How do you get staked legit? & Introduction

Please be forgiving as this is my first post. I am new to the poker community, but I've been playing Texas Holdem for 7 years now. So this is 1/10 question, 9/10 introduction. I started with $1 on Pokerstars and turned it into $1380 so far mostly grinding 9 person SNG.

My plan is to play 30$/50$ SNG constantly to grind money then play in the Sunday Million weeks when I have moderate gains.

I think I have a new school of poker as it works everyone over who use standard tactics. It started with statistical analysis, and it grew when I learned how people typically play Texas Holdem. I typically lose to badbeats more than anything. In the past two days I finished like 50th in a 1000 and a 3000 person tourney. Anyone who's done the analysis on big tournaments knows you're more likely to get bad beat and lose it than you are to go deep in them. I'm just saying I can play SNG great and MTT well too.

I'm a very winning player and things are going good for me. My main problem is that I don't put as much time into playing because I'm trying to code video games in my spare time. People say you need to play a ton and you're always learning, but I have pretty much every situation solved in my style. I've never even heard of people playing the way I play as it is so effective, I can fold away premium starting hands because I have other profitable situations. Poker players who watch me play are always like,"How could you fold that preflop?" But I'm sure you guys understand the notion of,"If you're profitable in your zone, no need to even go for things out of your zone that is only moderately profitable."

If no one stakes me, I'm going to be doing well as a player. But I've heard of people getting staked in another post. Can someone tell me the pros and cons of being staked? Maybe a link discussing it. I'd like to do something like someone stakes me for some 500$ live tourneys, and they get 85% of the winnings and I get 15%. But I want to stay away from people who say,"I'll stake you 11k for the WSOP, but if you don't cash, you're going to have to pay me back or we a breaka your legs."

quality post :D:D

i suggest to move it to "ROFL Thread"

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But I want to stay away from people who say,"I'll stake you 11k for the WSOP, but if you don't cash, you're going to have to pay me back or we a breaka your legs."

i cant stop :D:D

ban

ban before someone is dumb enought to get scammed

I'm not scamming. I'm sorry you feel that way.

If you're worried about someone staking me, I promise I won't take a stake.

I'm just introducing myself, and wondering about stakes.

I don't really need a stake as much as say hello.

Links about stakes are good if you have em.

My nick in Starcraft was CrazyJim. I was a #1 Ladder player. Also I was first to 1500 wins in Warcraft3. Some people probably know me.

Usually people who get staked have a good enough reputation and are well known to minimize the chance that the staker will get scammed. Also a record of past results would be very good.

vlseph,

I didn't know that.

Should I post my pokerstars id so people know I'm profitable over hundreds of games?

I was worried that if I post my pokerstars ID and I also tell people my strategies on this site that people will come up with counter strategies to my play.

I was thinking,"I either post my pokerstars ID, or I talk strategy". I think it isn't right for me to do both.

What do you think?

,Jim

On April 13 2010 21:07 GoodNewsJim wrote: I'm not scamming. I'm sorry you feel that way. If you're worried about someone staking me, I promise I won't take a stake. I'm just introducing myself, and wondering about stakes. I don't really need a stake as much as say hello. Links about stakes are good if you have em. My nick in Starcraft was CrazyJim. I was a #1 Ladder player. Also I was first to 1500 wins in Warcraft3. Some people probably know me.

Problem is this buddy: If you are as good as you say you are, you should not need to be staked, unless you are a wicked degen.

Just ask yourself, if you were on a site for a good amount of time, would you stake a guy with 2 posts who says he is gods gift to poker?

Oh Hi Jason Ho, solved PLO now MTTS?

On April 13 2010 21:15 Carthac wrote: Problem is this buddy: If you are as good as you say you are, you should not need to be staked, unless you are a wicked degen. Just ask yourself, if you were on a site for a good amount of time, would you stake a guy with 2 posts who says he is gods gift to poker?

I'm new to the poker community, but not new to poker. I didn't know people get scammed like this. I don't know much about stakes at all. I thought getting staked meant finding people to put money down for bigger tournaments. I figure maybe someone would spot me for a half dozen Sunday millions. Or maybe someone would want me to play some live games in Vegas.

You're right, I don't need staked as I'm doing well.

I just heard someone from another thread tell someone,"Get staked" and I thought it might be for me.

I recognize you from WC3 (assuming you are who you say you are, a lot of scammers pretend to be someone reputable from SC/WC3). If you're winning on your own don't get a stake. Just keep grinding.

