MSL Grand final

Bigfile MSL Grand Final: (T)Flash vs (Z)Jaedong
Saturday, August 28th, 2010: 1800 KST / 1100 CEST / 0500 EDT / 0200 PDT

Statistics:

Flash:
Overall record: 369 wins - 155 losses (70.42%)
Vs Zerg: 126 wins - 56 losses (69.23%)
Vs Jaedong: 17 wins - 17 losses (50.00%)

Jaedong:
Overall record: 451 wins - 201 losses (69.17%)
Vs Terran: 168 wins - 96 losses (63.64%)
Vs Flash: 17 wins - 17 losses (50.00%)



< Polaris Rhapsody > ­
TvZ: 21-15 (58.3%)
Flash vs Z: 1 wins - 1 losses (50.00%)
Jaedong vs T: 5 wins - 2 losses (71.43%)

< Odd-Eye 3 > ­
TvZ: 6-2 (75%)
Flash vs Z: 1 wins - 0 loss (100.00%)
Jaedong vs T: 1 wins - 1 losses (50.00%)

< Fighting Spirit > ­
TvZ: 135-125 (51.9%)
Flash vs Z: 7 wins - 6 losses (53.85%)
Jaedong vs T: 12 wins - 4 losses (75.00%)

< Triathlon > ­
TvZ: 8-7 (53.3%)
Flash vs Z: 2 wins - 0 loss (100.00%)
Jaedong vs T: 3 wins - 2 losses (60.00%)

< Polaris Rhapsody > ­
TvZ: 21-15 (58.3%)
Flash vs Z: 1 wins - 1 losses (50.00%)
Jaedong vs T: 5 wins - 2 losses (71.43%)

Streams will be posted on TL.net when the event starts as usual.

I already placed my money on a betting site on Flash
Odds are Flash 1.95 Jaedong 1.75 which is good given the facts that all maps favores Terran over Zerg and Flash beat Jaedong 3-0 last MSL final.

Thread on teamliquid: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147792

lol those 2 in the finals once more.

ooo looks to be yet another epic final between 2 unstoppable forces.

XLBet odds (8.42% overround LOL):

Jaedong -133
Flash -105

vig free odds:

Jaedong -111
Flash +111

I'll bet on flash +111 any amount up to $300 total action.

i'll bet on Flash +110 up to $100

On August 27 2010 14:31 TenBagger wrote: 8.42% overround LOL

what does it mean ?

cant wait for more epic games

Betting on Flash seems EV+ but that would be selling my soul
GO TYRANT

big live LAN sc2 tourney with day9 has just started if you need something to kill the 10 hours before msl
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147879
http://events.mlgpro.com/takeovers/procircuit/titles/starcraft?site_id=mlgpro
bracket http://www.gotfrag.com/star/story/44920/?spage=2

i might put 5 on JD (stars) later, see if im awake for it :D

On August 27 2010 14:32 TenBagger wrote: I'll bet on flash +111 any amount up to $300 total action.

i've never learned to read the odds of the betting sites, what does +111 exactly means? How much will it get me to bet $100 on Flash? and how much will i win if i bet the same $100 on Jaedong? thx

Jaedong will make Flash look like a fool!

On August 27 2010 17:45 sTrAtO wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2010 14:32 TenBagger wrote: I'll bet on flash +111 any amount up to $300 total action. i've never learned to read the odds of the betting sites, what does +111 exactly means? How much will it get me to bet $100 on Flash? and how much will i win if i bet the same $100 on Jaedong? thx

lol ive done so many bets on sc games and sports and still im too lazy to try to understand this too

+111 means ur betting on the underdog and getting a price better than evens, and you are betting 100 to win 110.

-111 means ur betting on the favourite and getting a price worse than evens, and you are betting 110 to win 100.

So tenbagger wants to bet 100 on flash to win 111 from someone betting against him on jaedong.

On August 27 2010 17:45 sTrAtO wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2010 14:32 TenBagger wrote: I'll bet on flash +111 any amount up to $300 total action. i've never learned to read the odds of the betting sites, what does +111 exactly means? How much will it get me to bet $100 on Flash? and how much will i win if i bet the same $100 on Jaedong? thx

+111 means you are risking 100 to win 111. -111 means you are risking 111 to win 100. notice how the + and - numbers match, meaning one person loses the exact amount that the other person wins, in other words, zero vig.

+111 = bet 100, win 111
-111 = bet 111, win 100

srs? Flash is the underdog?

ill bet later , i can go for either player . what time is this happening again? or better , how many hours from now?

lol at Flash being an underdog to anyone. Witness the rather epic Flash/Leta OSL match from just the other day. Leta played lights out, made one mistake and lost, because Flash made no mistakes.

