Clothes what

After wearing abercrombie since highschool, im trying to switch my style. Something to like express? I like a lot of their clothes but was wondering where do you guys shop. How much you drop on clothes.
And if any of you have any nice stores/sites that arent too expensive u like to shop at.

u srs?

poker players dont go out

We can't answer this for you. All depends on who YOU are. Don't wear clothes because other people told you to.

http://www.revolveclothing.com/

I like h n m n

ummmmmmmmm i find american eagle to use good quality fabrics

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id go for motorhead

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paging Vital[Myth].

seriously one of the most fashionable dudes I know (no homo).

loooool at the comments in that wolf shirt

Buy clothes you like... its really that easy. Shirts&Blazers will look smart. Ties can look ok if you're a trim/goofy looking motherfucker or work in an office. T-shirts are obv more casual. Shorts casual. Jeans or Pants as you American heroes call them generally look smart/casual. Just look at stuff you like online or go to a store and check out clothes in person. You dont have to buy anything there if u dont like it. I hate going to stores and fucking about though so i usually look at stuff online then order it or pick similar stuff up i like when i see it.

On August 24 2010 16:21 Jamie217 wrote: loooool at the comments in that wolf shirt

+1 lol

i'm still laughing that you admitted you wear abercrombie haha

abercrombie jeans are the nut low

cant believe i bought them once for like $100 and wore them one time and decided that i hate them

wat indeed

if ur gonna buy clothes from the mall the only decent store is the buckle in my experience

i really like their jeans

During college I liked American Eagle. They were moderarely priced from 15-50. These days I like Banana Republic mainly because I can afford it. To me, it is decently expensive to pay $80 for jeans, $30 for a t-shirt, and $60 for a polo but that is just me, but I should take a look at Express as prices are similar. Sometimes, Hugo Boss has sales and I was able to pick up a casual dress shirt, a jacket/tshirt combo, and jeans for 250 as they were 50% off and idc about the newest fashions in super expensive clothing. It is funny since the sign said 30% but if you asked it became 50%.

express is really solid for casual clothes, decent quality, good prices, constant sales/specials

banana republic is good too

Dont wear clothes obv.

My tastes are along the same lines as acdawg as I use BR and Boss. (and I frequented Lanvin en Bleu for a while but they don't exist in the States)

But having blows far too much dough on cloths this past year, I'm probably going on an account freeze in that regard.


edit: also, try visiting styleforum.

if you are fat try to look like a gangster. there are 2 ways to go depending on how you roll. you could go fat italian style like mobsters or fat black style like rick ross and offensive linemen. if you are skinny there are some options. you can generally go heroin addict rocker style, cool euro style (which ends up looking like douchebag hipster if you aren't careful), or cool stoner/surfer style. if you are jacked just wear shirts and jeans that fit you well. which basically means tight enough so the girls get wet looking at your body but not too tight to the point it's obvious what you are up to. also, avoid getting too douchey unless you can pull it off. mike the situation can wear whatever he wants, BangYu coming off of abercrombie and fitch probably cannot.

from your name and the fact that you are posting on a gambling site linked w/ starcraft there's prob a dece chance you are asian. if you are asian it should be easy. anytime i see a cool looking asian i think to myself like "man, that nukka must be from tokyo or seoul on that new shit." so just dress like you are from tokyo or seoul on that new shit.

if you don't really fit into any of these categories and you can afford best is to probably just go to the mall and find a stylish gay guy or stylish hot girl working in the store and just ask them what fits and looks good. keep in mind they are trying to break you for your last dollar but most of them also just really like fashion and clothes and go home and jack off to project runway and unless they are sociopaths are genuinely going to want to help you and do their job well.

rikd is a truly great poster

If theres one thing ive noticed from my trips to the us its that the jeans fucking suck so much. Im not a fasion expert but most of the jeans that guys in the us wear are so fucking ugly seriously get ur shit together. Its like usa have conquered and exceeded at anything that has to do with popular culture but when it comes to jeans its just fucking fail all over.

that was like one of the best posts in lp history.

Just curious about results,

Poll: How many pairs of jeans do you own that you actively wear?
(Vote): 1
(Vote): 2
(Vote): 3
(Vote): 4-5
(Vote): 6-7
(Vote): 8+

I do my own laundry so gotta have 4/5 jeans in the cycle
and yes that was an awesome post by rikd looool

On August 24 2010 19:44 Ket wrote: Just curious about results, Poll: How many pairs of jeans do you own that you actively wear? (Vote): 1 (Vote): 2 (Vote): 3 (Vote): 4-5 (Vote): 6-7 (Vote): 8+

Where is the 0 option?

i like to wear plain clothes with no branded text. also im not a fan of graphic t-shirts.

hackett - polos ($100)
dolce and gabbana - shirts ($250-500), best jeans ($300), leather jackets ($2000-4000)
gucci - best loafers i have bought
dior homme - best for sneakers ($400), hi-tops ($600), and if you can afford the clothes here they are very sleek, mainly black and white, ALSO SHOULDER BAGS AND WEEKEND BAGS, all black leather ($1000-3000)
pal zileri - italian, smart look, not too expensive
ermenegildo zegna - italian very smart clothes but more expensive and better quality than pal zileri. i have a scarf from here that is like 350 dollars
tom ford, dior, rayban - sunglasses
burberry prosum - sickest range ever, would love to buy everything in this range
diesel black gold - casual wear
junk de luxe - affordable, casual, danish brand, colourful, shirts ($100)
y3 - for the best casual trainers ($350), tracksuit bottoms ($200), sportswear - this is part of addidas range and is by a Japanese designer named Yohji Yamamoto
VILEBREQUIN - swimming shorts and beach towels ($200) each
all saints - t-shirts

i have probably spent the most out of anyone on this forum on clothes. buy a few good quality items that will last rather than lots of clothes.

i just read your not too expensive part just now, cant help you there, nike maybe?

I agree with [vital]Myth. Don´t know about express, but Banana Republic is awesome.