On April 13 2010 21:26 GoodNewsJim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2010 21:15 Carthac wrote: Problem is this buddy: If you are as good as you say you are, you should not need to be staked, unless you are a wicked degen. Just ask yourself, if you were on a site for a good amount of time, would you stake a guy with 2 posts who says he is gods gift to poker? I'm new to the poker community, but not new to poker. I didn't know people get scammed like this. I don't know much about stakes at all. I thought getting staked meant finding people to put money down for bigger tournaments. I figure maybe someone would spot me for a half dozen Sunday millions. Or maybe someone would want me to play some live games in Vegas. You're right, I don't need staked as I'm doing well. I just heard someone from another thread tell someone,"Get staked" and I thought it might be for me.

I can tell you that you cannot get staked by having your first post at this site as "stake me." People need to trust you and no one can trust you. You could be any random joe. Your best bet is to show proof that you're a winning player. Pokertableratings.com for cash or http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/ for tourneys. This shouldn't be in the Main Poker Forum, this should all be in a blog post.

Then, after your stats are proven to be true, then you have to convince potential stakers to trust you.

But the way you approached it, there is no chance and everyone is going to make fun of you.

i'm loling really hardcore )

So, am I right on this though:

I either talk strategy
or
I post my pokerstars user ID
?

I'm not sure, maybe people never see the same players in games to know their style. Yet there are things about my style that I don't want people ever knowing.

I'll talk MTT tourney strategy if people want, since its so boring, always with 9 people on the table so the dynamics hardly ever change. Its all in push AK or AQ positionally, maybe AJ if really positional. Otherwise play AA to a 2.5 raise, and hard post flop, KK and QQ similarly, but maybe if there is already a raise, go all in with KK or QQ since you don't want to get away from a flop with A or K on board.
If you get really low stack, maybe 3-5x bb, go all in positionally with 77 through TT. If you hit the big blind with 1/3 your chips into the pot, put them all in, since if you're doubling up, a 40/60 situation is beneficial. 40% x 200%(or more with antes/smallblind) = 80% of your chips as a gain which is better than 66% if you fold.

Thats pretty much my entire game of MTT. Its really easy to do, and typically either ends in a bad beat or a lost race more than anything. It really is possible to play a pure preflop MTT and get paid especially since aggression is needed when everyone else is aggressive.

I can't tell you how often I go all in with AK and I meet someone trying to push with AX. AK all in is such a great play. You just need to make sure blinds are above a certain threshold before its profitable. Remember the odds of someone getting AA or KK on you is 2/330=1/165 There are 8 other players so 8/165 ~ 1/20
So if you go all in for 1500 with AK when blinds are 10/20, your expected gain is only 30. 30 goes into 1500: 30/1500=1/50 so you're making 1/50 when AA or KK is gonna catch your but 1/20, so you're expected to lose chips in the long run. The more you can grab preflop is the more profitable AK is against AA or KK(only two hands to be worried about). I typically start making AK all in moves when the blinds are 10% of my chips or more.

I can teach anyone how to play brain dead MTT with preflop all ins, and it to be profitable. I think most people play it the same way anyway so it isn't like,"Newsflash! new poker style", its more like,"I play the same way many other people do. The major problems with MTT on pokerstars is that they're so top heavy. This means they're long shots. And long shots will eat your bankroll away unless you get extremely lucky early on.

Do the math yourself:
If you get AA every hand, and your opponent has KK every hand and has more than your chips so you double up or get eliminated from a tourney, what are your odds for winning a 25,000 person tournament?

On April 13 2010 21:36 sniderstyle wrote: I can tell you that you cannot get staked by having your first post at this site as "stake me." People need to trust you and no one can trust you. You could be any random joe. Your best bet is to show proof that you're a winning player. Pokertableratings.com for cash or http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/ for tourneys. This shouldn't be in the Main Poker Forum, this should all be in a blog post. Then, after your stats are proven to be true, then you have to convince potential stakers to trust you. But the way you approached it, there is no chance and everyone is going to make fun of you.

Hey I've already stated that I don't need staked anymore. I don't want people thinking I'm a scammer. I just assumed everyone could use staked that is any good. I thought there were maybe people out there looking for profitable talent to stake. I didn't understand what staking entailed. I don't want it.

My question is on this site:
Do people give their real IDs then also talk strategy? This seems dumb if people meet them in game.

yea u better start posting some graphs of ur stats

sweet trollin' especially like your signature bait.

On April 13 2010 21:50 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: yea u better start posting some graphs of ur stats

ok, I'm giving out my id so people can look it up on whatever site lookup they use:
JimSager

I started with $1.20 in my account back in like 2007, now I'm up to 700$ in my account after cashing 200$,250$,250$. I just cashed out last week for some RL needs. It sucks because I move down from an aggressive 50$ SNG which I had a small run going, down to 20-30$ SNGS. With some average luck, I'll be back up to 50$ SNG in a few weeks.