TYRANT

Bigfile MSL 2010 Grand Final

Flash vs Jaedong

Venue: Incheon Samsan World Gymnasium

Set 1: Polaris Rhapsody
Set 2: Odd-Eye 3
Set 3: Fighting Spirit
Set 4: Triathlon
Set 5: Polaris Rhapsody

Event Time: 18:00 KST
11:00 CEST
05:00 EDT
02:00 PDT

( 7 hours, 45 minutes )

those odds are not fair imo, just look at the maps

My $150 on Jaedong vs your $250 on Flash, anyone?

(I never bet against JD)

On August 27 2010 16:10 voodoouser wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2010 14:31 TenBagger wrote: 8.42% overround LOL what does it mean ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigorish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_bookmaking

A fair odds bet: Two people want to bet on opposing sides of an event with even odds. They are going to make the bet between each other without using the services of a bookmaker. Each person is willing to risk $100 to win $100. After each person pays his $100, there is a total of $200 in the pot. The person who loses receives nothing and the winner receives the full $200.

By contrast, when using a sportsbook with the odds set at &#8722;110 vs. &#8722;110 (10 to 11, 1.9090..) with vigorish factored in, each person would have to risk or lay $110 to win $100 (the sportsbook collects $220 "in the pot". The extra $10 per person is, in effect, a bookmaker's commission for taking the action. This $10 is not in play and cannot be doubled by the winning bettor; it can only be lost. A losing bettor simply loses his $110. A winning bettor wins back his original $110, plus his $100 winnings, for a total of $210. From the $220 collected, the sportsbook keeps the remaining $10 after paying out the winner.

In the above example, the bookmaker has taken a rake, or scaled commission fee, of $10 ÷ $220 = 4.55%.

The internet has increased competition to the point where there are now sites like Pinnacle that offer -103/-103 on even contests for an overround of roughly 1.5%. Exchanges such as matchbook, under certain conditions, allow you to effectively bring the overround down to zero. Therefore, when XLbet charges 8.42% overround, I LOL.

On August 27 2010 20:20 sTrAtO wrote: those odds are not fair imo, just look at the maps My $150 on Jaedong vs your $250 on Flash, anyone? (I never bet against JD)

strato, you are totally missing the point here and being completely unreasonable. So you are basically offering Flash at -167 when there is a public option to bet Flash at -105. The idea of P2P betting is to cut out the middleman and get better prices for everyone.

On August 27 2010 20:20 sTrAtO wrote: those odds are not fair imo, just look at the maps My $150 on Jaedong vs your $250 on Flash, anyone? (I never bet against JD)

You're correct about the odds, Flash is the favorite going into this match, just like he was in last seasons MSL where he 3-0`ed Jaedong in the finals, except this time the maps aren't totally Terran > Zerg, but still favor Terran.

Jaedong's semi final match was against Light, who he beat 3-2 (W, L, L, W, W).
I personally always bet for Jaedong against anyone, no matter what the maps are, but you have to take into consideration how solid Flash is, how he beat Jaedong easily last season, how poorly Jaedong played against Flash last season, and the maps. If Jaedong is only beating Light 3-2, when Light isn't even as good as Flash in any match up, then Flash is certainly the favorite going into this match.

p.s. If anyone brings up the WCG 2010 Korean finals games where Jaedong beat Flash last week, thinking it has some pull going into this final, you're dumb.

If you guys believe Flash -167 is anywhere close to fair odds, then there is no way you can turn down an offer to bet on Flash at -133 since I will take Jaedong to win at +133. That line represents an overround of over 10% from your proposed line of -167, more than double a typical book and even bigger than XLbet. If you refuse to bet on Flash at -133, that is basically a clear admission that you have no confidence in your own original line of -167.

bah i just wanna bet 129 on either player lol

post offers quick before i start losing more at ftp

i'll bet 129 at evens on flash if u take jaedong whamm, just quote and confirm this post and we're booked

those betting odds seems ridiculous.. flash underdog? wtf.
I'll take even odds on Flash upto 150 on PS.

On August 27 2010 22:03 Ket wrote: i'll bet 129 at evens on flash if u take jaedong whamm, just quote and confirm this post and we're booked

ok booked ket. i have zero money jokerstars, just FTP funds ayt?


omg can't wait for the game these two are just unreal

i hope jaedong wins but flash is playing pretty flawless lately

generally, the vig free line would suffice but since people seem to disagree with it, the only other way to facilitate P2P betting here would be to make an open offer/accept system like an exchange.

I'll start out by acting as a marketmaker and putting out an initial line.

