200NL Ez Fold?

Submitted by : MeaL

Full Tilt Poker Game #23710920700: Table Leonor - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:39:04 ET - 2010/09/07
Seat 1: Bashermann ($200)
Seat 2: Zombo ($200)
Seat 3: Sarahhh Monster ($258.10)
Seat 4: Instantdeath101 ($200)
Seat 5: Elaplayhard ($237)
Seat 6: sudden87 ($200)
Seat 7: martinirod ($136.15)
Seat 8: MeaLOwNz ($239.90)
Seat 9: PokerMoscow ($158.15)
MeaLOwNz posts the small blind of $1
PokerMoscow has 5 seconds left to act
PokerMoscow posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #7

Holecards
Dealt to MeaLOwNz
Bashermann folds
Zombo calls $2
Sarahhh Monster folds
Elaplayhard folds
sudden87 folds
martinirod calls $2
MeaLOwNz calls $1
PokerMoscow checks

Flop (Pot : $8.00)

   
MeaLOwNz checks
Instantdeath101 stands up
PokerMoscow bets $6
RunBetterVSme adds $200
Zombo calls $6
martinirod has 15 seconds left to act
martinirod calls $6
MeaLOwNz raises to $36
PokerMoscow has 15 seconds left to act
PokerMoscow has requested TIME
PokerMoscow raises to $156.15, and is all in
Zombo folds
Zombo adds $8
martinirod folds
MeaLOwNz has 15 seconds left to act
MeaLOwNz has requested TIME
MeaLOwNz folds
Uncalled bet of $120.15 returned to PokerMoscow
PokerMoscow mucks
PokerMoscow wins the pot ($89)

Summary
Total pot $92 | Rake $3
Board:
Seat 1: Bashermann didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Zombo folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Sarahhh Monster didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Instantdeath101 is sitting out
Seat 5: Elaplayhard didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: sudden87 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: martinirod (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: MeaLOwNz (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: PokerMoscow (big blind) collected ($89), mucked

HE MUST HAVE TRIP ACES.

ok dont be dumb plz if you cant give suggestions just get out thanks!

i mean it's a bad spot but i can see him doing this wit POSSIBLY T7 since it was limped as well as 78dd or 79dd but i guess ur behind his range of top two bigger sets straights and pair + gutshot + FD super draws. i'd probably call since i'm not good enough to fold a set and hate FTP when he turns of 89 but i definitely dunt think folding is a mistake here. i think given pot odds and his range, it's fold.

rarely ever a draw. multiway ur raising huge and he ships. id say its a fold coz he has better. but generally not a big fan of raise/folding as well. calling doesnt seem to smart either. lol

Don't go broke on a limp pot. Highly unlikely that you have the best hand if he is willing to stack off that flop. Fold Fold Fold.

good fold imo. i never fold here but its a good fold.

raise folding this flop is insane

how do you fold a set for 75bbs on this flop

yah.. don't raise if ur going to fold to a jam.. your pot/stack ratio is small now vs your equity.. plus you probably have boat outs really often, unless these guys limp 77, TT which seems unlikely.. just terrible

Flopped straight, trolling with nuts imo

I wish you had called so I could learn why not to lol

I think you can discount TT here because most people would raise that. But if you think he wouldnt do this with "less than 89" then i guess you can fold. I would probably call, and I would also raise less on flop.

On another note, I dont like the whole "dont go broke in a limped pot"-thinking unless you know the other player is likely to think that aswell. There are a bunch of players out there who are thinking "ive got such a good hand, id better just ship it in".

lead flop, but as played raise/folding this flop sucks so snap

Plan ahead please...You check raise the ultradrawy flop this big and then you get all surprised that you get re-raised.
Same was with your KK hand, think ahead a few streets and about your opponent it seems like you autopilot a lot and perform each action in isolation.

dont fold plz

meal buddy.. move down to 25 or 50nl & grind up/improve.. you're playing so many hands you post horribly.. either that or stick to MTTs exclusively since you seem to make money from them...

the guy is in the bb for 75bb...how is this not a call

super easy call

lead out here first of all, but after you c/r no way you can fold. besides, he's russian, russians are always terrible at poker, snap call.

because hes in the BB every combo of T7 exists in his range + its fair to assume he will shove this hand at least 50% of the time, along with straight / sets / possibly something like A8dd, A9dd, 78dd, 79dd etc...

