Maybe because I am extremely pessimistic? Has that not crossed your mind? Or maybe because I live the same lifestyle he favored (negating desires). If this hasn't been made apparent to you already then I don't know what to say. Watch the film I sent to you a while ago and you will understand me a little better.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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EvilSky Czech Republic. Aug 29 2010 12:52. Posts 8918
Holy bricks of text !!! I think baal has a tendency to take things to ridiculous extremes and the rest follows, from the replies here you would think its a civil rights movement for fashion.
Its like if you hear your buddy go "thats so 2006" without any sarcasm, you call him a fag and make fun of him but there is no real hatred there. People dressing a certain way because some idiots said so is just silly to me and I poke fun but its not like Im gonna gather a bunch of friends and go beat up those people either...
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zulu_nation8 United States. Aug 29 2010 14:53. Posts 1929
Obv I'm not a fan of Schopenhauer, he's the boss ascetic philosopher. I find those guys really strange. What film are you talking about Loco?
I like the jeans from TOPMAN, but thats probably only because I can wear the "skinny" ones.
Also, I'd recommend anyone who doesnt know much about what to wear and who doesnt have a friend that can help them, to go to a store that looks like it has clothes you'd be comfortable wearing and ask the people working in the store what your type clothes they think would fit your body. Do NOT buy stuff that are "in fashion" unless they fit your body and are comfortable. Not only is it pretty easy to spot that you dont fit in them, but its even easier to spot that you tried to be fashionable but never considered if you would be comfortable wearing them.
And I truly do not see the point in arguing about whether fashion is good or not. What is the point of arguing that fashion is bad, he/she is gay for knowing some brands or like to dress good, except for the whole "arguments over internet is like competing in the paralympics"-factor? Does it make you feel cool or whatever to throw around phrases like "thats gay"? Whatever...
I like to dress nice. If you like to dress like a bum because you feel like making point that you dont wear what others tell you, then fine. But that line of thinking pretty much has no ending, and can be transfered to a lot of other items/stuff which makes you look like you try too much to be alternative. I dont know about Baal (just picking you because you wrote a lot) but if you're comfortable not having nice clothes thats fine (I hope you know what im getting at here, its not personal or a "value statement". But I really dont see how the point in arguing that its this or that. It just is. A tool to be used, or not used the way you see fit, and as long as you're not trapped in some kind of rediculous "I need to by this seasons clothes just because bla bla"-circle I see nothing wrong with it.
And now I wrote a post that became too long for anyone to bother reading. Sorry for the ramble.
On August 29 2010 01:13 zulu_nation8 wrote:
When something is trendy it is always horrible.
Stayed away for a while. But I just had to fix that.
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On August 29 2010 01:13 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Just because something isn't trendy does not mean it's not good.
When something becomes a trend. It starts to detoriate.
That kind of thinking just shows that you really dont wear the clothes because you're comfortable with them but because someone told you to wear them and when everyone else started doing it you became "less unique". If that's what you're going for, then fine, but I think you are wrong and that you're putting too much stock in what clothes can do for you. Or I just misinterpreted what you wrote.
On August 28 2010 17:00 Night2o1 wrote:
The human brain isn't built to be rational, and there's no rule that says everything in life has to be rational. Every person has their own idiosyncrasies and most of the time these individual traits are going to be harmless. Trying to run around ironing out everyone's personalities isn't going to help anything. Why can't you just let people in here discuss the topic they are interested in and GTFO instead of AW'ing the fuck out of every thread by bringing up an argument and turning the threads topic into 'what does baal think of this subject'.
I completely agree with you about rationalization, but I believe you are mistaking if you believe that having a consumerist lifestyle has anything to do with one's own idiosyncrasies. It is not unique to his own, it is a borrowed habit coming from socio-cultural values. For that reason it is something that is embraced or abandoned. Baal is in a heroic mission in his mind to help people realize things about themselves that they are oblivious to, and sadly that is not his job and only arises antagony. I have been guilty of the same. He doesn't mean any wrong with it.