On August 24 2010 20:27 F4Zi wrote: i have probably spent the most out of anyone on this forum on clothes and haircuts

wow so much gay in this thread for a supposedly "butch"site lolz

On August 24 2010 22:28 whamm! wrote: wow so much gay in this thread for a supposedly "butch"site lolz

really? that post by rikd is the manliest fashion advice anyone has ever given anywhere

sports authority athletic shirts work for me

Embrace your true busto and go to walmart

You're going to want to think about the style you're attempting to project. Are you a laid back person or someone who isn't afraid to show a little cuff? How deep can your v-neck really go? Thinking about jumping from one brand to another doesn't really answer any of these questions, it just shows your awareness of maturity in relation to your wardrobe. Thats all it shows. and the amount of consideration given to your outfit will be obvious to anyone fashion conscious. Think about you first. then think carefully about how each individual piece can work with the others.

fast tips:
1) make sure everything is form fitting. form fitting will mean medium sized shirts to a medium sized average joe, but really we mean medium with a slim fit.
2) start with the classics. solid colors, simple patterns, small patterns, small logos if you have to. loud design is obnoxious
3) look for inspiration on the satorialist fashion blog. loads of ideas there guaranteed to keep you busy for hours.

obviously these outfits are gonna be UNSUITABLE for everyday wear but the point is to pay special attention to how fit, pattern, and color plays a role in each individual piece in creating an entire outfit.

Lawl, I regularly buy clothes from Express for Men. About once every few months I'll make like a 100-200$ purchase. If you're going to get clothes from express, become an express member because if you don't, everything just becomes way over priced.
Some other good stores IMO are;
-Guess
-Calvin Klein
-Heritage
-Aldo (for shoes)
Please don't get a man purse btw, unless it's used for carrying bricks of $$$ to the poker tables.

Honestly theses days I just wear a random shirt that our team sponsors give out because they are free, then some khaki shorts and flip flops. Don't even have to worry about getting dress can grab any random shirt+shorts/pants in my closest and look like a BOSS.

lol pics, id put a large wage that 90% of them are raging homos... the other 10% is a weird priest in black

Thats Karl Otto Lagerfeldt, German fashionist, head designer and creative director for Chanel. also the current owner of Fendi.

On August 24 2010 19:56 Jamie217 wrote: I do my own laundry so gotta have 4/5 jeans in the cycle and yes that was an awesome post by rikd looool

Don't wash your jeans, or avoid it as much as possible

"The naked truth about denim is reflected from the passion of the everday life, where your life gives denim itäs unique character, formed by you into a second skin."

On August 24 2010 19:32 SakiSaki wrote: If theres one thing ive noticed from my trips to the us its that the jeans fucking suck so much. Im not a fasion expert but most of the jeans that guys in the us wear are so fucking ugly seriously get ur shit together. Its like usa have conquered and exceeded at anything that has to do with popular culture but when it comes to jeans its just fucking fail all over.

This QFT

On August 24 2010 17:19 CrownRoyal wrote: abercrombie jeans are the nut low cant believe i bought them once for like $100 and wore them one time and decided that i hate them

First of all, $100 is not alot for a pair of jeans. Second of all, the only the AF makes is comfartable sweaters (hooded)


I tend to wear jeans that fit my body, atm replay waitom, and jennon are good for me. I have in the past always bought Nudie, Replay, Ijin.

Some brands (for jeans) I would recommend are: Jacob Cohen, Nudie, Replay, True Religion, Acne (if you are thin).
Chinos (Khackis) You dont really need any upmarket brands here.
I'm fairly boring regarding my shirts, they are usually (100%) button-down Ralph Lauren shirts, in a pastel color; like turqoise, pink etc.
Sweaters, I try to avoid V-neck sweaters, but I usually wear some colorful sweater (also im boring here; ralph lauren, gant etc).
Shoes: My achiilles heal, I buy a shit load of shoes, usually sneakers are Hugo Boss, but can mix it up with Converse, Prada, Dior etc





Blazers are fine to buy in the US, I like to mix and match with colors and patterns.

On August 24 2010 19:56 Jamie217 wrote: I do my own laundry so gotta have 4/5 jeans in the cycle and yes that was an awesome post by rikd looool

Don't wash your jeans, or avoid it as much as possible

"The naked truth about denim is reflected from the passion of the everday life, where your life gives denim itäs unique character, formed by you into a second skin."

On August 24 2010 19:32 SakiSaki wrote: If theres one thing ive noticed from my trips to the us its that the jeans fucking suck so much. Im not a fasion expert but most of the jeans that guys in the us wear are so fucking ugly seriously get ur shit together. Its like usa have conquered and exceeded at anything that has to do with popular culture but when it comes to jeans its just fucking fail all over.

This QFT

On August 24 2010 17:19 CrownRoyal wrote: abercrombie jeans are the nut low cant believe i bought them once for like $100 and wore them one time and decided that i hate them

First of all, $100 is not alot for a pair of jeans. Second of all, the only the AF makes is comfartable sweaters (hooded)


I tend to wear jeans that fit my body, atm replay waitom, and jennon are good for me. I have in the past always bought Nudie, Replay, Ijin.

Some brands (for jeans) I would recommend are: Jacob Cohen, Nudie, Replay, True Religion, Acne (if you are thin).
Chinos (Khackis) You dont really need any upmarket brands here.
I'm fairly boring regarding my shirts, they are usually (100%) button-down Ralph Lauren shirts, in a pastel color; like turqoise, pink etc.
Sweaters, I try to avoid V-neck sweaters, but I usually wear some colorful sweater (also im boring here; ralph lauren, gant etc).
Shoes: My achiilles heal, I buy a shit load of shoes, usually sneakers are Hugo Boss, but can mix it up with Converse, Prada, Dior etc
Blazers are fine to buy in the US, I like to mix and match with colors and patterns.

I wash my jeans once a month at best. Its called wearing underwear. My jeans don't smell or get dirty, and until they do i don't wash them.

if you want to get rich playing poker you should start out with rags so later on you can say "from rags to riches"
if you're rich already you can go from rich to rikd

On August 25 2010 02:44 cariadon wrote: if you want to get rich playing poker you should start out with rags so later on you can say "from rags to riches" if you're rich already you can go from rich to rikd

finally first quality post in this thread

I just buy own brand jeans, coz i spill beer all over them, use them as a napkin and generally ruin them when drunk.

On August 25 2010 02:44 cariadon wrote: if you want to get rich playing poker you should start out with rags so later on you can say "from rags to riches" if you're rich already you can go from rich to rikd

On August 24 2010 15:30 BangYu wrote: After wearing abercrombie since highschool, im trying to switch my style. Something to like express? I like a lot of their clothes but was wondering where do you guys shop. How much you drop on clothes. And if any of you have any nice stores/sites that arent too expensive u like to shop at.

i don't drop that much on clothes, and you realize that pretty much the only thing clothes can 'express' is how much of a douche you are.

Just wear that

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On August 25 2010 05:51 Stroggos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2010 15:30 BangYu wrote: After wearing abercrombie since highschool, im trying to switch my style. Something to like express? I like a lot of their clothes but was wondering where do you guys shop. How much you drop on clothes. And if any of you have any nice stores/sites that arent too expensive u like to shop at. i don't drop that much on clothes, and you realize that pretty much the only thing clothes can 'express' is how much of a douche you are.

pic plz

On August 25 2010 06:25 iop wrote: i don't drop that much on clothes, and you realize that pretty much the only thing clothes can 'express' is how much of a douche you are. pic plz

so u think f4zi is a douche?