Flash -133
Jaedong +104

so if you want to bet on flash, you will need to risk 133 to win 100 and I will book your bet. If you want to bet on JD, you need to risk 100 to win 104 and I will book your bet. I will need to confirm with you before it is officially booked. If anyone else wants to step in and offer a better line, please feel free to do so. My goal is not to make money off the vig here, and I would be happy to see other people step in and make offers to reduce the spreads so that the + and - sides are equal. But since there is so much disagreement about what the proper line is, we'll let the free market decide and I'm just putting the wheels in motion by offering action on both sides and encouraging people to step in with better offers.

i hope faggot camper will lose =o

On August 27 2010 22:20 dogmeat wrote: i hope faggot camper will lose =o

so basically, if you want to bet you have two choices. you can either choose to book with me at the price that I quoted or you can make your own offer. I will post everyone's offers with the best price first so people looking to book action can easily choose the best line.

On August 27 2010 22:20 dogmeat wrote: i hope faggot camper will lose =o

[/QUOTE]

Here is a listing of open offers which I will update. Please note, that I make no representations or guarantees about the people placing offers. Either request escrow or bet at your own risk.

FLASH

-106 ($10.82) Perisie

-133 (up to $300) TenBagger

-167 ($250) Strato

JD

+104 (up to $300) TenBagger

ill bet $10.18 on jaedong for your $10.82 (you support flash), money on stars only, `1 person quote me to confirm

On August 27 2010 22:20 dogmeat wrote: i hope faggot camper will lose =o

ROFL

hahaha

lol keep those coming

hahaha, win is overwhelming. vn sir.

lol flash lose fucker

looks like not much action this time. I'm goin to sleep so all my open action is cancelled.

Has it started yet? Link?

edit: oops, my bad, misread. ETA on start?

The match starts at 04:00 LP.net time, aka 18:00 KST, aka 2am PST, aka 5am EST

PST here, thanks

should be 10 AM GMT time also

anyone have a link for the stream when its time?

just check teamliquid 5 minutes before the match starts, there should be like 10 lag-free streams

I'll bet with anyone here any amount, I got flash at the current line in here

going to bed, all my action is cancelled as well.

On August 28 2010 00:28 RaiNKhAN wrote: I'll bet with anyone here any amount, I got flash at the current line in here

ill bet my $10.18 on jaedong for your $10.82 (you support flash)

i only have money on stars

my first ever starcraft bet, im so excited!! 2 fucking hours to wait~

Bo5 and all tonight correct?

Haven't watched the MSL in forever, just OSL, a bit of PL

1 hr 30 to go!! pumped

On August 28 2010 02:06 Perisie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2010 00:28 RaiNKhAN wrote: I'll bet with anyone here any amount, I got flash at the current line in here ill bet my $10.18 on jaedong for your $10.82 (you support flash) i only have money on stars my first ever starcraft bet, im so excited!! 2 fucking hours to wait~

lol sure booked

Sry for me being so outdated but could someone drop a link for live streaming of the games.I just don't know where to search for it.

teamliquid.net
go to the front page news, or broodwar tourney forum, or click the calender on top right, for details
various stream links will be displayed when they go live in 1.25 hours, on the top right of tl.net underneath the calender

On August 28 2010 02:30 concrescence wrote: 1 hr 30 to go!! pumped

lol good morning british sir, r u going to get beers now the shop has opened

On August 28 2010 02:30 concrescence wrote: 1 hr 30 to go!! pumped

let me remind at that time u get to see kpop, match will start in 2 hr 30 min =)

omg srsly :x i should have slept like everyone else !!

wat, 1 hour of kpop?

On August 28 2010 00:28 RaiNKhAN wrote: I'll bet with anyone here any amount, I got flash at the current line in here

I'll put $20 on Jaedong winning.

He needs to gain my respect back before I bet big on him again when the maps aren't even.

links if any plz

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Chaos
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Kentor
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=T.O.P.

All I saw was Flash domination, fucking wrecking shit and not giving a fuck. 1-0?

damn, the new TL design looks sick

On August 28 2010 04:13 SolidState wrote: All I saw was Flash domination, fucking wrecking shit and not giving a fuck. 1-0?

The match they just showed was from 2 years ago, and it was a Bo5, where Jaedong won 3-1.
Jaedong won 1st place in that league season, Kal took 2nd place.

man this is tilting im sleepy as fuk but want to watch it.

On August 28 2010 04:40 lostaccount wrote: man this is tilting im sleepy as fuk but want to watch it.

game about to start
GO TYRANT

WTF VWHY SO LAGGY?????????

someone post some links?? where to watch it kentos stream is laggy, impossible to watch

On August 28 2010 03:34 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2010 00:28 RaiNKhAN wrote: I'll bet with anyone here any amount, I got flash at the current line in here I'll put $20 on Jaedong winning. He needs to gain my respect back before I bet big on him again when the maps aren't even.

booked

fake mech worked like a charm

kentor got new source better lag now

FUUUUUU

about time i lost an sc bet , 1 game left
flash 14cc with these new maps are just so hard to beat


and by "new" i mean , post boxer era maps lolz

he wasnt gonna win on oddeye3 anyways might as well have 4 droned.

my prediction for last game:

14cc

srsly screw this faggot lol

FUCK YEAH TYRANT

fuck yeah :D

jd has got that look now...i hope flash chokes lol

defiler timing was so hair thin.. coulda gone either way. cutting edge zvt @@

JAE is a beast. Effort did it last season OSL. Never know.

