Open Limping (Not Trolling, I Promise) - Page 2

[vital]myth has cardrunner video's on limping . & limping behind .
Should check that out .

i think its just bad play style i cant think much deeper then giving the 10/20 regs at the commerce much more thought then that.

i think it would be kind of interesting if we can form some kind of discussion where the idea of some circumstance makes limping a more +ev play then opening online and live.
similarally to what stroggoz posted earlier

On November 29 2011 02:51 casinocasino wrote: One thing I want to mention is that their is 1 special occasion when you have a 80vpip whale directly to your left, and u can start limping and having him or others isolate you, and then you can have a very profitable call or squeeze.

wow, your almost there.

keep working that poker mind.

I'm not a strong advocate of limping, but it's an exploitable play that's good to mix into your game at all levels.

anyway, on to the next Cosmo strategy post.

On November 29 2011 04:54 kaboom wrote: I'm not a strong advocate of limping, but it's an exploitable play that's good to mix into your game at all levels. anyway, on to the next Cosmo strategy post.

lol, you not going to get any strategy from me. just seeking answers

On November 29 2011 04:54 kaboom wrote: I'm not a strong advocate of limping, but it's an exploitable play that's good to mix into your game at all levels. anyway, on to the next Cosmo strategy post.

On November 29 2011 04:54 kaboom wrote: I open limp all the time in lots of different scenarios

You say you've played against this strategy before, do you really find it difficult to play against? Imho its very easy to play against, especially once you get an idea of their ranges.

It might be an interesting option to limp vs these 40bb shorties altho I havent done the math...

On November 29 2011 03:54 zionlll wrote: [vital]myth has cardrunner video's on limping . & limping behind . Should check that out .

Nice joax

On November 29 2011 07:14 EvilSky wrote: You say you've played against this strategy before, do you really find it difficult to play against? Imho its very easy to play against, especially once you get an idea of their ranges. It might be an interesting option to limp vs these 40bb shorties altho I havent done the math...

Very good post

On November 29 2011 06:08 casinocasino wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2011 04:54 kaboom wrote: I'm not a strong advocate of limping, but it's an exploitable play that's good to mix into your game at all levels. anyway, on to the next Cosmo strategy post.   On November 29 2011 04:54 kaboom wrote: I open limp all the time in lots of different scenarios

did you even read past the first sentence.

I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to you.

if you want to nitpick at what I'm trying to contribute, just ignore my posts.

I was going to put something condescending here, but what's the point.

one situation (not many) that come to mind is if you have a huge whale on your right, and a shortstacker right after him, you wanna play a lot of pots, but if you raise / whale calls, SS shove range is super wide / annoying, may be a spot where you wanna start open liming hands like weak Axss, or 89s type hands

The main problem with trying to form a limp-raising strategy to me is that it's hard to predict how your opponents will adjust so you would have to systematically approach a ton of situations individually depending on opponent. Tough thing to do when OOP (and multitabling). Especially since it takes quite a bit of hands played that way to establish anything more than guessing. If you were now to limp-raise in your regular online game it's hard to say whether your opponent will take that as you misclicking and then trying to make the best of it or being creative w/ AA, or tilting.

When people say you should be unpredictable to your opponents I think that's not entirely true. When you're unpredictable to your opponents you can't predict their reaction to your play either and your goal is to take the line that you predict will make the most money.

Trying to have a balanced limp-raising range is an interesting idea though and would be very cool to see someone use it effectively.

What would be the point of having a balanced limp-raising range tho? what are we trying to achieve and what part of our range does it benefit?

The coolness factor. :D How awesome would it be to see a winning reg constistently limp-raise other regs?

But in all honesty I haven't thought much about it, some people might adapt really badly to it, I don't know. I might test it on smaller stakes some day.

Open limping early position is probably the optimal game theory play in tough 9handed games. I doubt most would be able to pull it off though.

Sharknebulah kinda pulls it off!

open limping stuff like 67o is profitable in spots such is these: you are playing 10/20 and you casually throw in a black chip. later when there is more action claim its a raise. now your hand is extremely deceptive! watch the flop come 667 and stack 56 for a billion blinds because they put you on AA. yumyum.

also if they raise your "limp" you can limp rr allin. watch them fold KK and then casually flip over your hand. then exploit your image and win money. yumyum.

Kelisitaan

On November 29 2011 07:14 EvilSky wrote: You say you've played against this strategy before, do you really find it difficult to play against? Imho its very easy to play against, especially once you get an idea of their ranges. It might be an interesting option to limp vs these 40bb shorties altho I havent done the math...

This thread is to get a general idea of their ranges so I can play better vs it.

On November 29 2011 14:11 tomson wrote: The coolness factor. :D How awesome would it be to see a winning reg constistently limp-raise other regs? But in all honesty I haven't thought much about it, some people might adapt really badly to it, I don't know. I might test it on smaller stakes some day.

I think I'm going to try and raise my coolness factor today for the lulz