Im not azn, im white pretty built, about 5'9''. cant wear abercrombie cause their fkn logo is on everything which i cant stand. I used to shop there cause their shit fit me nice. Jeans, shirts, everything. I just got 2 pairs of jeans at express and their material is wayyy different. Much more comfortable and stretchy i guess. Where as abecrombie jeans are rly fkin stiff, hard to sit down in em and shit. The only thing that sux is that im kinda fkin short which sux but w/e. Cant complain. Thnx for the replies ill check some of those stores out

On August 25 2010 07:14 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 06:25 iop wrote: i don't drop that much on clothes, and you realize that pretty much the only thing clothes can 'express' is how much of a douche you are. pic plz so u think f4zi is a douche?

hahhaha i love it.

I'm convinced LP is full of queers

On August 25 2010 07:14 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 06:25 iop wrote: i don't drop that much on clothes, and you realize that pretty much the only thing clothes can 'express' is how much of a douche you are. pic plz so u think f4zi is a douche?

Sorry, that was a quote from another lp:er and my comment was "pic plz" - I spend alot of money on clothes

On August 25 2010 05:51 Stroggos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2010 15:30 BangYu wrote: After wearing abercrombie since highschool, im trying to switch my style. Something to like express? I like a lot of their clothes but was wondering where do you guys shop. How much you drop on clothes. And if any of you have any nice stores/sites that arent too expensive u like to shop at. i don't drop that much on clothes, and you realize that pretty much the only thing clothes can 'express' is how much of a douche you are.

But to answer your question, no I don't think f4zi is a douche

On August 25 2010 07:14 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 06:25 iop wrote: i don't drop that much on clothes, and you realize that pretty much the only thing clothes can 'express' is how much of a douche you are. pic plz so u think f4zi is a douche?

i do


btw that is very strange coming from iop who looked very fashion/douche himself in his early pics, you look much more "relaxed" in the newer ones was it a conscious change?

I quoted Stroggos, I call someone douchy by judging his attitude not his clothes.

I approve of any thread that allows F4zi to write a manifesto on buying purses.

On August 25 2010 08:08 anarki wrote: I'm convinced LP is full of queers

And I'm convinced that lp is full of hippies with no sense what's going on in the real world. I kid you not.

i tell you this, clothes matter shit.

jeans and a random t shirt and you're good to go. its all about your non verbal language if you wanna have attention from ze ladiessssss.
save the dollars, work on your attitude.

except if u wanna wear a suit, then spend like 1k euro. other then that, don't.

is gorororororokgorokorkrkorok Joeingram or something ? im confused
no hard feelings, you (both?) play a lot

On August 25 2010 11:34 iop wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 08:08 anarki wrote: I'm convinced LP is full of queers And I'm convinced that lp is full of hippies with no sense what's going on in the real world. I kid you not.

So your definition of real world sense is knowing how to match your purse to your hat ?

GmotherfuckingQ

£25 green and black sneakers (my superb taste in shoes has not changed over the years)
£5 smart black shirt of unknown origin
£9 tight dark jeans

I'm a tallish (6ft or 182cm) skinny (155-160lb range) Korean. Theres a lot of pressure on me to be fashionable and have cool haircuts. sigh...
Well... I find that a lot of times you really can't go wrong with decent blank white shirt with nice pair of jeans THAT ACTUALLY FIT YOU. Sometimes simple > * especially if you're tall and skinny-fit range. Never understood why every other white kids wear shitty rags from quicksilver and terrible looking jeans...

all you haters need to experience goin out and actually doin things. Hit up some nice clubs.

i dont really know how to get proper fitting jeans.....

ive always had baggy big jeans that just run off me, but very occaisionally i see men with amazing-fitting jeans that just currrrl around their ass . i wish i could be like them :3

i dont know if its because theyre physically shaped in a certain way (big asses on small body?)

im 6'2, 80kg and i like my ass but dont know if i need custom made or expensive jeans to fit it?

the other day i went to a local superstore and got 2 pairs for 9-14 quid. at first i got the longest leg, but remembered that you want a well-fitting length so i swapped them for smaller length (and possibly could have gone ever short than that, much to my bafflement....).

so now i have reasonably lengthed tight jeans (one pair sinks a bit but thats why i have a belt right). idk really what my ass looks like in them ill have to try the big mirror downstairs.


what im WONDERING is.......what the fuck is the difference between the £5 superstore jeans and the £14 superstore jeans and the £40 jeans in the other stores and the £100+ jeans some people seem to enjoy (tho i dont know what highstreet shop arund here would sell those)?

and what is the difference between the dozens of jean brands? do they all fit slightly differently, like some size 12 shoes are slightly larger than some other brand of size 12 shoe?

do different priced and different brand jeans fit your ass better or something? because thats all i want to know. why does it take me so long to ask a question sometimes

On August 25 2010 17:09 Perisie wrote: why does it take me so long to ask a question sometimes

It appears by the gayness of your post that you are either gay or actually a woman, which would also explain why it takes you so long to ask a question. I suspect you also cannot drive or answer questions efficiently either.

On August 25 2010 14:40 EvilSky wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 11:34 iop wrote:   On August 25 2010 08:08 anarki wrote: I'm convinced LP is full of queers And I'm convinced that lp is full of hippies with no sense what's going on in the real world. I kid you not. So your definition of real world sense is knowing how to match your purse to your hat ?

The "purse" that i wear is my computer-bag for work. I wear a hat when its cold, and a cap when im not at work, and im feeling lazy

casual pokerplayer wears a hockey shirt!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or superman clothes

£9 jeans wtf

On August 25 2010 17:27 Sadi wrote:

lmao. Is that TO on the left?

lol wtf
SO many canadians on LP an none mentioned dsquared2
like the sickest outfits atm , and the best shoes ever there
http://www.dsquared2.com

On August 25 2010 18:11 concrescence wrote: £9 jeans wtf

grats on the WSOP win

On August 25 2010 19:14 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 18:11 concrescence wrote: £9 jeans wtf grats on the WSOP win

seriously what event, i totally missed this

congrats.

blah blah homosexuality jeans blah blah spending money on clothes.

Any jeans that fit you well are ok. I don't value brand jeans really but I stay away from the very cheap stuff, 100 for a pair is fine.
I'll wear a shirt or t-shirt over that.
But how you wear your clothes matters a lot more than what you wear. As long as the clothes aren't way off, there's np.

