NL50 6max, AA on 2tone T.

Submitted by : Try2BePerfect

PokerStars Game #731133083: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2012/01/01 15:16:12 ET
Table Kalm IV 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: tiarko ($39.10 in chips)
Seat 2: KRogers5 ($65.60 in chips)
Seat 3: VLADislav N ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($77.70 in chips)
Seat 5: Apotheosis92 ($53.55 in chips)
Seat 6: TessUA ($51.60 in chips)
tiarko: posts small blind $0.25
KRogers5: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
VLADislav N: folds
Hero: raises $1 to $1.50
Apotheosis92: calls $1.50
TessUA: folds
tiarko: folds
KRogers5: folds

Flop (Pot : $3.75)

   
Hero: bets $2.50
Apotheosis92: raises $5 to $7.50
Hero: calls $5

Turn (Pot : $18.75)

   
Hero: checks
Apotheosis92: bets $12.50
Hero: folds
Uncalled bet ($12.50) returned to Apotheosis92
Apotheosis92 collected $17.85 from pot
Apotheosis92: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $18.75 | Rake $0.90
Board  
Seat 1: tiarko (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: KRogers5 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: VLADislav N folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: Hero folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Apotheosis92 collected ($17.85)
Seat 6: TessUA (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)

Pretty sure folding here is the worst option possible
I like to click call here

I dislike a call, too many bad river cards and we are OOP.

Probably shove and write a note.

On January 01 2012 18:03 SpasticInk wrote: I dislike a call, too many bad river cards and we are OOP. Probably shove and write a note.

calling flop to fold blank turn is fucking terrible

like what u are hoping he bluff raises you on the flop with pure air and gives up?

On January 01 2012 21:09 mnj wrote: calling flop to fold blank turn is fucking terrible

This!!!!!!

What are your stats?

Probably simmilar to his, would sya 20/18/3.2

My reasoning why I fold:
-got a read he called on flop w OESD
-got a read that he bet 1/2 pot on turn with draw, when checked to him
-I hold both aces to nut flush draws

Wouldn't all of that indicate that draws of all sorts are in his range? If you had c/shoved turn I would think you played according to this read.

lol

I think I'd just 3bet flop and get it in. I used to flat this flop 100% and decide turn, but I realize that just gets me destroyed by their draw equity on this type of board, and my opponent's might be smart enough to realize my 3betting range here is only sets.

If you had a spot on monster read that he only has sets here and rarely any draws, you can probably just fold flop. But if he ever adjusts and you don't realize it, he's going to crush you on this texture every single time.

As for your read with the OESD, I'd expect less raises on the Qxx flop because people aren't going to play Qx like that often, and a T8x board hits more of their range than yours.

Not to pick on you in particular, but I feel like a lot of the threads in low/midstakes are some variation of "does he only have a set?"

shove flop

On January 03 2012 21:59 edzwoo wrote: I think I'd just 3bet flop and get it in. I used to flat this flop 100% and decide turn, but I realize that just gets me destroyed by their draw equity on this type of board, and my opponent's might be smart enough to realize my 3betting range here is only sets. If you had a spot on monster read that he only has sets here and rarely any draws, you can probably just fold flop. But if he ever adjusts and you don't realize it, he's going to crush you on this texture every single time. As for your read with the OESD, I'd expect less raises on the Qxx flop because people aren't going to play Qx like that often, and a T8x board hits more of their range than yours. Not to pick on you in particular, but I feel like a lot of the threads in low/midstakes are some variation of "does he only have a set?"

That's probably because most lowstakes regs dont play super aggro :3

On January 03 2012 21:41 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: lol

On January 03 2012 21:59 edzwoo wrote: I think I'd just 3bet flop and get it in. I used to flat this flop 100% and decide turn, but I realize that just gets me destroyed by their draw equity on this type of board, and my opponent's might be smart enough to realize my 3betting range here is only sets. If you had a spot on monster read that he only has sets here and rarely any draws, you can probably just fold flop. But if he ever adjusts and you don't realize it, he's going to crush you on this texture every single time. As for your read with the OESD, I'd expect less raises on the Qxx flop because people aren't going to play Qx like that often, and a T8x board hits more of their range than yours. Not to pick on you in particular, but I feel like a lot of the threads in low/midstakes are some variation of "does he only have a set?"

