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I'll go ahead and say that for most straight-forward regs playing against other straight-forward regs, this is a fairly standard fold. I don't ever see this being a random flush shoving for value. It's either a bigger hand than what we have or a reg spazzing out and tryig to bluff, figuring we need a monster to call. Of those two, I don't really see the latter happening all that often without some relevant dynamics. I'd just pitch this hand because of all monsters possible on this board, ours is the weakest. Bottom line, in this spot, against a regular with no relevant history, I am looking for a reason to call, not for a reason to fold. Look at this situation and saying "we have a FH" is pretty meaningless.

As for this hand being unimportant or whatever, I really don't know wtf that's supposed to mean. Yes, you will not be in this specific situation all that often. But you will routinely encounter situations where you have a very strong hand for the board but are facing action that suggests your hand may not be good. The ability to evaluate those types of spots is pretty important because losing 2/3 of a buyin every few days adds up. Say you play NL100 and have 5 of such spots in a month, losing about 60% of your stack each time on a call. That's $300, or 3 buyins. Assuming you are a very solid winner at your stakes and win 3PTBB/100, you need to play 6k hands to make it back. For many people that's at least 2 days of play. That qualifies as significant in my book.

What I will agree with is that it is perfectly possible to be a solid winning player even if you make the wrong decision every time in this spot. In fact, I would wager most regulars do. In fact, it's for that reason that it's fine--you just win it all back in the long-run because you are on the winning end of these coolers.

Another thing I say is that this forum has effectively died since the US players lost their ability to play online. There are far fewer new threads (barely any) and very little solid discussion within those threads. In that context, angry comments and condescending attitude are not doing this forum any favors. Despite what some mods may believe, it's the new players who keep this community running.

very good post phexac!

regarding the hand,i would think about it 2-3 sec at most and then fold given its 100NL and reg is str8forward.
And it really looks like that could be a Royal Flush btw

On September 20 2011 17:31 TheHuHu3 wrote: If Tom says call, you fucking call.

it doesn't feel like we beat any of his value range, considering he raised early position and he's using this stupid ass weirdo line... I dunno

I would guess probably fold unless villain is very very good (which he probably isn't since he's playing low stakes)

People jumping on hate bandwagons isnt very helpful but in this particular case tom did give good advice in explaining how meaningless and irrelevant those stats given in OP are so it has value after all.

Phexac: Im not sure that is the correct way to look at it since for those numbers to be true these decisions need to be 100% wrong, meaning we are beat 100% of the time and since it almost never is this clear cut the figures are likely much lower.

As for the hand itself I kinda like a fold tbh but wouldnt feel horrible if called either.

On December 10 2011 07:45 EvilSky wrote: People jumping on hate bandwagons isnt very helpful but in this particular case tom did give good advice in explaining how meaningless and irrelevant those stats given in OP are so it has value after all. Phexac: Im not sure that is the correct way to look at it since for those numbers to be true these decisions need to be 100% wrong, meaning we are beat 100% of the time and since it almost never is this clear cut the figures are likely much lower. As for the hand itself I kinda like a fold tbh but wouldnt feel horrible if called either.

Obviously, the example is an oversimplification. Basic point is that, with the volume of hands we play online, those oddball spots really add up.

On December 10 2011 07:45 EvilSky wrote: People jumping on hate bandwagons isnt very helpful but in this particular case tom did give good advice in explaining how meaningless and irrelevant those stats given in OP are so it has value after all. Phexac: Im not sure that is the correct way to look at it since for those numbers to be true these decisions need to be 100% wrong, meaning we are beat 100% of the time and since it almost never is this clear cut the figures are likely much lower. As for the hand itself I kinda like a fold tbh but wouldnt feel horrible if called either.

I am excited about any TT advice as anybody else, this thread in isolation isn't too hateful/bashing indeed, but I still think in general this has a lot to do with LP poker discussion forums being inhabited mostly by rolling tumble weeds...
(I can also easily think of about 5-6 B. Leb. quotes that fit well in this post!)

hmm - would you guys perfer if i toned down my posts? i dont re-read what i write, it's just spur of the moment type stuff, nothing is personal ever (so please dont take anything personally). just writing my thoughts objectivley. Just a few things which i really dont like, bad beat posts, and people calling regs "standard regs" or "standard fish" cause taht makes no sence to me - IMO if you find youself calling people you play iwth everyday "standard reg" or you played 1k hands with someone and all you know about them is that they are 20/17 you should cut down the number of tables you play

1: In a funny spot like this I'm just going to fall back on good ol' ranges and combos here. One combination of the royal flush makes the most sense and 6 combos of A2, reducing to say 4 on average since he often folds the offsuit versions pre. Anything else strong would be even more spazzy than a bluff here so I'd feel weirdly justified in calling if I saw a non-royal flush somehow. This is simply not enough combos compared to the chances of seeing Jx with a diamond or similar med/weak strength c/cing hand turned bluff. I'd feel very happy clicking call once I'd thought that stuff through.

2: More on flop.

3: More on turn.

On December 12 2011 00:06 TalentedTom wrote: hmm - would you guys perfer if i toned down my posts? i dont re-read what i write, it's just spur of the moment type stuff, nothing is personal ever (so please dont take anything personally). just writing my thoughts objectivley. Just a few things which i really dont like, bad beat posts, and people calling regs "standard regs" or "standard fish" cause taht makes no sence to me - IMO if you find youself calling people you play iwth everyday "standard reg" or you played 1k hands with someone and all you know about them is that they are 20/17 you should cut down the number of tables you play

I definitely agree that people tend to not do a good job of keeping track of history and identifying relevant aspects of that history. As for the tone of your posts, I know it never really bothered me, but I think in this case a person unfamiliar with this forum or your posts will likely not get where you are coming from. I guess the bottom line here is, since this is LP, certain level of abrasiveness is fine as long as people are pretty clear why.

Still feel it's a call!!

Results?

tom is not only insightful but also hilarious

don't see how anyone could not enjoy his posts

Hey guys thanks for the replies. I know that this hand wasn't very interesting, I only wanted to know how people would react to this situation.Also about stats: I am not a stat guy at all; I closed my eyes and randomly picked two of those, hoping to help lol.
Regarding to reads,I don't know what I should have paid attention to.This line was so odd to me therefore I had no idea how to react.Obviously i had no clue how he plays monotone boards (this could still be irrelevant?). As far as results concerned,he had AJ

If i'm tilted I call here. If i'm not tilted i prob muck here after raging a bit on the inside.

If i'm slightly tilted then i'd probably swear outloud multiple times and fold...unless i'm in tilt level 2. then it's a "FUCK; ASLDJGA;SLDGJSDGJ" then rage jam

AJ is very credible here but just one hand, gay spot snap it

what % of unsuited a2 do you estimate he raises pre; kinda nitty so if hes playing a lot of tables he folds that sometimes? or just never not opening an ace there

On December 12 2011 00:06 TalentedTom wrote: hmm - would you guys perfer if i toned down my posts? i dont re-read what i write, it's just spur of the moment type stuff, nothing is personal ever (so please dont take anything personally). just writing my thoughts objectivley. Just a few things which i really dont like, bad beat posts, and people calling regs "standard regs" or "standard fish" cause taht makes no sence to me - IMO if you find youself calling people you play iwth everyday "standard reg" or you played 1k hands with someone and all you know about them is that they are 20/17 you should cut down the number of tables you play

no, don't ever tone down ur posts plz

Tom stop playing stupid Horde mode, and play some team deathmatch with me and my bro!