..and

PokerMoscow ($158.15)

On September 08 2010 01:52 TalentedTom wrote: raise folding this flop is insane

lol insane in which mode good or bad?

On September 08 2010 08:22 ggplz wrote: meal buddy.. move down to 25 or 50nl & grind up/improve.. you're playing so many hands you post horribly.. either that or stick to MTTs exclusively since you seem to make money from them...

Why you care so much what i play jeez if i am here is cause i feel comfromtable and just so you know i am + in 200NL for the past few months since i ended my coaching so i am playing right. And just cause i could make one mistake dosent mean i dont deserve or whatever in your mind you think to play wherever. I'm here to get advice on how to play hands better in future just like you could probably have same problems so bah

yea cool just stick to nl200
btw.. ggplz gave you friendly advice... and realy last 3-4 threads you made are such a trivial spots so my advice would be same as his

On September 09 2010 14:11 MeaL wrote: and just so you know i am + in 200NL for the past few months since i ended my coaching so i am playing right.

Not necessarily. He was just trying to help.

On September 08 2010 14:16 Twisted wrote: ..and PokerMoscow ($158.15)

ya srsly wtf, this would be a fold vs a good reg, but as played vs a guy with 75bb named PokerMoscow is an insta ship

Meal, you can play whatever limit you like but perhaps you should try to play less tables or something. I agree with the other who have said that it looks like you dont really plan ahead. I did that for ~50k hands this summer and stopped doing it by starting to talk to myself about what I was going to do in the hand. You need so little to get those "aha" moments. But I also admit that I dont know how many tables you're playing, just stating what i've observed.

gl hf at the tables

You have 35% equity against 98; TT is not in his range, two pair can be in his range, and combo draws can be in his range. You can tweak the range to be a bit more conservative than what I put in Stove here, but I don't think you can realistically take so many of the non-77 hands out that you ever don't have odds to call.

Board: Td 7s 6d
Dead:

Hand 0: 56.070% 55.50% 00.57% 77971474 807323.00 { 6h6s }
Hand 1: 43.930% 43.36% 00.57% 60914505 807324.00 { 77, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Jd9d, Jd8d, T7s-T6s, 98s, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d5d, 76s, 5d4d, T7o-T6o, 98o, 76o }

I'm gonna get a new account called PokerMoscow, brb.

Ontopic: Would it have been smarter to just lead out and then flat a raise? Or is the discussion more in the direction of: I check-raise here to get money in, so when he ships I insta-call? Or both are fine, just the middle kinda stinks?

call pretty fast b/c of all the reasons mentioned above

he is in bb, he can have T7/T6/67 combinations, as well as draws of all kinds

and 75bb stack

dont overthink and just call

its only a fold if he has a straight or a higher set, otherwise its a call

On September 10 2010 10:58 Minsk wrote: its only a fold if he has a straight or a higher set, otherwise its a call

lol?

On September 11 2010 14:15 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2010 10:58 Minsk wrote: its only a fold if he has a straight or a higher set, otherwise its a call lol?

superuser imo

the only real set he has here is 77 since i'm assuming TT will raise a huge % of the time. most aggressive players will pop up 77 here a lot too.

that said I wouldn't feel good about getting it in here but what can we do? only one possible straight and villain ships T7 here as well. Gotta get it in yo. I'd feel good about a fold here if board was like 678 and someone shipped on you. But then you should just lead/flat the flop anyway.

As everyone said I think you took the worst possible line here by raise/folding. What did you hope to accomplish by taking this line?

On September 09 2010 22:14 Trey wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2010 14:11 MeaL wrote: and just so you know i am + in 200NL for the past few months since i ended my coaching so i am playing right. Not necessarily. He was just trying to help.

yeah i guess but it also sounds like i am getting all the time judge cause of 1 play.

