in 4-max



That was sort of a mistake. Normally would 3 bet here. I normally leave a table if there is less than 5 people, so that's why I limped there.

Also, what's so bad about open limping? My friend showed me a thread of examples of it being bad. I think I could deduce his hands. He didn't raise so it isn't AA, AK, KK, so take that out of his range. Maybe, take out QQ, JJ since I hold QJ.

The bet on flop suggest he has Jx. When I raised he didn't shove me all in even with flush to scare him. So he hasn't got something like two pair. So got him on something weaker than me. 2 flop, that didn't scare me as he checked even through flush could come in the river. Hence, I shoved since he would probably call with a weaker Jx.

See even through I open limped I could narrow his hands down taking away the problem with open limping, which is that the guy could beat you with crap like 23s and stuff like that.


ggplz   Sweden. Jul 12 2011 18:30. Posts 16784

Just because u leave the table when it drops below 5 handed doesn't give u any reason to limp. Why raise QJ pre? your hand is strong 4 handed, you're able to steal the blinds often & because u have a hand here (raising for value) u can valuebet it postflop often or win with a cbet, you've got position on 2/3 of the players @ the table which is nice too.


 
I think I could deduce his hands. He didn't raise so it isn't AA, AK, KK, so take that out of his range. Maybe, take out QQ, JJ since I hold QJ.



He would prob raise those hands pre but maybe not and thats not really all ur afraid of, is it? Since it's a limped pot you generally don't want to put a shitload of money in with only 1 pair. Thats a solid gold piece of wisdom u should learn right there. Since u limped pre u are letting a lot of hands see the flop cheap so although u might be able to rule out AA/AK/KK, you're not really able to rule out stuff like T4, JT, J4, 44, KJ, AJ, KQhh, Q9hh, 98hh, Axhh. Hint: this range crushes you.


 
The bet on flop suggest he has Jx. When I raised he didn't shove me all in even with flush to scare him. So he hasn't got something like two pair. So got him on something weaker than me. 2 flop, that didn't scare me as he checked even through flush could come in the river. Hence, I shoved since he would probably call with a weaker Jx.



He didn't bet the flop. You bet the flop and he raised which doesn't suggest he has Jx, it could be any of those hands above. Also, ur assuming that he knows what he's doing. 99.99% of the 2nl players don't know shit about the game so i don't know why u think he can hand read at all or knows any betting strategy. You haven't mentioned anything about how he plays either ... some people (a lot of ppl at 2nl) are really passive and will call down here with 2 pair or 44 even and others will try to trap you by calling. You're not trying to get ur stack in here with a bare 1 pair hand so don't put in another raise (thats a 3bet) on the flop cuz all ur doing is building the pot with a mediocre hand and u may end up having to fold it... also your flop 3bet sizing is too small if u were gonna raise it.

By overbet shoving the turn you're creating a huge pot in a spot where he's probably gonna fold most of his hands now that u beat and call with the hands he was trapping you with, playing passively or didn't know what to do with (that still beats you).

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

simplicity   United Kingdom. Jul 13 2011 20:56. Posts 27


  On July 12 2011 17:30 ggplz wrote:
Just because u leave the table when it drops below 5 handed doesn't give u any reason to limp. Why raise QJ pre? your hand is strong 4 handed, you're able to steal the blinds often & because u have a hand here (raising for value) u can valuebet it postflop often or win with a cbet, you've got position on 2/3 of the players @ the table which is nice too.


I'm a huge nit so don't like raising QJ out of position. However, I'm trying to change that a lot. Yeah it was a huge mistake should have raised.


  He would prob raise those hands pre but maybe not and thats not really all ur afraid of, is it? Since it's a limped pot you generally don't want to put a shitload of money in with only 1 pair. Thats a solid gold piece of wisdom u should learn right there. Since u limped pre u are letting a lot of hands see the flop cheap so although u might be able to rule out AA/AK/KK, you're not really able to rule out stuff like T4, JT, J4, 44, KJ, AJ, KQhh, Q9hh, 98hh, Axhh. Hint: this range crushes you.


Never seen someone not raise AA, AK, KK preflop. Even if the person is extremely bad I have never seen that. See I didn't really think he would have any pair or AJ, KJ, KQ as he would have raised them. I normally never limp or only limp when I have position on everyone and they have limped before me.



  He didn't bet the flop. You bet the flop and he raised which doesn't suggest he has Jx, it could be any of those hands above. Also, ur assuming that he knows what he's doing. 99.99% of the 2nl players don't know shit about the game so i don't know why u think he can hand read at all or knows any betting strategy. You haven't mentioned anything about how he plays either ... some people (a lot of ppl at 2nl) are really passive and will call down here with 2 pair or 44 even and others will try to trap you by calling. You're not trying to get ur stack in here with a bare 1 pair hand so don't put in another raise (thats a 3bet) on the flop cuz all ur doing is building the pot with a mediocre hand and u may end up having to fold it... also your flop 3bet sizing is too small if u were gonna raise it.


I will think about that more. It's hard to explain in words, but at the time I knew he was going to call all in on turn and that he had weaker J. I will think about your comments more. My friend is saying that it is horrible and said the same thing as you did.


  By overbet shoving the turn you're creating a huge pot in a spot where he's probably gonna fold most of his hands now that u beat and call with the hands he was trapping you with, playing passively or didn't know what to do with (that still beats you).


I suppose. I have stopped donk betting the river. To be fair I thought he was going for a flush or something like that.


 

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