On August 25 2010 19:02 Dogan0s wrote: lol wtf SO many canadians on LP an none mentioned dsquared2 like the sickest outfits atm , and the best shoes ever there http://www.dsquared2.com

I don't even know what you mean by this? Canada is not even on the shipping list.

On August 25 2010 19:19 Etherone wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 19:14 player999 wrote:   On August 25 2010 18:11 concrescence wrote: £9 jeans wtf grats on the WSOP win seriously what event, i totally missed this congrats. blah blah homosexuality jeans blah blah spending money on clothes.

yeah what event ?

On August 25 2010 18:32 acdawg712 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 17:27 Sadi wrote: lmao. Is that TO on the left?

lmao + Show Spoiler +

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?

fuck.

On August 25 2010 15:33 BangYu wrote: all you haters need to experience goin out and actually doin things. Hit up some nice clubs.

i guarantee you i go out twice as much as you, we just go to different places/bars, and meet with different people with different intellects and values.

On August 25 2010 14:40 EvilSky wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 11:34 iop wrote:   On August 25 2010 08:08 anarki wrote: I'm convinced LP is full of queers And I'm convinced that lp is full of hippies with no sense what's going on in the real world. I kid you not. So your definition of real world sense is knowing how to match your purse to your hat ?

bam

On August 26 2010 01:48 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 15:33 BangYu wrote: all you haters need to experience goin out and actually doin things. Hit up some nice clubs. i guarantee you i go out twice as much as you, we just go to different places/bars, and meet with different people with different intellects and values.

Sometime in the future, if you get guys get a job and start meeting future customers, you will realise you can't wear a t-shirt and flipflops.

Even when you go to a job interview, clothing is one aspect that the interviewer will first judge you by.

On August 26 2010 02:10 iop wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2010 01:48 Baal wrote:   On August 25 2010 15:33 BangYu wrote: all you haters need to experience goin out and actually doin things. Hit up some nice clubs. i guarantee you i go out twice as much as you, we just go to different places/bars, and meet with different people with different intellects and values. Sometime in the future, if you get guys get a job and start meeting future customers, you will realise you can't wear a t-shirt and flipflops. Even when you go to a job interview, clothing is one aspect that the interviewer will first judge you by.

So clothing is retarded, but you do it to humor stupid people who will judge you based on that?, if you are aware of the game why dont you grow some balls and stop playing ball?

Thankfully i dont have the need to dress, talk or act in an arbitrary way to please other people.

no because you are turning 27 and still living with your parents

On August 26 2010 02:32 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2010 02:10 iop wrote:   On August 26 2010 01:48 Baal wrote:   On August 25 2010 15:33 BangYu wrote: all you haters need to experience goin out and actually doin things. Hit up some nice clubs. i guarantee you i go out twice as much as you, we just go to different places/bars, and meet with different people with different intellects and values. Sometime in the future, if you get guys get a job and start meeting future customers, you will realise you can't wear a t-shirt and flipflops. Even when you go to a job interview, clothing is one aspect that the interviewer will first judge you by. So clothing is retarded, but you do it to humor stupid people who will judge you based on that?, if you are aware of the game why dont you grow some balls and stop playing ball? Thankfully i dont have the need to dress, talk or act in an arbitrary way to please other people.

I don't judge, but interviewers will judge you.

why dont you grow some balls and move out of your parents house

iop is obv right

On August 26 2010 03:01 iop wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2010 02:32 Baal wrote:   On August 26 2010 02:10 iop wrote:   On August 26 2010 01:48 Baal wrote:   On August 25 2010 15:33 BangYu wrote: all you haters need to experience goin out and actually doin things. Hit up some nice clubs. i guarantee you i go out twice as much as you, we just go to different places/bars, and meet with different people with different intellects and values. Sometime in the future, if you get guys get a job and start meeting future customers, you will realise you can't wear a t-shirt and flipflops. Even when you go to a job interview, clothing is one aspect that the interviewer will first judge you by. So clothing is retarded, but you do it to humor stupid people who will judge you based on that?, if you are aware of the game why dont you grow some balls and stop playing ball? Thankfully i dont have the need to dress, talk or act in an arbitrary way to please other people. I don't judge, but interviewers will judge you. why dont you grow some balls and move out of your parents house

so you only dress up for interviews or work?, i somehow doubt it? btw when i attack your wrong ideas you go and attack me which proves you have no way to defend them.

yes keep telling yourself that.

no i dress up for parties too. Or if I feel like it, but mind you I vary my clothing alot.

Baal you seem to know everything, you seem to hate everything materialistic out there, and you are always right.

I dont have to argue with you because you and I live two entirely different lifestyles.

Do you really need me to discuss that fact why it's right or wrong to put a suit on to a job interview? Or maybe having a shower and shaving if you meet an important customer?

seems to me that he doesn't buy it that you are wearing certain clothes for the unique purpose of functionality in your life, because that would sound as if you were suddenly placed in a moment and time and you had to act a part as a life. seems much more likely that your job, friends and activities revolve around where you are placing your values and it is those very values that are being targeted here because they are deemed to be contemptible. it would be hard to believe for anyone that a person who spends so much money on material possessions and decorating oneself doesn't have his self-worth revolve around it, and also very unlikely that he's not really conforming internally while conforming externally.

What's wrong with abercrombie djeans ? They looks good imo especially the looser's ones
If not maybe something like this ?
or
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Dunno really they all looks good in europe and chicks love them.

i just go for track pants lately

exactly what loco said, i simply dont buy that you dress up because you have to.

i do dress up when i have to, i am not going to fight the stupid traditions and segregation tools of society in lets say, a funeral, or a wedding, or even as you said, a job interview, but dont kid yourself that is not your case, you like dressing up and you should question yourself why do i like fashion and clothing?.

It is not because of pure aesthetic because fashion changes every year, what is considered hideous today will be fashion in 2 years so then really think why do you like dressing up, and its because its a tool to fit in yet be above who dresses poorly in society, even if you dont feel superior to them you want to be treated better better.


If you think about it and realize how stupid it is you will stop doing it and you will be free from it, and attacking me changes nothing about you, i am not perfect i am shallow in some spots but how does that proves anything?

