Libya - the truth - Page 9

On September 01 2011 17:54 brambolius wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2011 13:35 Baalim wrote:   On September 01 2011 11:03 brambolius wrote: lol baal, you carry atheism like a religion, how u like them apples : What an idiotic thing to say. Religiouns are based on faith, on the belief of something despise evidence, i simply believe in evidence and reason if i am presented with evidence that points that im wrong, ill quickly change my view. Ok, i dont really want to add to the derailing (like it would matter at this point ;3) so I'll keep this short and simple (I hope lol). Since you brought up "the flood", this "notion" is common in more beliefs then you would guess. These "religions" have documented this "notion" in various forms, tales, myths, and so on. But they all come down to the same thing, flood, arc, etc. Now please don't get me wrong, I'm actualy not religious, I'm just saying don't bitch about books, movies and games that you haven't read, watched or played. Edit: also these "religions" have compiled these works separately. I think this would be obvious but just to be done with it

i am very familiar with the bible, i was raised a catholic fwiw.

i dont know what you are trying to say about the flood, that it actually happened, and that all animals on earth were in a wooden boat?

^Think he was more talking talking about civilizations having endured catastrophic floods like the Black Sea deluge ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_theory ) and they orally recorded the events before eventually writing them down as religious events.

On September 02 2011 18:43 palak wrote: ^Think he was more talking talking about civilizations having endured catastrophic floods like the Black Sea deluge ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_theory ) and they orally recorded the events before eventually writing them down as religious events.

it might be, or it simply might be a common thing to claim a big purge of sinners etc, i dont think its relevant tho

On September 02 2011 18:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2011 17:54 brambolius wrote:   On September 01 2011 13:35 Baalim wrote:   On September 01 2011 11:03 brambolius wrote: lol baal, you carry atheism like a religion, how u like them apples : What an idiotic thing to say. Religiouns are based on faith, on the belief of something despise evidence, i simply believe in evidence and reason if i am presented with evidence that points that im wrong, ill quickly change my view. Ok, i dont really want to add to the derailing (like it would matter at this point ;3) so I'll keep this short and simple (I hope lol). Since you brought up "the flood", this "notion" is common in more beliefs then you would guess. These "religions" have documented this "notion" in various forms, tales, myths, and so on. But they all come down to the same thing, flood, arc, etc. Now please don't get me wrong, I'm actualy not religious, I'm just saying don't bitch about books, movies and games that you haven't read, watched or played. Edit: also these "religions" have compiled these works separately. I think this would be obvious but just to be done with it i am very familiar with the bible, i was raised a catholic fwiw. i dont know what you are trying to say about the flood, that it actually happened, and that all animals on earth were in a wooden boat?

And this is why debatingarguingdiscussing shit on the internet is useless....

No that is Not what I'm trying to say -__

lets make bets how soon they capture/hang Gaddafi?

Osama took 10 years, is Gaddaffi as good hide n seek player as Osama?

Currently International court/police/UN/US want Gaddaffi for following crimes:

Rape
Genocide

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27936.htm

On October 04 2011 19:39 maryn wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27936.htm

Ever notice how it's the people that are calling for revolution in their first world country's with the highest standard of living in the world that like to imply that a revolution in Libya would never happen because life there is so great?

Look at how many revolutions France has had - a country far more democratic and a far higher standard of living than Libya. Yet we're supposed to believe that life in Libya under a dictator was just peachy and the entire revolution was spearheaded by the western world. Absurd.

On October 05 2011 10:28 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2011 19:39 maryn wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27936.htm Ever notice how it's the people that are calling for revolution in their first world country's with the highest standard of living in the world that like to imply that a revolution in Libya would never happen because life there is so great? Look at how many revolutions France has had - a country far more democratic and a far higher standard of living than Libya. Yet we're supposed to believe that life in Libya under a dictator was just peachy and the entire revolution was spearheaded by the western world. Absurd.

Yes and USA invaded Iraq because Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, keep believing in every bs fox and CNN feeds you.

On October 05 2011 12:58 maryn wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2011 10:28 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 04 2011 19:39 maryn wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27936.htm Ever notice how it's the people that are calling for revolution in their first world country's with the highest standard of living in the world that like to imply that a revolution in Libya would never happen because life there is so great? Look at how many revolutions France has had - a country far more democratic and a far higher standard of living than Libya. Yet we're supposed to believe that life in Libya under a dictator was just peachy and the entire revolution was spearheaded by the western world. Absurd. Yes and USA invaded Iraq because Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, keep believing in every bs fox and CNN feeds you.

Yet Gaddafi was the one that shut down the internet so that the world would be blacked out on what is going on in Libya. I guess he didn't want the world to see how much everyone loved him. He sure was a lucky guy - at a time when every country in the region is having democratic revolution against their dictators, he is the only wonderful dictator of the region that had the respect and love of his people. Tell me, what do you think is going on in Syria right now?

On October 05 2011 10:28 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2011 19:39 maryn wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27936.htm Ever notice how it's the people that are calling for revolution in their first world country's with the highest standard of living in the world that like to imply that a revolution in Libya would never happen because life there is so great?

Ever noticed how you believe EVERY SINGLE WORD that comes from the news? Ever wondered if you might be lied to so that certain people can attain goods, like billions of dollars? Ever thought that is a motive for a crime against humanity? Ever thought to yourself how little of this planet you see with your own eyes in reality? Spare a minute on that while going to sleep, counting sheep like yourself.

D_smart_S' perception: the media is controlled by the government, down to every minute detail, in order to distort reality and control the population.