Nigga every value you have is a socio-cultural value. You can't NOT be cultured. If you were born in some sort of society you will be like everyone else. There's nothing to fight here. If you want to experience the limits of society, you can either commit some crimes or take LSD, those are Foucauldian limit-experiences society does not offer. If you are not doing any of those things then you are living just like everyone else. I don't see what people are oblivious to. No one can judge the value of values except for the individual.
this is absurd, while the "norm" is indeed to inherit irrational values from your culture that is stupid and the objective is to have none of them.
And i am not free of all of them but im free from many and ive freed myself from many indoctrinations like fashion, religion, government among many others.
Do you realize that so much of this worlds suffering comes from that?, wars, hatred, racism etc, they were values indoctrinated by their society and people with low level of awareness do not judge and take them as truths without questioning them.
Question fashion, tell me why it is reasonable to follow and devote a good chunk of your money on such a ridiculous thing.
If it wasnt for this thread being about fashion I'd like you to expand. You are aware of how good Mexico fares without proper government, right?
On August 29 2010 13:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Obv I'm not a fan of Schopenhauer, he's the boss ascetic philosopher. I find those guys really strange. What film are you talking about Loco?
nihilistic/existential masterpiece, doubt you would enjoy it though.
Schopenhauer is the 2nd modern philosopher I have the most affinities to. The first one is much weirder.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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zulu_nation8 United States. Aug 29 2010 23:10. Posts 1929
whos the first one? Schopenhauer has nothing to do with existentialism though nor nihilism.
On August 29 2010 22:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
whos the first one? Schopenhauer has nothing to do with existentialism though nor nihilism.
I know that, and I am not a nihilist, and the one philosopher I relate to the most (Austin Osman Spare) thought of them as being invalids, and "self-deceived egotists who are useless". Nihilism was just a part of the journey and something that was inevitable for me, it was felt, slowly and longly experienced and finally surmounted. I have lived the existential dilemma long before I have studied it, and it was the result of living in the way Schopenhauer very much favored, as did the Vedantists, Buddhists and the Stoics-- thus me having affinities with him.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Jhyun88 United States. Aug 30 2010 01:46. Posts 1383
I love LP....
Just curious Loco, what's your occupation? if you don't mind answering. I'm nowhere as knowledgeable about this stuff as you are but I think I can relate to being a huge pessimist and maybe developing into a nihilist unknowingly. It may be because my lack of self-confidence or sufficient knowledge about life or the subject at hand, but I feel like that the above traits are starting to have negative effect on my psychological well-being as well as life in general. I'm only 21 years old Uni student --;
On August 29 2010 13:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Obv I'm not a fan of Schopenhauer, he's the boss ascetic philosopher. I find those guys really strange. What film are you talking about Loco?
nihilistic/existential masterpiece, doubt you would enjoy it though.
Schopenhauer is the 2nd philosopher I have the most affinities to. The first one is much weirder.
this is good
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
I don't have one, I am an autodidact, and an hermit for the time being, partly out of choice and partly out of compulsion. I have always been a 'natural pessimist' but always attempted to keep an optimistic attitude during most of my life, as that seemed to be the way to go in society, and because I was afraid of being (even more) depressed if I were to indulge in my pessimism. Surprisingly enough, I figured out that just being myself, my natural pessimistic self, made me enjoy life more than deluding myself and trying to force a positive outlook on life. Being a pessimist for me is not about being negative all the time and constantly telling negative stuff about myself. It's not an an immature or juvenile pessimism born out of ignorance. It's just a general outlook; I am fascinated by death, I contemplate my own death constantly, the death of others, the impermanence of things, etc. and am constantly doing 'negative visualization' which is something I only learned later that the Stoics advocated as a daily practice. You can read about this psychological technique here.
If you like the film that I posted, you will most likely like Tarkovsky's Stalker (film) and Camus' The Stranger (book), both classic works.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Czech Republic. Aug 29 2010 12:52. Posts 8918
. But I really dont see how the point in arguing that its this or that. It just is. A tool to be used, or not used the way you see fit, and as long as you're not trapped in some kind of rediculous "I need to by this seasons clothes just because bla bla"-circle I see nothing wrong with it.
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