PS: the "grow some balls" comment was very aggressive and i apologize.

attempting to teach a philistine to not be a philistine is like attempting to teach a cat to behave like a dog

On August 25 2010 22:08 NiagaraPoker wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 19:02 Dogan0s wrote: lol wtf SO many canadians on LP an none mentioned dsquared2 like the sickest outfits atm , and the best shoes ever there http://www.dsquared2.com I don't even know what you mean by this? Canada is not even on the shipping list.

the designers are from canada and i thought they might be well known there since madona is wearing their clothes lol. :>

On August 26 2010 07:08 Loco wrote: attempting to teach a philistine to not be a philistine is like attempting to teach a cat to behave like a dog

Iop is no F4azi, i think he might figure it out

First of all. . .Who's the Diva with 8+ Jeans?? Doesn't anyone shop at Goodwill anymore? Fuck you dudes and your money trying to buy fashion. Fashion can't be bought, it's all about attitude.

On August 26 2010 08:11 XoXthajmanXoX wrote: First of all. . .Who's the Diva with 8+ Jeans?? Doesn't anyone shop at Goodwill anymore? Fuck you dudes and your money trying to buy fashion. Fashion can't be bought, it's all about attitude.

yeah I think that have been covered already.
I can easily spend 200$ on a pair of jeans or a shirt and mixing it up with my second hand shorts I bought for 1$.
Almost no one in here is saying that $ equals = good fashion, they are pretty much all advocating finding something that fits you, your style, your body and that you feel comfortable in.

On August 26 2010 07:23 Dogan0s wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 22:08 NiagaraPoker wrote:   On August 25 2010 19:02 Dogan0s wrote: lol wtf SO many canadians on LP an none mentioned dsquared2 like the sickest outfits atm , and the best shoes ever there http://www.dsquared2.com I don't even know what you mean by this? Canada is not even on the shipping list. the designers are from canada and i thought they might be well known there since madona is wearing their clothes lol. :>

ive never heard of them

On August 26 2010 07:59 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2010 07:08 Loco wrote: attempting to teach a philistine to not be a philistine is like attempting to teach a cat to behave like a dog Iop is no F4azi, i think he might figure it out

you need to get rid of your dumb optimism =[

Lots of hipster faggotry in this thread.

On August 26 2010 03:10 concrescence wrote: iop is obv right

Wtf? When did you win a bracelet?

On August 26 2010 08:11 XoXthajmanXoX wrote: First of all. . .Who's the Diva with 8+ Jeans?? Doesn't anyone shop at Goodwill anymore? Fuck you dudes and your money trying to buy fashion. Fashion can't be bought, it's all about attitude.

[x]gayest post in thread

On August 26 2010 08:34 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2010 07:59 Baal wrote:   On August 26 2010 07:08 Loco wrote: attempting to teach a philistine to not be a philistine is like attempting to teach a cat to behave like a dog Iop is no F4azi, i think he might figure it out you need to get rid of your dumb optimism =[

i dont think i have ever been called an optimist before :3

I'm not really following this argument closely but I'd like to say, who cares why anyone is into anything? Maybe iop likes to dress up because that's how he was raised. Maybe it's a hobby he inherited from his dying grandmother so he likes it for sentimental reasons. Maybe he actually does follow fashion purely because he wants to be regarded as high class and that so he can separate himself from ugly people. His reasoning doesn't really matter. He could give a long explanation and still be off because he probably doesn't know himself. Why anyone does anything is usually pretty complicated. As long as his hobby isn't hurting anyone who cares why anyone is into anything.?

Trying to project a complex chain of reason or psychoanalyze other people's motives in something so harmless is often pointless and downright impolite.

baal and loco get a room dudes

Ok I read the thread and I don't get what you guys are arguing about. So someone spends a lot of his disposable income on clothes. What difference is it if he spends it on cars or guitars or whores and cocaine? I don't think it's being materialistic. Whether or not they are philistines, maybe to famous fashion designers, but I'm sure people who spend a lot on clothes at least do a little research into what looks good on them and to them. Even if they don't who cares.

On August 27 2010 23:07 zulu_nation8 wrote: I'm not really following this argument closely but I'd like to say, who cares why anyone is into anything? Maybe iop likes to dress up because that's how he was raised. Maybe it's a hobby he inherited from his dying grandmother so he likes it for sentimental reasons. Maybe he actually does follow fashion purely because he wants to be regarded as high class and that so he can separate himself from ugly people. His reasoning doesn't really matter. He could give a long explanation and still be off because he probably doesn't know himself. Why anyone does anything is usually pretty complicated. As long as his hobby isn't hurting anyone who cares why anyone is into anything.? Trying to project a complex chain of reason or psychoanalyze other people's motives in something so harmless is often pointless and downright impolite.

didnt read 5 other pages of shit but quoted for trooth

people getting angsty over others for wearing certain clothing, for another entirely different reason, is ultimately retarded. They're merely insecure about the fact of life that is called "differing opinions". Even if two people are wearing the exact same outfit...go figure.

Dress how you like or join a nudist colony my friends

On August 26 2010 06:33 Baal wrote: exactly what loco said, i simply dont buy that you dress up because you have to. i do dress up when i have to, i am not going to fight the stupid traditions and segregation tools of society in lets say, a funeral, or a wedding, or even as you said, a job interview, but dont kid yourself that is not your case, you like dressing up and you should question yourself why do i like fashion and clothing?. It is not because of pure aesthetic because fashion changes every year, what is considered hideous today will be fashion in 2 years so then really think why do you like dressing up, and its because its a tool to fit in yet be above who dresses poorly in society, even if you dont feel superior to them you want to be treated better better. If you think about it and realize how stupid it is you will stop doing it and you will be free from it, and attacking me changes nothing about you, i am not perfect i am shallow in some spots but how does that proves anything.

This coming from a clown who wears Versace sunglasses and has/had a "trendy" pierced lip lmao.

On August 27 2010 20:25 whamm! wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2010 08:11 XoXthajmanXoX wrote: First of all. . .Who's the Diva with 8+ Jeans?? Doesn't anyone shop at Goodwill anymore? Fuck you dudes and your money trying to buy fashion. Fashion can't be bought, it's all about attitude. [x]gayest post in thread

[x]gayest thread in lp

On August 26 2010 08:28 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2010 07:23 Dogan0s wrote:   On August 25 2010 22:08 NiagaraPoker wrote:   On August 25 2010 19:02 Dogan0s wrote: lol wtf SO many canadians on LP an none mentioned dsquared2 like the sickest outfits atm , and the best shoes ever there http://www.dsquared2.com I don't even know what you mean by this? Canada is not even on the shipping list. the designers are from canada and i thought they might be well known there since madona is wearing their clothes lol. :> ive never heard of them

strange ;o
anyway i think their clothes are really expensive but they are the nuts.

