vs passive fish, missed AKo, 3b.

Submitted by : Try2BePerfect

PokerStars Game #68426292699: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/10/03 14:00:02 ET
Table Caliban VIII 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: jurakc ($203.90 in chips)
Seat 2: joeberle ($525.05 in chips)
Seat 3: the clêaner ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: Mastralessio ($42.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($152.95 in chips)
Seat 6: lebowskiguy ($243 in chips)
Mastralessio: posts small blind $0.50
Hero: posts big blind $1
jurakc: posts the ante $0.20
joeberle: posts the ante $0.20
the clêaner: posts the ante $0.20
Mastralessio: posts the ante $0.20
Hero: posts the ante $0.20
lebowskiguy: posts the ante $0.20

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
lebowskiguy: folds
jurakc: raises $2.50 to $3.50
joeberle: folds
the clêaner: folds
Mastralessio: calls $3
Hero: raises $13.50 to $17
jurakc: folds
Mastralessio: calls $13.50

Flop (Pot : $37.50)

   
Mastralessio: checks
Hero: checks

Turn (Pot : $37.50)

   
Mastralessio: bets $15
Hero: ???

I wouldn't really call this flop missed; you do have 2 overs and a gut. The pot is big and he only has 25 left so just stick it in on the flop.

too much analysis for such a simple hand. Just shove flop.

i dont get why u dont shove flop

your thinking wayy to hard about a super trivial spot

On October 03 2011 16:18 handbanana21 wrote: too much analysis for such a simple hand. Just shove flop.

u are ahead a lot of the time, u will have plenty of backdoor outs if called, you will get called by worse a lot. its not even a potsize bet left...

worse ? KJ ? 9J ?
backdoor ?
but yeah ez shove

shoving flop is massively better than all other options

if he has T8o, you still have 36.85% equity. if you shove and he calls you risk $25.5 to win $63. So in fact even if you know he has a pair and is calling 95% of the time you still gotta shove. might pay to practice some maths.

This topic hurts my head.

Jesus christ you make a bazillion topics about retarded shit and after a year or whatever of you making these kind of topics you still suck shit and don't know how to handle the most MOST basic spots ever.

Flop (Pot : $37.50)

QsTd6c
Mastralessio: checks
Hero: checks


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

(btw I'm tilted as fuck)

On October 04 2011 08:56 Twisted wrote: This topic hurts my head. Jesus christ you make a bazillion topics about retarded shit and after a year or whatever of you making these kind of topics you still suck shit and don't know how to handle the most MOST basic spots ever. Flop (Pot : $37.50) QsTd6c Mastralessio: checks Hero: checks LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. (btw I'm tilted as fuck)

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wtf twisted, you could have kept that to yourself.

As for the hand I actually dont mind a check but its to induce, not so you can try and hit. With these stacks the hand is pretty much over when he calls pre, regardless of what comes you are getting it in, now you just need to figure out the best terms to do it on and checking the flop allows him to potentially bluff the hands that he would have folded to a flop shove. Shoving the flop is obviously standard as well.

nah, twisted's right

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lol my post looks so hostile now

Why is this hand in the midstakes section?

and why you didn't put him allin? O_O He's calling u with A9o and shit like that and he won't fold it but he may fold a pair of 77 or something, the minds of the fish are really weird lol

On October 07 2011 20:34 sTrAtO wrote: Why is this hand in the midstakes section? and why you didn't put him allin? O_O He's calling u with A9o and shit like that and he won't fold it but he may fold a pair of 77 or something, the minds of the fish are really weird lol

a lot of people think just because they play 100nl that it belongs in mid stakes, the quality of discussion that this hand creates belongs in micro stakes

what's the problem, you have a sick hand and he has 25 dollars left

stick it in

i dont check that flop

On October 08 2011 00:38 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2011 20:34 sTrAtO wrote: Why is this hand in the midstakes section? and why you didn't put him allin? O_O He's calling u with A9o and shit like that and he won't fold it but he may fold a pair of 77 or something, the minds of the fish are really weird lol a lot of people think just because they play 100nl that it belongs in mid stakes, the quality of discussion that this hand creates belongs in micro stakes

QFT. wtf anything but jamming flop in this hand is -ev.

On October 05 2011 03:44 EvilSky wrote: As for the hand I actually dont mind a check but its to induce, not so you can try and hit. With these stacks the hand is pretty much over when he calls pre, regardless of what comes you are getting it in, now you just need to figure out the best terms to do it on and checking the flop allows him to potentially bluff the hands that he would have folded to a flop shove. Shoving the flop is obviously standard as well.

Yeah, I agree with this. Checking isn't as bad as everyone makes it seem because you have the best hand a lot, but you don't have much fold equity because fish auto put you on AK if you jam flop. Doubt he folds any pair if you jam. So as played, jam turn and be pretty happy.

On October 15 2011 22:01 TilICollapse wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2011 03:44 EvilSky wrote: As for the hand I actually dont mind a check but its to induce, not so you can try and hit. With these stacks the hand is pretty much over when he calls pre, regardless of what comes you are getting it in, now you just need to figure out the best terms to do it on and checking the flop allows him to potentially bluff the hands that he would have folded to a flop shove. Shoving the flop is obviously standard as well. Yeah, I agree with this. Checking isn't as bad as everyone makes it seem because you have the best hand a lot, but you don't have much fold equity because fish auto put you on AK if you jam flop. Doubt he folds any pair if you jam. So as played, jam turn and be pretty happy.

I bet 77-99 folds half the time to a flop jam.