nl100 3bet pot with bluff catcher

Submitted by : wakamaru

***** Hand History for Game 23655133631 ***** (Full Tilt)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 05, 09:50:05 ET 2010
Table Adrenaline (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: davisson444 ( $61.50 USD )
Seat 2: JPcontender ( $42.70 USD )
Seat 3: ApolloFlow ( $114.75 USD )
Seat 4: BlueCalvus ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 5: Hero ( $168.55 USD )
Seat 6: wheatrich ( $233.20 USD )
Seat 7: Cavsfan83 ( $42.00 USD )
Seat 8: toIncase ( $135.30 USD )
Seat 9: NovemberRainMan ( $103.15 USD )
BlueCalvus posts small blind $0.50 USD.
Hero posts big blind $1.00 USD.

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
wheatrich folds
Cavsfan83 folds
toIncase folds
NovemberRainMan folds
davisson444 folds
JPcontender folds
ApolloFlow raises $3.00 USD
BlueCalvus folds
Hero raises $10.00 USD
ApolloFlow calls $8.00 USD

Flop (Pot : $21.50)

   
Hero bets $13.00 USD
ApolloFlow calls $13.00 USD

Turn (Pot : $47.50)

   
Hero checks
ApolloFlow bets $27.00 USD
Hero calls $27.00 USD

River (Pot : $101.50)

   
Hero checks
ApolloFlow bets $63.75 USD

On September 05 2010 21:47 wakamaru wrote: i also feel like he's not going to shove JJ here

?

i also dont 3bet this hand oop vs someone folding only 45% to 3bets.

On September 05 2010 22:11 joLin wrote: i also dont 3bet this hand oop vs someone folding only 45% to 3bets.

Is T9o really in your 3-bet range?

so obviously he's shoving JJ and TT here...that was an evident typo there. regarding my choice hand selection, it's pretty bad to 3bet 9To OOP vs a guy who's opening at least 35% of buttons and only folding 45% of hands. this was undoubtedly spew on my part. so wat would be a good range to 3bet vs such an opponent? wat about just defending blinds?

i'd prob 3 bet stuff like TT+, AJs+, AQo+, KJs+, KQo+ vs this guy.
also depends on what his fold to cb in 3b pots are like.

i also might be inclined to call depending on how aggressive villain is just because spades missed and so did 67. depend on dynamics i guess.

It's pretty bad to 3-bet T9o ever, really. You're not beating hands better than J2o.

call, he probably has nothing

On September 05 2010 23:47 offsuit wrote: It's pretty bad to 3-bet T9o ever, really. You're not beating hands better than J2o.

T9o is awesome for 3bet what ya talking bout boy, but should be at the top of the bottom part of polarized 3bet range, and not in oop value 3bet range as you should have vs 55% caller of 3bets.

Hope Im not too confusing lol ;D

FPS

w/ you having 900+ hands on him and 45 % call 3 bet you should by now have some clue how he plays 3-bet pots.

think most have been said here already. 1. kind of a bad hand to 3-bet w/ oop against a loose caller, i think you should increase your value-3b range against this specific opponent instead. hands like AJ/KQ/KJ/QJ etc. is a lot better.

2. i would like it if you had position though. you are gonna outplay him so often postflop it's gonna be very profitable to 3-bet many hands and play position.

3. dont understand why he wouldnt shove jj here...

4. pretty impossible for us to have a grasp about his floating frequencies etc.

Ur beat

On September 06 2010 04:50 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2010 23:47 offsuit wrote: It's pretty bad to 3-bet T9o ever, really. You're not beating hands better than J2o. T9o is awesome for 3bet what ya talking bout boy, but should be at the top of the bottom part of polarized 3bet range, and not in oop value 3bet range as you should have vs 55% caller of 3bets. Hope Im not too confusing lol ;D

Actually, could you describe the bottom part of your polarized 3-bet range for me? I understand the concept but I'm not sure what you're 3-betting with for balance if that's on the higher end lol.

It's an "ok" hand to 3bet with, I would probably go with random suited card. The big thing here is that he is pretty tight from what I see preflop, you are most likely beat on turn (I don't hate the call as you probably have out and if you have him beat he won't really bet river unless it's a draw). On river to call he has to have TONS of draw that make sens in his preflop range.

With those stats fold turn 100% I would only call with info of him 3 barreling bluff which some 14/12 I doubt would do also has played your only hoping he shuts down flop unless you obviously catch some ridiculous cards.

I think I check flop with this hand 100%

That sounds weak

Def fold turn never expect him to bet air here that's my point.

I still don't understand why it's a good hand to 3-bet out of position. T9s might be okay because you pick up more ways to win but I was always under the impression that you want to play drawing hands cheaply and in position. There's a lot of deception if you catch a straight, I see that much, but what do you gain by 3-betting this instead of just flatting? He was closing the action anyway so it's not like he was isolating anyone, are you just telling him "fuck off, don't attack my blinds" or is there some deeper reasoning there?

it's a bluff hoping he folds hands like KJ A8s etc along with all his junk button raises like J7. the 3bet is supposed to take away the positional disadvantage in the hand. flatting 9To here is pretty bad since his button raising range is soo wide, i'dhave no idea wat to do on a 942 flop and he barrels. my standard line in this spot would be to fold but i opted to randomly to 3bet as a bluff to balance out the times i do have JJ+ here.

this 14/12 maniac is def bluffing you. He floated the flop w/ air to FU bluffshove on a later street. Don't let him run over you...


but i also feel like he's not going to shove JJ here so he's value range is solely QQ+

what the fuck, he shoves QQ but not JJ? Am I missing something? Where is this feeling coming from? Is it coming from the same place that leads you to think he ever bluffs the river? You need to eliminate that source of information

i made a correction on the JJ thing, i posted that it was a typo on my part and yea tom, when u put it that way the turn seems like a def fold and the river seems like i should never have even seen it.

On September 08 2010 20:09 wakamaru wrote: it's a bluff hoping he folds hands like KJ A8s etc along with all his junk button raises like J7. the 3bet is supposed to take away the positional disadvantage in the hand. flatting 9To here is pretty bad since his button raising range is soo wide, i'dhave no idea wat to do on a 942 flop and he barrels. my standard line in this spot would be to fold but i opted to randomly to 3bet as a bluff to balance out the times i do have JJ+ here.

Actually I'm interested in how 3-betting takes away the positional advantage he has over you. Is it just because... you lead the flop after he calls?

Also I do not think you have to balance your range against this guy, it seems like when he folds 45% to 3-bet he's pretty much only playing strong hands vs 3-bets regardless of what you have. Plus if it doesn't get to the showdown because you had to fold it what's the point of balancing your range in the first place?

Anyway you should get rid of the bluff paranoia you have and you should also stop bluffing so much. You literally started this hand saying "I'm going to bluff him off of a better hand by betting huge."