On August 28 2010 04:31 Funktion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2010 06:33 Baal wrote: exactly what loco said, i simply dont buy that you dress up because you have to. i do dress up when i have to, i am not going to fight the stupid traditions and segregation tools of society in lets say, a funeral, or a wedding, or even as you said, a job interview, but dont kid yourself that is not your case, you like dressing up and you should question yourself why do i like fashion and clothing?. It is not because of pure aesthetic because fashion changes every year, what is considered hideous today will be fashion in 2 years so then really think why do you like dressing up, and its because its a tool to fit in yet be above who dresses poorly in society, even if you dont feel superior to them you want to be treated better better. If you think about it and realize how stupid it is you will stop doing it and you will be free from it, and attacking me changes nothing about you, i am not perfect i am shallow in some spots but how does that proves anything. This coming from a clown who wears Versace sunglasses and has/had a "trendy" pierced lip lmao.

This has come up in other threads before obviously and ive said more than once, those sunglasses were a gift from an aunt in christmas actually i lost them quite fast, oh and my lip piercing i still have it, and ive had it for about 8 years so you fail my friend.

Sorry but if you are trying to say i also follow fashion or care about brand then you will fail, and even if i didnt it wouldnt make anything ive said any less true.

On August 27 2010 23:07 zulu_nation8 wrote: I'm not really following this argument closely but I'd like to say, who cares why anyone is into anything? Maybe iop likes to dress up because that's how he was raised. Maybe it's a hobby he inherited from his dying grandmother so he likes it for sentimental reasons. Maybe he actually does follow fashion purely because he wants to be regarded as high class and that so he can separate himself from ugly people. His reasoning doesn't really matter. He could give a long explanation and still be off because he probably doesn't know himself. Why anyone does anything is usually pretty complicated. As long as his hobby isn't hurting anyone who cares why anyone is into anything.? Trying to project a complex chain of reason or psychoanalyze other people's motives in something so harmless is often pointless and downright impolite.

All of those reasons are stupid.

Thats how he was raised? so you are saying indoctrination into irrational things is ok, you must love religion, if he does fashion to be regarded as a high class individual its even worse, and no the whys are not really complicated, on the contrary its quite simple.

I gave those examples to show people do stuff for a variety of reasons, the examples aren't meant to be taken literally. I also don't understand how following fashion is irrational? I just showed you some hypothetical reasons. Iop didn't explain very well why he spends a lot of money on clothes, his hobby certainly extends beyond mere function. But in response you and Loco basically called him a shallow, materialistic person for liking clothes. Maybe a bit too harsh? (I know he attacked you personally) Just because someone buys a $100+ pair of jeans doesn't mean his self-worth revolves around material possessions. People get disposable income, some like to buy shit with it. Who cares?

On August 25 2010 12:07 gororokgororok wrote: i tell you this, clothes matter shit. jeans and a random t shirt and you're good to go. its all about your non verbal language if you wanna have attention from ze ladiessssss. save the dollars, work on your attitude.

Good thing i read everyone's points or i would be repeating what you just said. Many people aren't aware of this and try to compensate by buying expensive shit. Well said. If i could give you a thumbs up i would

The human brain isn't built to be rational, and there's no rule that says everything in life has to be rational. Every person has their own idiosyncrasies and most of the time these individual traits are going to be harmless. Trying to run around ironing out everyone's personalities isn't going to help anything. Why can't you just let people in here discuss the topic they are interested in and GTFO instead of AW'ing the fuck out of every thread by bringing up an argument and turning the threads topic into 'what does baal think of this subject'.

On August 28 2010 17:00 Night2o1 wrote: The human brain isn't built to be rational, and there's no rule that says everything in life has to be rational. Every person has their own idiosyncrasies and most of the time these individual traits are going to be harmless. Trying to run around ironing out everyone's personalities isn't going to help anything. Why can't you just let people in here discuss the topic they are interested in and GTFO instead of AW'ing the fuck out of every thread by bringing up an argument and turning the threads topic into 'what does baal think of this subject'.

this

On August 28 2010 16:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: I gave those examples to show people do stuff for a variety of reasons, the examples aren't meant to be taken literally. I also don't understand how following fashion is irrational? I just showed you some hypothetical reasons. Iop didn't explain very well why he spends a lot of money on clothes, his hobby certainly extends beyond mere function. But in response you and Loco basically called him a shallow, materialistic person for liking clothes. Maybe a bit too harsh? (I know he attacked you personally) Just because someone buys a $100+ pair of jeans doesn't mean his self-worth revolves around material possessions. People get disposable income, some like to buy shit with it. Who cares?

What do you mean, too harsh? Is it too harsh when iop judges me as a hippie with no sense of what is going on in the real world? I don't think so, as I don't take it personally. He also shouldn't take it personally if we disagree with his ways. On the other hand, I was making an observational statement by stating him to be a philistine. It's not a comfortable word to hear about oneself, but it's not revolting either. I am not misjudging his habits and trying to psychoanalyze him, and do agree with Baal that it is simple. It is always a socio-cultural thing and the consumerism is always something someone does with belief that it will make them happier individuals, otherwise they would not do it.

So, yes, he is materialistic. Is there a problem with that? Like you said, as long as he doesn't do any harm to anyone then I don't see the problem. Although when he does make a condescending statement like "the hippies who don't understand" it does hint at something. Baal is trying to educate/enlighten someone he has no authority over, which is silly. iop might very well be saying much harsher things about us in our back than us simply stating he has a materialistic lifestyle, which is nothing but the obvious. And who's going to be harshly judged the most; the dissident or the one who follows the trail his culture has traced for him? Let's be real here, anything I (or Baal) says he can just discard and tell himself we simply have no idea what's going on in the world and feel better about himself in an instant.

It's not a big deal anyhow, who cares indeed.

On August 28 2010 17:00 Night2o1 wrote: The human brain isn't built to be rational, and there's no rule that says everything in life has to be rational. Every person has their own idiosyncrasies and most of the time these individual traits are going to be harmless. Trying to run around ironing out everyone's personalities isn't going to help anything. Why can't you just let people in here discuss the topic they are interested in and GTFO instead of AW'ing the fuck out of every thread by bringing up an argument and turning the threads topic into 'what does baal think of this subject'.

nice one

On August 28 2010 17:00 Night2o1 wrote: The human brain isn't built to be rational, and there's no rule that says everything in life has to be rational. Every person has their own idiosyncrasies and most of the time these individual traits are going to be harmless. Trying to run around ironing out everyone's personalities isn't going to help anything. Why can't you just let people in here discuss the topic they are interested in and GTFO instead of AW'ing the fuck out of every thread by bringing up an argument and turning the threads topic into 'what does baal think of this subject'.

