200NL Any different play or Simple cooler?

Submitted by : MeaL

Full Tilt Poker Game #23315145058: Table Fuss - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:34:32 ET - 2010/08/23
Seat 1: netoF ($176.45)
Seat 2: MaratBat ($373.60)
Seat 3: cupistub ($285)
Seat 4: NYY329 ($91.20)
Seat 5: rotoyo ($203)
Seat 6: Superquade ($232.10)
Seat 7: oncecommitted ($98.80)
Seat 8: MeaLOwNz ($373)
Seat 9: MADINNJ ($157.90)
MADINNJ posts the small blind of $1
netoF posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #8

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to MeaLOwNz
MaratBat folds
cupistub raises to $7
NYY329 folds
rotoyo folds
Superquade folds
oncecommitted has 15 seconds left to act
oncecommitted folds
MeaLOwNz calls $7
MADINNJ folds
netoF folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $17.00)

   
cupistub bets $10
MeaLOwNz calls $10

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $37.00)

   
cupistub checks
MeaLOwNz bets $26
cupistub calls $26

River (Pot : $89.00)

   
cupistub checks
MeaLOwNz bets $65
cupistub has 15 seconds left to act
cupistub raises to $242, and is all in
MeaLOwNz calls $177

Showdown
cupistub shows a full house, Aces full of Twos
MeaLOwNz mucks
cupistub wins the pot ($570) with a full house, Aces full of Twos

Summary
Total pot $573 | Rake $3
Board:
Seat 1: netoF (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: MaratBat didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: cupistub showed and won ($570) with a full house, Aces full of Twos
Seat 4: NYY329 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: rotoyo didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Superquade didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: oncecommitted didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: MeaLOwNz (button) mucked - a full house, Fives full of Twos
Seat 9: MADINNJ (small blind) folded before the Flop

uh fold flop?

if he 3barrels a lot then hes just going to 3 barrell your face off in this spot.

I'm not much for cards but I think these .45's beat a full house. JK. This is FR, i would just fold flop and be done with it. I also dont like your turn bet because hes going to CC QQ-KK and, as well as any shit Ax. I'm assuming you called the flop as a value call, and now your turning your hand as a bluff on the turn. What were you going to do on the river if it didn't hit a 5?

Calling PF was bad; unless you have a read that the villain will kiss away a buy in if you hit or that one can easily force a fold with position.
Calling the flop was bad.
Calling the turn was terrible.

The river was a cooler. He was unlikely to have 22 because of his position nor any hand with a 2 in it. He could of been playing AJ, QQ or KK like this with AA and JJ also in his range. You were ahead of his range so had to call; but calling down to get oneself in a marginal call situation was terrible. You were a calling station in this hand and I would tag you with the specific note that you're a pair sheriff and v-bet you with real hands and not put much money in without one. If you showed this behavior earlier KJs, QJs and JTs would also have been in his range making your river play better.

^ how was calling pre bad? 100% standard call on button, unless it's a situation like cutoff/highjack opens, and there's aggro squeezes in the blinds, then it becomes more of a 3bet/fold with 55, but calling here is perfectly fine

river is not a cooler, 19/13 reg is def. capable of raising 22, and he obv still has JJ/AA in his range
i agree with stim just fold flop

On August 24 2010 04:18 Exhilarate wrote: ^ how was calling pre bad? 100% standard call on button, unless it's a situation like cutoff/highjack opens, and there's aggro squeezes in the blinds, then it becomes more of a 3bet/fold with 55, but calling here is perfectly fine river is not a cooler, 19/13 reg is def. capable of raising 22, and he obv still has JJ/AA in his range i agree with stim just fold flop

for $100 more or so, its a super close / gay spot, but we are still super deep on the river, this is a fariley easy fold ;-0

On August 23 2010 21:47 Stim_Abuser wrote: if he 3barrels a lot then hes just going to 3 barrell your face off in this spot.

thats my point if i improve on turn i can get pay by alot of random hands

easy fold on river why would i fold if i improve what was the point of betting turn then non? You saying i cant bet turn then what other way i can win the pot if i dont bet turn when scare card comes and i improve on river isnt AJ AK AQ part of he's range here ??

On September 03 2010 17:10 MeaL wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2010 21:47 Stim_Abuser wrote: if he 3barrels a lot then hes just going to 3 barrell your face off in this spot. thats my point if i improve on turn i can get pay by alot of random hands

surely you know you dont have enough implied odds to call for a 2 outer? you should fold the flop tighter against players that barrell the turn/river aggressively because their bluffs will have a lot of equity against your hand and you won't be able to make correct calldowns against his range. if you stove what you think his cbetting range is I doubt you'll find yourself having more than 50% in this spot even if he always bets his air. when you're playing someone who gives up a lot after cbetting it's ok to call because you're getting more than 2:1 and won't make any misstakes later in the hand.

