I'm super fishy here. Help with this hand please!

Submitted by : groceryheist

Full Tilt Poker Game #23682943321: Table Thin - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:07:26 ET - 2010/09/06
Seat 1: Hero ($0.75)
Seat 2: rav84 ($2.88)
Seat 3: JaviGr ($2.04)
Seat 4: lostidea10 ($1.99)
Seat 5: HannahBeeh ($2.03)
Seat 6: Panshovel68 ($2.21)
Seat 7: Vilma73 ($2.25)
Seat 8: shengfa23 ($1.31)
Seat 9: adm13 ($5.23)
HannahBeeh posts the small blind of $0.01
Panshovel68 posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #4

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Vilma73 folds
shengfa23 folds
adm13 calls $0.02
Hero calls $0.02
rav84 folds
JaviGr folds
lostidea10 folds
HannahBeeh calls $0.01
Panshovel68 has 15 seconds left to act
Panshovel68 has timed out
Panshovel68 checks

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.08)

   
HannahBeeh bets $0.08
Panshovel68 folds
Panshovel68 is sitting out
adm13 raises to $0.32
Hero calls $0.32
Panshovel68 has returned
HannahBeeh calls $0.24

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $1.04)

   
HannahBeeh checks
adm13 bets $0.78
Hero calls $0.41, and is all in
HannahBeeh raises to $1.69, and is all in
adm13 calls $0.91
HannahBeeh shows
adm13 shows
shengfa23 has been disconnected
Hero shows
shengfa23 has reconnected

River (Pot : $4.83)

   
HannahBeeh shows three of a kind, Jacks
adm13 shows a full house, Sixes full of Jacks
adm13 wins the side pot ($2.39) with a full house, Sixes full of Jacks
Hero shows a flush, Ace high
adm13 wins the main pot ($2.12) with a full house, Sixes full of Jacks

Summary
Total pot $4.83 Main pot $2.27. Side pot $2.56. | Rake $0.32
Board:
Seat 1: Hero showed and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: rav84 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: JaviGr didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: lostidea10 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: HannahBeeh (small blind) showed and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: Panshovel68 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Vilma73 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: shengfa23 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: adm13 showed and won ($4.51) with a full house, Sixes full of Jacks

fold preflop and fold to the raise and reraise on the flop
oh and buyin full for $2

buy in full. dunt limp. dunt coldcall raises with a flush draw when u could easily be drawing dead on a paired board. also, when u call that flop, wat were u gonna do when a 4h hit the turn and u only had 41 cents in? i would realli recommend reading up or watching some videos on basic TAG play and u should be more than fine for beating nl2.

you're doing everything wrong

id buy in full (when you have a good hand you want the opportunity to win the maximum from worse players. also deeper stacks allow for more skill). with a full stack i think limping behind this hand is fine. itd only suck if theres lots of ppl behind you who are gonna isolate you, but i imagine that wont be the case at nl2.

this is bad... if you really want to play better first you have to know the basic for us to explain and u understand 100%, imo you should buy a book (dan harrington on cash games is rly good).

watch some free videos, here on LP there are a few http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/503715/LP_Vid_Thread.html they are old but still good for starters.

and read these:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69/.../moving-up-through-unl-2010-a-676130/
http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/503715/LP_Vid_Thread.html
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32/...rs-questions/anthology-thread-340027/

good luck and have fun while learning since that will be the only reason for you to play poker in some months even if read these exhaustively.

This hand is so bad from the start that you ain't buying full WTF you can't buy for full stack on 2nl don't play poker at all you just going to be a fish forever.

read jelle's beginner articles under the articles section. It will get you a basic start as well as restore some confidence.

raise preflop to facilitate isolation and also in the service of extracting value and to force others to define their hands.

make a flop decision based on what it is that you want to do, either extract value or to take the fold equity that you know to be there, or to see a turn card if the math is there to support that decision.

on the turn you make your stack decision. in this case, there is no decision, the money must go in.

play full stack...
fold pre, fold flop, fold turn......obv fold river.

folding pre is insane

fold the flop though, turn is obv a call

On September 07 2010 14:26 sawseech wrote: raise preflop to facilitate isolation and also in the service of extracting value and to force others to define their hands. make a flop decision based on what it is that you want to do, either extract value or to take the fold equity that you know to be there, or to see a turn card if the math is there to support that decision. on the turn you make your stack decision. in this case, there is no decision, the money must go in.

Do you really want to isolate with a hand that's going to make a huge draw or lose to a top pair?

Pre call is fine imo, if it was AK suited it'd be different but it's A5 suited, which you really don't want to be "isolating" and "defining" hands with because if you nut flush here you're not losing to hands like AK/AQ, only... well, pocket pairs that flop a boat.

And the other dangerous thing here is that if even if they both only have trips they still have 9 outs each (assuming they took each other's jacks and are not sharing a kicker) so even though the nut flush looks enticing and you're like ACE HIGH BABY you should probably still fold the flop and turn given the action.

when you call other people also call and you also probably have to fold to a raise some of the time. you also remove alot of strong attack possibilities after the flop against most opponents.

it's almost never wrong to attack in any sort of reasonable situation, to attack in these spots is almost always the best and safest thing u can do.

Yes, when you call other people also call, and that's what you want when you're drawing at a nut flush. What's the point in making a nut flush if you've only got one guy in there with high cards? How can you make any money? If you DON'T make the flush (4/5 times) what do you do?

It's better to invest 0.02 here and pump it after you hit the flush rather than pumping it early and having to fold to a bet when the flop comes rainbow A96 or something. Think about the logic of drawing cheaply.

On September 07 2010 20:00 sawseech wrote: when you call other people also call and you also probably have to fold to a raise some of the time. you also remove alot of strong attack possibilities after the flop against most opponents.

I mean, I just don't see how raising is better because A) you still have to fold to a large raise and B) if they bet post-flop and you call and it's the same amount as if you had raised pre, didn't you just see a free street in comparison? They're still going to bet when they hit and it's not like them running a bluff on you is a big deal, you've invested one big blind and you can just throw it away when there's no flush possible and you don't hit 2p/trips. You're going to extract most of your value on this hand when you catch a monster draw on a pot with lots of people in it, not heads up against a guy who has a strong hand.

yes you are correct about everything i admit it

lol ignore sawseech and broke insane trolls in general

my shits are smarter than you vitara

i bet OP is never even gonna read the advice posted in this thread although him following it will prob save him weeks if not months of pain.

maybe he's a rich sociopath and so he doesn't feel pain, at least not over poker

On September 08 2010 02:14 sawseech wrote: maybe he's a rich sociopath and so he doesn't feel pain, at least not over poker

haha embrace the pain!

No I read it. It seems like sawseech was trolling though. The person who posted the videos was helpful as well. I'm now playing full stack and breaking even.

this is a troll:

i think ur an obama lover. what do you think about obama being a muslim, since the seed of islam is passed down from the father to the son?

idiot. have a nice life. gl.

ban plz