I completely agree with you about rationalization, but I believe you are mistaking if you believe that having a consumerist lifestyle has anything to do with one's own idiosyncrasies. It is not unique to his own, it is a borrowed habit coming from socio-cultural values. For that reason it is something that is embraced or abandoned. Baal is in a heroic mission in his mind to help people realize things about themselves that they are oblivious to, and sadly that is not his job and only arouses antagony. I have been guilty of the same. He doesn't mean any wrong with it.

i like the way the thread is going. reading this while having my early sunday morning cup of coffee

Yes what he said was harsh as well. But if you're politely disagreeing with someone you wouldn't use "philistine" or "materialistic." If you're flaming then say whatever, but you said those were observations so I interpret it as you do think people who follow fashion are philistines and materialistic even when those words aren't meant as insults.

If someone actually puts time and effort into having good taste in something, he'll actually be the opposite of a philistine. On the other hand, those who follow fashion might call those who don't philistines for not putting into any thought into how they dress. The general public don't care how they dress, so those who do are actually the minority.

Not that it really matters if you're mindlessly following the masses or saying fuck you to popular culture. I personally prefer the former because the latter is hard to do. You said people want material things because it makes them happy, otherwise they wouldn't do it. People do things for a variety of reasons beyond just happiness. Eudaimonia is a horribly ancient and naive concept. Even if people buy clothes to fulfill their lives, I don't see anything wrong with it. Are you gonna tell them how to live life and what happiness should be to them?

You and Baal are far from "dissidents" of culture just because you dislike throwing down for clothes. Transsexuals who are into S&M are dissidents, because their way of life and experience of society are truly different from just about every other person. You guys just disagree with fashion, not a big deal, we're entitled to our opinions.

On August 28 2010 17:41 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2010 17:00 Night2o1 wrote: The human brain isn't built to be rational, and there's no rule that says everything in life has to be rational. Every person has their own idiosyncrasies and most of the time these individual traits are going to be harmless. Trying to run around ironing out everyone's personalities isn't going to help anything. Why can't you just let people in here discuss the topic they are interested in and GTFO instead of AW'ing the fuck out of every thread by bringing up an argument and turning the threads topic into 'what does baal think of this subject'. I completely agree with you about rationalization, but I believe you are mistaking if you believe that having a consumerist lifestyle has anything to do with one's own idiosyncrasies. It is not unique to his own, it is a borrowed habit coming from socio-cultural values. For that reason it is something that is embraced or abandoned. Baal is in a heroic mission in his mind to help people realize things about themselves that they are oblivious to, and sadly that is not his job and only arises antagony. I have been guilty of the same. He doesn't mean any wrong with it.

Nigga every value you have is a socio-cultural value. You can't NOT be cultured. If you were born in some sort of society you will be like everyone else. There's nothing to fight here. If you want to experience the limits of society, you can either commit some crimes or take LSD, those are Foucauldian limit-experiences society does not offer. If you are not doing any of those things then you are living just like everyone else. I don't see what people are oblivious to. No one can judge the value of values except for the individual.

On August 28 2010 16:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: I gave those examples to show people do stuff for a variety of reasons, the examples aren't meant to be taken literally. I also don't understand how following fashion is irrational? I just showed you some hypothetical reasons. Iop didn't explain very well why he spends a lot of money on clothes, his hobby certainly extends beyond mere function. But in response you and Loco basically called him a shallow, materialistic person for liking clothes. Maybe a bit too harsh? (I know he attacked you personally) Just because someone buys a $100+ pair of jeans doesn't mean his self-worth revolves around material possessions. People get disposable income, some like to buy shit with it. Who cares?

following fashion is irrational, it serves no purpose but to segregate people who dont (fit in a social circle) as i stated earlier fashion is clearly not about pure aesthetics since its whimsy and what is hideous today will be great in 1 year.

It is just like jewerly it serves not purpose but to show off wealth, class etc.

On August 28 2010 18:50 zulu_nation8 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2010 17:41 Loco wrote:   On August 28 2010 17:00 Night2o1 wrote: The human brain isn't built to be rational, and there's no rule that says everything in life has to be rational. Every person has their own idiosyncrasies and most of the time these individual traits are going to be harmless. Trying to run around ironing out everyone's personalities isn't going to help anything. Why can't you just let people in here discuss the topic they are interested in and GTFO instead of AW'ing the fuck out of every thread by bringing up an argument and turning the threads topic into 'what does baal think of this subject'. I completely agree with you about rationalization, but I believe you are mistaking if you believe that having a consumerist lifestyle has anything to do with one's own idiosyncrasies. It is not unique to his own, it is a borrowed habit coming from socio-cultural values. For that reason it is something that is embraced or abandoned. Baal is in a heroic mission in his mind to help people realize things about themselves that they are oblivious to, and sadly that is not his job and only arises antagony. I have been guilty of the same. He doesn't mean any wrong with it. Nigga every value you have is a socio-cultural value. You can't NOT be cultured. If you were born in some sort of society you will be like everyone else. There's nothing to fight here. If you want to experience the limits of society, you can either commit some crimes or take LSD, those are Foucauldian limit-experiences society does not offer. If you are not doing any of those things then you are living just like everyone else. I don't see what people are oblivious to. No one can judge the value of values except for the individual.

this is absurd, while the "norm" is indeed to inherit irrational values from your culture that is stupid and the objective is to have none of them.

And i am not free of all of them but im free from many and ive freed myself from many indoctrinations like fashion, religion, government among many others.

Do you realize that so much of this worlds suffering comes from that?, wars, hatred, racism etc, they were values indoctrinated by their society and people with low level of awareness do not judge and take them as truths without questioning them.


Question fashion, tell me why it is reasonable to follow and devote a good chunk of your money on such a ridiculous thing.

On August 28 2010 18:38 zulu_nation8 wrote: Yes what he said was harsh as well. But if you're politely disagreeing with someone you wouldn't use "philistine" or "materialistic." If you're flaming then say whatever, but you said those were observations so I interpret it as you do think people who follow fashion are philistines and materialistic even when those words aren't meant as insults. If someone actually puts time and effort into having good taste in something, he'll actually be the opposite of a philistine. On the other hand, those who follow fashion might call those who don't philistines for not putting into any thought into how they dress. The general public don't care how they dress, so those who do are actually the minority. Not that it really matters if you're mindlessly following the masses or saying fuck you to popular culture. I personally prefer the former because the latter is hard to do. You said people want material things because it makes them happy, otherwise they wouldn't do it. People do things for a variety of reasons beyond just happiness. Eudaimonia is a horribly ancient and naive concept. Even if people buy clothes to fulfill their lives, I don't see anything wrong with it. Are you gonna tell them how to live life and what happiness should be to them? You and Baal are far from "dissidents" of culture just because you dislike throwing down for clothes. Transsexuals who are into S&M are dissidents, because their way of life and experience of society are truly different from just about every other person. You guys just disagree with fashion, not a big deal, we're entitled to our opinions.