On September 11 2010 19:50 YoMeR wrote: the only real set he has here is 77 since i'm assuming TT will raise a huge % of the time. most aggressive players will pop up 77 here a lot too. that said I wouldn't feel good about getting it in here but what can we do? only one possible straight and villain ships T7 here as well. Gotta get it in yo. I'd feel good about a fold here if board was like 678 and someone shipped on you. But then you should just lead/flat the flop anyway. As everyone said I think you took the worst possible line here by raise/folding. What did you hope to accomplish by taking this line?

see where i'm @ i guess?

leveling urself is always bad

Long thread, and I didn't read most of it, but bottom line is we don't fold sets to 75bb stacks, especially after we raise that flop.

"Raise to see where you're at" is horrible fish mentality, Meal. Good players don't think that way. When I realize that people are doing this, I abuse them horribly by just always reraising. They ask a question and I give them the answer I want them to hear.

Id snapcall, what if he has 2 pairs, or draw + top pair, if he has the straight, u got outs =p

gogo

On September 10 2010 10:58 Minsk wrote: its only a fold if he has a straight or a higher set, otherwise its a call

Yikes, if poker can only be played with cards face up your reading abilities would work

call.

On September 13 2010 11:47 mrpav.com wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2010 10:58 Minsk wrote: its only a fold if he has a straight or a higher set, otherwise its a call Yikes, if poker can only be played with cards face up your reading abilities would work

lol true that to much result oriented.!

On September 12 2010 21:35 Zalfor wrote: leveling urself is always bad

why am i leveling my self cause i am playing i feel comfrotable in?

The point is, stop posting useless hands... whats the question, is it a fold? its only a fold if he has a straight or a higher set, otherwise its a call. How are we suppose to help you? Its a straight up math range question except were all going to come up with different ranges...your ranges should be best from actually playing with him...so what is there to discuss exactly?

The extreme analogy for this post is like god asking humans for the meaning of life...

On September 13 2010 15:08 Minsk wrote: The point is, stop posting useless hands... whats the question, is it a fold? its only a fold if he has a straight or a higher set, otherwise its a call. How are we suppose to help you? Its a straight up math range question except were all going to come up with different ranges...your ranges should be best from actually playing with him...so what is there to discuss exactly?

uhh using this logic you could say every single hand that's posted is pointless

the hands which give useful discussion are hands like "how should i proceed" where people can discuss different ranges & betsizings with their benefits because there is valid different ways to proceed and different ways to balance and different levels you can use etc...whereas hands like this are just "what do you guys think he has" like theres nothing to discuss here...we can argue 3 days whether he will do this with 85o but in the end the poster has the best information...

but everything you said about this hand can still be said about more "constructive" hands, it's exactly the same concept, you just view this hand as more simplistic.

On September 13 2010 15:18 Minsk wrote: the hands which give useful discussion are hands like "how should i proceed" where people can discuss different ranges & betsizings with their benefits because there is valid different ways to proceed and different ways to balance and different levels you can use etc...whereas hands like this are just "what do you guys think he has" like theres nothing to discuss here...we can argue 3 days whether he will do this with 85o but in the end the poster has the best information...

discussing different ranges is pretty much asking 'what do you guys think he has' lol

yeah the arugement i used above doesnt explain waht i meant well ... its not a simplistic or complex thing its something else maybe like open & closed questions or something

the best example i remember, here its open ended question you can decide numerous balanced ranges or unbalanced ranges / future metagame implications etc, like useful discussion can be had fromt his hand
http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/866801/NL400_-_Turn_KK_into_bluff_.html

there is some fundamental difference between these two hands, i cant put a word on it but its there its not because this is a simple hand though, its something about there being nothing to talk about

discussing different ranges is pretty much asking 'what do you guys think he has' lol

i meant your ranges

Hero needs to learn to use pokerstove, a lot of hands posted here can easily be calculated using pokerstove ;-0

even against a very pesimistic range this is a snap call

minsk it just sounds like youre throwing random poker terms out there.

just cause i said ez fold i aint asking just if its a fold or not i am actually asking how should it be played. Against such a wide range of hand.

Played flawlessly aside from the fold.