As for beeing exploited in this spot, I think it would be extremly hard for him. How he is going to exploit me here, if earlier he played passively his draw, by calling flop, and betting small turn and river blanks, he saw my calldown with TPTK. There is possibility that he exploits my tightness, but if does it's pure luck, that he decided to play agressively his draw now, and I have pocket aces. He seemed to bo somewhat regular, not a crazy maniac that randomly clicks buttons -> why would he suddenly change the way he plays his draws. Of course he might be adjusting, but how? After seeing me "traping/ check-calling his bluffs, he gonna now raise and bluff? -seems ridiculous.
My point is, that I expect him to play simmilar to what I've seen, and definitely rather tighter than agressive, if he adjust somewhat after my calldowns.
And, there are not so many good draws with which he might raise/continue(97s, J9s QJs -3 or 6 hands), and much more made strong hands he want to play fast on this drawy board (sets- 18, 2pairs -2)

On January 03 2012 21:03 soberstone wrote: My reasoning why I fold: -got a read he called on flop w OESD -got a read that he bet 1/2 pot on turn with draw, when checked to him -I hold both aces to nut flush draws Wouldn't all of that indicate that draws of all sorts are in his range? If you had c/shoved turn I would think you played according to this read.

well...

"-got a read he called on flop w OESD" - he raised flop
"-got a read that he bet 1/2 pot on turn with draw, when checked to him" - he bet much more than 1/2 pot, which indicates a different hand than a draw, since with draw he had bet 1/2 pot (it doesn't give 100%, but increase the probability)
"-I hold both aces to nut flush draws" - I am taking away all Axs which might raise as semi bluffs, if we only count Axs that had a FD on flop, I am taking away 11 combinations, that's almost all drawing hands he has in his semi bluff range, since I dont expect him to semi bluff raise with a lot of Kxs Qxs.

given that hero has Ac and Ah I think it will significaly cut down number of his flush draws that he will raise on the flop
so given his stats and your reads etc.. folding on the flop is fine

On January 05 2012 11:24 Try2BePerfect wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2012 21:59 edzwoo wrote: I think I'd just 3bet flop and get it in. I used to flat this flop 100% and decide turn, but I realize that just gets me destroyed by their draw equity on this type of board, and my opponent's might be smart enough to realize my 3betting range here is only sets. If you had a spot on monster read that he only has sets here and rarely any draws, you can probably just fold flop. But if he ever adjusts and you don't realize it, he's going to crush you on this texture every single time. As for your read with the OESD, I'd expect less raises on the Qxx flop because people aren't going to play Qx like that often, and a T8x board hits more of their range than yours. Not to pick on you in particular, but I feel like a lot of the threads in low/midstakes are some variation of "does he only have a set?" As for beeing exploited in this spot, I think it would be extremly hard for him. How he is going to exploit me here, if earlier he played passively his draw, by calling flop, and betting small turn and river blanks, he saw my calldown with TPTK. There is possibility that he exploits my tightness, but if does it's pure luck, that he decided to play agressively his draw now, and I have pocket aces. He seemed to bo somewhat regular, not a crazy maniac that randomly clicks buttons -> why would he suddenly change the way he plays his draws. Of course he might be adjusting, but how? After seeing me "traping/ check-calling his bluffs, he gonna now raise and bluff? -seems ridiculous. My point is, that I expect him to play simmilar to what I've seen, and definitely rather tighter than agressive, if he adjust somewhat after my calldowns. And, there are not so many good draws with which he might raise/continue(97s, J9s QJs -3 or 6 hands), and much more made strong hands he want to play fast on this drawy board (sets- 18, 2pairs -2)

I answered that in my first sentence. Any reg that plays draws the same way no matter the board texture is probably a bad reg. With no real history against a seemingly straightforward reg, I would personally flat J9 on QTx and raise it on T8x. It's not a matter of adjusting, but playing in a way where you can rep a hand. Remember the QTx flop hits your range pretty hard since you're the pfr, and the T8x hits villain's range more than it hits yours.

Against some people, I think u could just fold flop. I mean, if you are THAT SURE his range is sets 95% of time, just fold flop. But calling and c/f a blank turn is never good.

On January 06 2012 12:43 GoTuNk wrote: Against some people, I think u could just fold flop. I mean, if you are THAT SURE his range is sets 95% of time, just fold flop. But calling and c/f a blank turn is never good.

this

good fold, he prob had queens or kings

On January 08 2012 17:59 TalentedTom wrote: good fold, he prob had queens or kings

LMAO

On January 08 2012 17:59 TalentedTom wrote: good fold, he prob had queens or kings

How often in % would you say he slowpays them before flop? Maybe here I made the biggest mistake, estimating that he does not play them that way too often.

TcJc imo. Cant believe you fold this. wtf If you fold this in all these spots, its super bad leak. Sure you "might" be right this time, but its still a terrible fold..

Try2BePerfect, your some kind of super-smart moron

leave him alone guys. he's trying to play perfect.

Yea I see OPs point and everything (and I think you guys are too hard on his thought process since there are people against which this line is fine even though they're not many). But yea, I see him doing this for value with worse made hands and some very strong draws more then he has sets. AA and AT is not the same on this board, so to speak.