There is no such thing as "you are entitled to your opinion" either your opinion is based on reason, evidence and logic, or your opinion is wrong.

I can have an opinion that the earth is flat, my opinion is ignorant, irrational... so what does it mean that im entitled to it? does it mean its right? does it mean i cannot be rebutted by somebody? so tell me.

Your example of S&M makes no sense, because they like some sexual practice theya re somehow dissidents and we are not? how so, i dissent from most of the status quo from society but i guess if i dont wear a leather mask i am not a dissident.

On August 28 2010 17:00 Night2o1 wrote: The human brain isn't built to be rational, and there's no rule that says everything in life has to be rational. Every person has their own idiosyncrasies and most of the time these individual traits are going to be harmless. Trying to run around ironing out everyone's personalities isn't going to help anything. Why can't you just let people in here discuss the topic they are interested in and GTFO instead of AW'ing the fuck out of every thread by bringing up an argument and turning the threads topic into 'what does baal think of this subject'.

most sufferint in this world comes from being irrational, racism, segregation, war, hatred, envy, power etc, and no i dont advocate a mechanical society y myself indulge in things that could be considered irrational like racing cars but that is a very different kind of irrationality to fashion because canalize critically fashion and its purposes as i stated earlier it is the same purpose of jewerly, dont you wonder why we pay for stupid a stupid shiny crystal with no real value whatsoever thousands and thousands?

On August 28 2010 19:10 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2010 16:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: I gave those examples to show people do stuff for a variety of reasons, the examples aren't meant to be taken literally. I also don't understand how following fashion is irrational? I just showed you some hypothetical reasons. Iop didn't explain very well why he spends a lot of money on clothes, his hobby certainly extends beyond mere function. But in response you and Loco basically called him a shallow, materialistic person for liking clothes. Maybe a bit too harsh? (I know he attacked you personally) Just because someone buys a $100+ pair of jeans doesn't mean his self-worth revolves around material possessions. People get disposable income, some like to buy shit with it. Who cares? following fashion is irrational, it serves no purpose but to segregate people who dont (fit in a social circle) as i stated earlier fashion is clearly not about pure aesthetics since its whimsy and what is hideous today will be great in 1 year. It is just like jewerly it serves not purpose but to show off wealth, class etc.

maybe the purpose it serves them doesn't agree with your values. Irrational isn't the right word, their purpose merely follow a different kind of rationality. That's not to say humans do shit for the fuck of it all the time, maybe someone does like fashion just for the fuck of it. But usually people do have reasons for hobbies

People sometimes buy jewelery just to look good or maybe even as an investment, etc. Just because someone views life different than you doesn't make it less right.

winners aka TJ Maxx

On August 28 2010 19:15 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2010 18:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:   On August 28 2010 17:41 Loco wrote:   On August 28 2010 17:00 Night2o1 wrote: The human brain isn't built to be rational, and there's no rule that says everything in life has to be rational. Every person has their own idiosyncrasies and most of the time these individual traits are going to be harmless. Trying to run around ironing out everyone's personalities isn't going to help anything. Why can't you just let people in here discuss the topic they are interested in and GTFO instead of AW'ing the fuck out of every thread by bringing up an argument and turning the threads topic into 'what does baal think of this subject'. I completely agree with you about rationalization, but I believe you are mistaking if you believe that having a consumerist lifestyle has anything to do with one's own idiosyncrasies. It is not unique to his own, it is a borrowed habit coming from socio-cultural values. For that reason it is something that is embraced or abandoned. Baal is in a heroic mission in his mind to help people realize things about themselves that they are oblivious to, and sadly that is not his job and only arises antagony. I have been guilty of the same. He doesn't mean any wrong with it. Nigga every value you have is a socio-cultural value. You can't NOT be cultured. If you were born in some sort of society you will be like everyone else. There's nothing to fight here. If you want to experience the limits of society, you can either commit some crimes or take LSD, those are Foucauldian limit-experiences society does not offer. If you are not doing any of those things then you are living just like everyone else. I don't see what people are oblivious to. No one can judge the value of values except for the individual. this is absurd, while the "norm" is indeed to inherit irrational values from your culture that is stupid and the objective is to have none of them. And i am not free of all of them but im free from many and ive freed myself from many indoctrinations like fashion, religion, government among many others. Do you realize that so much of this worlds suffering comes from that?, wars, hatred, racism etc, they were values indoctrinated by their society and people with low level of awareness do not judge and take them as truths without questioning them. Question fashion, tell me why it is reasonable to follow and devote a good chunk of your money on such a ridiculous thing.

I don't know why you're using logic to judge values, values always come before logic. For example I like clothes so I buy lots of it, that's my logic. You don't like clothes so you don't buy lots of it, that's your logic. It's not "irrational" to have different values, because there is no rational basis for any values.

Again, you're not free from any values, you just have DIFFERENT values. You can't really be free of values unless you stop living. If you hate the government you are an anarchist, if you hate religion you are an atheist, you are just taking different stances than other people on popular issues.

On the contrary, prejudice is intolerance which is what you are displaying. You don't like those who live life differently than you do and you feel justified, not just compelled, to change others.

On August 28 2010 19:24 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2010 17:00 Night2o1 wrote: The human brain isn't built to be rational, and there's no rule that says everything in life has to be rational. Every person has their own idiosyncrasies and most of the time these individual traits are going to be harmless. Trying to run around ironing out everyone's personalities isn't going to help anything. Why can't you just let people in here discuss the topic they are interested in and GTFO instead of AW'ing the fuck out of every thread by bringing up an argument and turning the threads topic into 'what does baal think of this subject'. most sufferint in this world comes from being irrational, racism, segregation, war, hatred, envy, power etc, and no i dont advocate a mechanical society y myself indulge in things that could be considered irrational like racing cars but that is a very different kind of irrationality to fashion because canalize critically fashion and its purposes as i stated earlier it is the same purpose of jewerly, dont you wonder why we pay for stupid a stupid shiny crystal with no real value whatsoever thousands and thousands?

You need to re-evaluate your understanding of rationality. What you're actually talking about is values, which are never judged by rationality. There's no one ultimate mode of reason we all follow. What seems reasonable to you might not to another person because people view things differently. There's nothing "irrational" about racing cars. What do you consider rational then? What you actually mean by rational is "my values" and irrational to be "those values that disagree with mine."