Prob is Flash is a beast also.

i have never seen so many scourges put to good use at the right time
i notice flash has a hard time when his supply line to reinforce is disrupted by jd. each time i see him unable to reinforce asap and create that giant ball of terran death he always loses coz he then resorts to mass drops 100%

YES
GO JD!

On August 28 2010 05:59 GoTuNk wrote: FUCK YEAH TYRANT

lift rax whut?

The legend of Effort??? OMFG

edit: Down 2-0 and win for nubs, last season OSL. victim was our very own Flash

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

hmm oh well :>

only got up in time to catch the last game. ez rape

gg . pmed u ket for shipping details at ftp

There are 2 reasons why Flash wins everything now.

1) He is the best.
2) He doesn't make any mistakes.

flash's parents are a marine and a medic :>

so little showed up for this final it looked like.. same with the last final. I feel like sc1 is fading away

7000 people watching MSL final on TL.net streams. How many watch SC2?

SC2? idk who cares. Dev a pro scene and someone will care. Til then, want a cookie?

The funny thing is that before this final I thought that Flash is the slightly better player of the two although I like jaedong a lot, and now, after the games, I think exactly the opposite ;D!

That last game with endless waves amazed me

VN Set. Flash is the best right now and its not close. I was joking around earlier kind of, but did anyone honestly think JD was gonna win this?
Flash is simply above him and its so obv if u follow the other leagues.

but jd is a cutie

i fell asleep after game 1....fuuuuuu

i hope sc pro scene never dies. heres how i see sc2 in terms of programming languages


assembly programming/ c = sc

visual basic = sc2

didnt watch it live after hearing about that 1 hour of kpop + all the other shit between games
just watched it on jon747's youtube channel instead
ggs.. flash is just too good

lol game 4

lol im glad nobody took my SO UNFAIR ODDS on Jaedong right???

gg Flash, but fuck you, gogogo JD!!

On August 29 2010 18:04 sTrAtO wrote: lol im glad nobody took my SO UNFAIR ODDS on Jaedong right??? gg Flash, but fuck you, gogogo JD!!

I bet you secretly cheered for Flash on game 5 so you would feel good about not making a bet lol

PR:

Flash's script. Early in G1 he peels tape off the back of his hand. This signifies his plotting of himself into a script according to what he has seen from Jaedong and is analagous to a basketball player snapping a rubber band on their wrist.

Jaedong attempts an impossible attack. It halfway works.

It doesn't matter. Flash has worked towards an unblockable attack. Everything that he has done up until now has been building towards this moment. He attacks. Jaedong fails to block. 1-0 Flash.

Oddeye 3:

Both players power and allin ground. Flash breaks Jaedong. 2-0.

FS:

Flash shows the ultimate in management control, using the minimap to assign commands to his marines. Jaedong takes both mains. Flash tries to exchange. Jaedong blocks impeccably. Flash's nat runs out and he has nowhere left to expand. 2-1.

Triathlon:

Flash is intimidation spamming the lobby. Jaedong 9pools for trick value and Flash blocks at horrible cost. Jaedong attacks again and Flash is broke and so he loses. 2-2.

PR:

Jaedong elects to repeat his FS concept, to approach Flash indirectly. Flash goes concealed marines. Jaedong mutas vs Flash's mass rines. Strength vs strength. Flash wants a go at top right, and gets the better of Jaedong, razing it. Flash straight outplays him from here on out for the win. 3-2.

games 2 and 5 were straight rapes and the rest of the games were razor thin for the most part. to me this suggests that flash has become demonstrably, clearly better than jaedong.

Game 1 is more like jaedong failing to scout the 5 rax transition and therefore skiped lurkers.

Flash also peeled off a patch on his shoulder IN GAME...
I wonder what is this patch for? Pocari sweat patch?

flash has officially ruined starcraft for me. watching sea vs stork is like watching two fat chicks mud wrestle.

On August 28 2010 06:56 Fudyann wrote: 7000 people watching MSL final on TL.net streams. How many watch SC2?

a lot more. 10k+ ive witnessed myself, people said it was 20ish thousand for HDH finals.

On August 28 2010 06:59 SolidState wrote: SC2? idk who cares. Dev a pro scene and someone will care. Til then, want a cookie?

We'll talk when MSL qualifications have prize pool of 170 thousand dollars.
Til then, want a cookie?^^

for the overmind!