Reality: Clinton couldn't even get a blowjob in the oval office without the entire planet finding out.

media is controlled by money/a good story/money. govt/lobbyists have a lot of money but it doesn't mean media is controlled by govt.

amanda knox situation is a good example. not many americans have a huge incentive to try and keep up with all the pro-amanda family and friends and idiots going bust paying the media and "the evil eye-ties are trying to convict our sweet little attractive white girl of murder" is a good story. now that they are all bust and people are not gonna care about that be on the lookout for media outlets to start bringing in resident sherlock holmes to go over the actual facts and evidence and tell a new story.

On October 05 2011 15:49 D_smart_S wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2011 10:28 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 04 2011 19:39 maryn wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27936.htm Ever notice how it's the people that are calling for revolution in their first world country's with the highest standard of living in the world that like to imply that a revolution in Libya would never happen because life there is so great? Ever noticed how you believe EVERY SINGLE WORD that comes from the news? Ever wondered if you might be lied to so that certain people can attain goods, like billions of dollars? Ever thought that is a motive for a crime against humanity? Ever thought to yourself how little of this planet you see with your own eyes in reality? Spare a minute on that while going to sleep, counting sheep like yourself.

Ever notice how you believe every single word of random conspiracy theorists that have no firsthand experience, no credentials, and no possible idea of what is actually going on in Libya?

That government controlled media loves to point out that we have found no WMD in Iraq. They have conducted numerous polls of the Iraqi people that have shown the Iraqi people don't want us there, they don't like us, and that they see us as occupiers and not liberators. They have conducted numerous polls that have shown the American people's patience has grown thin with the wars in the middle east. Our all powerful government can't even plant some WMD in our Iraq for our propaganda media to sell to the people?

Instead of watching the videos produced by the kids in their parent's basement you should try watching the videos taken by people inside the Arab Spring countries that show people getting shot in the street. People were murdered while fighting for their right and you want to sweep those people under the rug just to continue your narrative about how Gaddafi is a real swell guy.

I can only say Libyans are now liberated and can start living a good life. Yeah, the hospitals and schools are gone and the streets are full of injured and disabled victims of NATO bombings, but it's for the higher good. American people get their money taken to cover the debt taken by US gov from the FED to fight Libya, and Libyans can finally live freely with tanks around them and decapitated family members. Everyone is happy except for the bankers from the Federal Reserve and weapons contracters who are pissed off at all the billions of dollars in their bank accounts. American government also seems to be on the losing side, because by the stroke of luck - they accidently found oil in Libya, just below the mass destruction weapons box. Now they are all gonna get their hands dirty with oil. Oh my, poor American Government always seem to get lucky and liberate the most oily countries in the world. Not only do they get the satisfaction of having liberated a whole country from having a calm and good life but they've also made some money out of it. Fuckin luckbox America. Captain America is here to save the world! "Who wants to be liberated? No one? I don't care, i'ma liberate all of ya!!!"

I'm not saying the U.S. isn't acting in its own interest or that the people of Libya are better off. I'm saying that glorifying Gaddafi as he murders his own people is disgusting.

Btw what do you think is happening in Syria right now? There are countless reports of people being murdered in the streets there. I guess you suppose that is more media fakery?

I wonder if Dsmart has a bomb shelter somewheres?

I talked to some Libyans on Couchsurfing as I personally never known any Libyans. None of them spoke favourably about gaddafi - they all said the guy's been displacing and killing people. However, with few I'm messaging back and forth cause I don't know how can you be unhappy if you get so much stuff for free and be living comfortably. Hopefully I will find out.

As for the whole situation... I mean... sure it's wrong but that's middle east. In the U.S people go to jail for protesting on Wall Street and I doubt the U.S system is any better. Poverty rates are much worse in the U.S than in Libya. And personally I don't believe in democracy. I'm living in a country where I can vote but nobody represents my interests and there is nobody to vote for - is it still the democracy, the system so many are fighting for ? that's BS.

As Gerald Celente put it "do you think U.S would invade Iraq if their main commodity for export was broccoli...? same goes for Libya. It was also breaking the law because congress did not pass the declaration of war. Month before the unrest Gaddafi was shaking hands with politicians of the west.

It's sad how they all sold him but hey, that's the way it is in geopolitics. You drop the soap and somebody will be there to fuck you as soon as you bend over. The big problem will be soon Israel and Turkey. Everyone is trying the best to come those two morons down and so far they managed. But the issue that will arise will be distinctive interests of the U.S and EU and the lack of imagination in managing that conflict.

On August 24 2011 14:47 D_smart_S wrote: Okay, Abuser. USA+Britain+other western governments want oil. They build a model in a different place than Libya that is an exact copy of the Green Square in Tripoli and they send the media as actors and they shoot just like in Hollywood. They now try to build momentum and destroy things so that they clear the path for the rebels and just make things like in Iraq. So they shoot the movie and we do what we do best - trust the good ol' telly. The Trojan Horse in our homes. We are the audience. If that sounds humourous to someone than how do you explain the absence of a huge sign on the wall? Video compression is laughable, you have a great shot at the wall both on the pic and in the video. And also all the testaments of hospital staff and people in the centre of Libya. Just watch the Serbian interviewer, it's around 10 mins but he goes to lots of places interviewing many people and films that nothing is like what is portrayed in the mainstream media. Al Jazeera and CNN said there were shootings in the hospital between rebels and Quaddafi forces and there weren't. Other places that were reported in the MSM to be destroyed were fine.Everyone that spoke had a story of someone hit by a NATO plane or being shot at. In this set, people outside Libya would have difficulty knowing what's going on. We can only rely on the media and so they exploit us with some Hollywood stuff. Otherwise, the sign would be there for us to see... You can watch in youtube how some idiot soldiers kill civilians for fun in Iraq, that would give you perspective on how kinky and fucked up things are.

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From A to B to C. This guy gets it!

I was just thinking the other day how come its so quiet on lybia now? must be some under the table deals going on big time