Late in tourney, BTNvSB JJ - Page 2

I think I pretty much said all the reasons why check > bet. Ur hand isn't strong enough to play for 2+ streets of value. Any card on turn/river would put u in tough decision to a bet once ur raised on the flop. So why give a chance for him to blow u off the hand? If this was 2008, i would agree that bet would've been better because not many plyrs "got it" like dudes today. U would've definately netted more money since most would opt to call flops with gutter and bet the river once checked.

Putting ur hand aside, this is a board ull most likely be getting action. Any reasonable hand beside AT AJ and some pockets will most likely be continuing the hand since they would have gutter,oesd,pair or fd. Not only that applys for him, it also applys for you(when raised). Difference is that u would also have ALOT of shit hands like J6, K8 u decided to steal from the button. So a plyr who "gets it" would know that a c/r will directly net him profit. And even when called, he should know that a lot of ur range consist of hands that's calling flop and mucking turn which nets him even more profit. So why take risk when your only info is that he's a winning reg?

Post is getting tl; dr I'm not a huge follower in balance my self but spots like these I think it's completely necessary to stay balanced when you have no info on the villain. It's not like you can reload in tourney when you get stacked. So it's best to stay away from tough spots while giving an illusion that you play a balanced game.

bb has 21 bbs, villain has 77/88 turning into a bluff and u called/were right OR he had set/AA and u got tarped

sb flat is super scary in these spots if hes a reg and doesnt know who u are, or if you are a reg and hes an unknown but seems like a reg especially considering the 21 bb stack behind both of you and guaranteed raise/reshove/fold only action that comes with being down to 40 players deep in a tourney

also dont listen to andrewsong even though he took down the sunday mil he cant cashout the money so it's like not winning it at all :D

On May 08 2011 23:10 RaiNKhAN wrote: also dont listen to andrewsong even though he took down the sunday mil he cant cashout the money so it's like not winning it at all :D

hahahaha

lol fml

1. if he has a hand with a lot of equity, we will be c/red and we do not want to be calling down with JJ. betting our hand to "protect" isn't great if we are "getting value from Kx and weak hands". If he has more equity than that we start to risk getting c/red which is horrible for us. The whole point of checking back flop is to see a safe turn where our equity advantage is higher.

We can still call turn on a K because the pot is small and we have added equity DUCY? Everyone who suggests b/c, fold to the turn barrel on K would be correct, but we would be losing more chips seeing less cards in position, which is horrible. If an unlikely Ace comes we can just fold to a single barrel by villain.

Also I assume his SB flat range here is strong. It is unlikely he has most low hearts. Villain can flat here with SB with AQs (another terrible hand that fishregs 3b) and then c/r me here.

2. i raise using these kinds of numbers every single hand. I didn't raise a "special" number this particular hand on the button with JJ. in tournaments a large % of players size bets like this.

the point of this thread was actually to talk about shoving over his river bet, which unfortunately nobody mentioned in the thread yet.

edits for clarity and profanity

well then case closed. shoving river is by far the worst option in the hand.

no but seriously, this isn't cash game. u dont have much invested and can't even use blockers to your advantage to credibly rep the nuts. he doesn't need only TJ to call ur shove. it's not like if you win this pot your gtd to cruise to final table. there's plenty of better spots to risk your chips. 46bb is very healthy stack with 40 left. there's no reason to answer to the devil and tilt it off

edit: woops

Definitely betting flop, as played though, pretty easy fold imo.

I think with over 50 bbs and a relatively small pot pf you have the right circumstances to get a little tricky. I think we should cbet flop here 100% of the time because well villain is in sb with a solid stack and probably*** could have alot of his middle range. My line would be bet fold to raise check turn and if river checked I would barrel because your line looks pretty heavy and you may see a q fold. Or fold check you do have substantial sd value but meh, I don't like checking that river if checked to me.