Again, I'm not looking for a stake. I was mostly looking for information on what stakes were. It doesn't seem like I need one in my position.

Now that I gave out my id, I won't discuss my SNG strategy. I'll talk MTT all day long though since its so boring and many people plays it the same way anyway. I don't think there is any innovation to be had in MTT. You just play them with no need to think about it.

when you get staked you only collect 50% of your profits anyway, so if you don't need the money for it then you shouldn't get it. you don't have to post your poker site ID to talk strategy, but if you are getting staked it'll likely be required.

On April 13 2010 21:47 GoodNewsJim wrote: So, am I right on this though: I either talk strategy or I post my pokerstars user ID ? I'm not sure, maybe people never see the same players in games to know their style. Yet there are things about my style that I don't want people ever knowing. I'll talk MTT tourney strategy if people want, since its so boring, always with 9 people on the table so the dynamics hardly ever change. Its all in push AK or AQ positionally, maybe AJ if really positional. Otherwise play AA to a 2.5 raise, and hard post flop, KK and QQ similarly, but maybe if there is already a raise, go all in with KK or QQ since you don't want to get away from a flop with A or K on board. If you get really low stack, maybe 3-5x bb, go all in positionally with 77 through TT. If you hit the big blind with 1/3 your chips into the pot, put them all in, since if you're doubling up, a 40/60 situation is beneficial. 40% x 200%(or more with antes/smallblind) = 80% of your chips as a gain which is better than 66% if you fold. Thats pretty much my entire game of MTT. Its really easy to do, and typically either ends in a bad beat or a lost race more than anything. It really is possible to play a pure preflop MTT and get paid especially since aggression is needed when everyone else is aggressive. I can't tell you how often I go all in with AK and I meet someone trying to push with AX. AK all in is such a great play. You just need to make sure blinds are above a certain threshold before its profitable. Remember the odds of someone getting AA or KK on you is 2/330=1/165 There are 8 other players so 8/165 ~ 1/20 So if you go all in for 1500 with AK when blinds are 10/20, your expected gain is only 30. 30 goes into 1500: 30/1500=1/50 so you're making 1/50 when AA or KK is gonna catch your but 1/20, so you're expected to lose chips in the long run. The more you can grab preflop is the more profitable AK is against AA or KK(only two hands to be worried about). I typically start making AK all in moves when the blinds are 10% of my chips or more. I can teach anyone how to play brain dead MTT with preflop all ins, and it to be profitable. I think most people play it the same way anyway so it isn't like,"Newsflash! new poker style", its more like,"I play the same way many other people do. The major problems with MTT on pokerstars is that they're so top heavy. This means they're long shots. And long shots will eat your bankroll away unless you get extremely lucky early on. Do the math yourself: If you get AA every hand, and your opponent has KK every hand and has more than your chips so you double up or get eliminated from a tourney, what are your odds for winning a 25,000 person tournament?

Do you know who ICM is? If you know who ICM is you might be able to be staked, since i trust ICM

On April 13 2010 22:11 Stroggos wrote: Do you know who ICM is? If you know who ICM is you might be able to be staked, since i trust ICM

I don't know ICM. Its cool though, I don't need staked now that I've learned what staking is. Thank you for tryin to make things happen though.

Instead of coding video games, code a poker bot. You can run it 24 hours a day on the half-dozen sites where they're allowed and just play 100% of SNGs and tournaments until you bankrupt all the fish. Easy game.

On April 13 2010 22:18 GoodNewsJim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2010 22:11 Stroggos wrote: Do you know who ICM is? If you know who ICM is you might be able to be staked, since i trust ICM I don't know ICM. Its cool though, I don't need staked now that I've learned what staking is. Thank you for tryin to make things happen though.

LOLLO!!!!!!

On April 13 2010 21:51 sniderstyle wrote: sweet trollin' especially like your signature bait.

yeah, stop feeding the troll guys. We already have plenty here.

Looking through one of your PTR hands.

List of Fails

1. You were at a .10/.25 table with 5 dollars
2. You flopped a flush and checked 2 streets
3. It was a limped pot, so you got a whopping 4x the big blind value

On April 13 2010 22:36 Carthac wrote: Looking through one of your PTR hands. List of Fails 1. You were at a .10/.25 table with 5 dollars 2. You flopped a flush and checked 2 streets 3. It was a limped pot, so you got a whopping 4x the big blind value

Good eye man. I never said I was good at a cash game! I suxxor at cash games.
I was just there to practice.
I want to get good at cash games eventually so I can play at casinos because they rarely have tourneys and always cash games.