As played when he checks to you your bet is only good if you know he's going to make really tight folds here. you have very few value hands that play this way and people dont just expect you to have something when you call the flop, they'll put you on a float and c/c 99 etc here. Also on this turn he's checking a lot of strong hands because he doesnt think he can get value anymore when he has Jx/KK/QQ so his range isnt as weak as if the turn was a blank. Then on the river when he check/shoves on you I dont think you can call it a cooler considering you dont beat any of his valuecombos, for you to call he has to be turning a hand like Jx/mid pp/etc into a bluff but then again if you think those hands are in his range and not folding to a river bet that makes your turn and river play incongruent.

don't really understand your last comment at all, are you betting the turn to build the pot for when you hit a 5??

meal what are you even saying

full house is a good hand imo

iunno, if u know he's a super mega fagtastic faggot then maybe u can talk yourself into a fold just cuz his line looks absurdly, retardedly strong

ya u can fold, i don't even think it's that difficult now that i've started to think like a faggot just for a moment

dude's thought process is clearly that he has an invulnerable hand.

if he's never chkc turn and chkshipping AJ, any 2, any flush then you beat nothing and so u fold thereby exploiting his faggot ass

+1 A2 not in his range almost certainly, and almost certainly not intelligent enough to turn KK or whatever into a bluff via levelling wars

a spot like this, it looks stupid because your opponent is stupid. if he weren't stupid he wouldn't be playing stupidly, unless he's a very aware, very intelligent person, and you'd be able to feel that.

i mean, i ain't even have to like consciously register it, but the fucking Ad is out. what flushes are even reasonably possible? slam dunk ezpz no brainer fold.

oh and i have no issue whatsoever with how you got to river

maybe i should mass grind fullring for the rakeback and ezpz thought processes

dude chill the fuck out with ur elementary ass poker theory. Your spamming every thread with nonsense.

so im guessing that you don't have any thoughts on the hand

lets try bananas. do you have any thoughts on bananas?

Seriously, can sawseech figure out how to use a single post or get the banhammer already? thanks.

I think sawseech is just trying to see how long he can post without being banned also. At least give him a warning.. It makes me mad that I'm banned from poker discussion and he can spam all this stuff in every thread lol.

He wants to be TT. At least tom wins at poker, so even though he kinda crossed the line a few times, he also gives really sound advice. sawseech is just a burden on lp, and his spamming pisses me off. especially when he has 0 results to show for his amazing poker theory.

also ignore when I say trivial fold.. it's a timebank cringe FU fold, you think the hand over in your head 2-3x and you come to the conclusion he has to somehow have the nuts, JJ, AA or quads

Meal, he doesn't have A2 in his range, if he's ever bluffing here, it's the most suicidal bluff ever. Think about ranges here for a second. If he was bluffing and he 3 barrels a lot, he's gonna barrel turn with whatever hand hasn't gotten there yet. When he c/c turn he has *something* that isn't a bluff. He can still have QQ-KK, but you've shown nothing but strength.

He's not gonna chk/jam AJ if he even has it in his EP range, and even if he does, it's most likely not AJo, so there are two combos of AJs. He's probably not turning KK-QQ into a bluff unless he's a complete retard. If he thinks you have air, he should be c/c. If he thinks you have an ace, he can't hardly expect you to fold it, because it's most likely AJ, possibly a float with AK.

I don't mind the flop in general, as we can take it away on a decent amount of turns against most players.. but he 3 barrels a lot. You say if we improve we can get paid, but you don't have odds to draw to a 2 outer. I just fold flop vs this guy, and occasionally raise small but very rarely as I'm giving an EP raise a decent amount of credit in FR.

The hand is terrible because you improved, but he's pretty much never bluffing, and has an even lesser chance of c/ring worse for value. I'd hate it but probably bet/fold river. I like your sizing though.

sawseech, step away from the keyboard.

Seems like just an easy fold on one of the earlier streets to me

On September 03 2010 18:03 joLin wrote: meal what are you even saying

What I'm saying is that if I call flop I must bet turn maybe river it's a fold it actually cross my mind so bah. I don't see how betting turn it's bad after calling flop thought yes I should fold river

Apart from folding flop (which is arguable), I think betting the turn here is bad. When he checks when he has the tendency to 3barrel a lot, he always has a made hand which he will not fold to 1 barrel. Otherwise he'd be barreling that turn A.

Actually I think that turnbet is your worst mistake in this hand. It seems like you have no clue about ranges at all. On flop he can have a shitload of hands, but by the time he checks that turn A, he has a made hand, be it an overpair or a jack or even AQ or something, which he is not gonna fold to one bet and probably not to two bets because your line would be FOS.

On September 07 2010 13:09 Twisted wrote: Apart from folding flop (which is arguable), I think betting the turn here is bad. When he checks when he has the tendency to 3barrel a lot, he always has a made hand which he will not fold to 1 barrel. Otherwise he'd be barreling that turn A. Actually I think that turnbet is your worst mistake in this hand. It seems like you have no clue about ranges at all. On flop he can have a shitload of hands, but by the time he checks that turn A, he has a made hand, be it an overpair or a jack or even AQ or something, which he is not gonna fold to one bet and probably not to two bets because your line would be FOS.

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On September 07 2010 12:55 MeaL wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2010 18:03 joLin wrote: meal what are you even saying What I'm saying is that if I call flop I must bet turn maybe river it's a fold it actually cross my mind so bah. I don't see how betting turn it's bad after calling flop thought yes I should fold river

I'd be more inclined to put you on an ace if you checked the turn

Heyyyyyy

On September 07 2010 23:44 SpasticInk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2010 13:09 Twisted wrote: Apart from folding flop (which is arguable), I think betting the turn here is bad. When he checks when he has the tendency to 3barrel a lot, he always has a made hand which he will not fold to 1 barrel. Otherwise he'd be barreling that turn A. Actually I think that turnbet is your worst mistake in this hand. It seems like you have no clue about ranges at all. On flop he can have a shitload of hands, but by the time he checks that turn A, he has a made hand, be it an overpair or a jack or even AQ or something, which he is not gonna fold to one bet and probably not to two bets because your line would be FOS. this

ya i like true to the true

error was on turn for sure

On September 08 2010 04:54 MeaL wrote: error was on flop for sure