Thorladen cheating? - Page 8

and no, nothing ground breaking, there are just infinite ways of cheating in poker...everyone justifies certain things and looks down upon others for all sorts of different reasons and it's just a huge LOL. also big LOL how theres always huge threads of flames online when stuff like this comes out (not saying thor is a cheat) yet irl everyone is too pussy to say anything...either u care or u don't, make up ur mind.

On August 27 2010 02:33 Rekrul wrote: and no, nothing ground breaking, there are just infinite ways of cheating in poker...everyone justifies certain things and looks down upon others for all sorts of different reasons and it's just a huge LOL. also big LOL how theres always huge threads of flames online when stuff like this comes out (not saying thor is a cheat) yet irl everyone is too pussy to say anything...either u care or u don't, make up ur mind.

we all know you know something, and decided not to say anything, and this is your "justifiable" escape plan.

SPILL IT REKRUL
WE DEMAND DRAMA

change rekruls avatar to a tin foil hat

On August 27 2010 02:26 nolan wrote: mez and adz didnt collude they just split profits 50/50 in a 3 handed game wtihout the third party knowing about it. diff than outright collusion

that is collusion Nolan

Sssh Baal. He doesn't want it to be.

On August 27 2010 02:26 nolan wrote: mez and adz didnt collude they just split profits 50/50 in a 3 handed game wtihout the third party knowing about it. diff than outright collusion

You just gave the definition of collusion.

I once played in a 3 handed game and we split the profits 3-way without the dealer knowing

On August 27 2010 03:53 byrnesam wrote: I once played in a 3 handed game and we split the profits 3-way without the dealer knowing

did u keep things within preflop to avoid rake and waste the dealer's time as well? genius

lol

On August 27 2010 03:59 whamm! wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2010 03:53 byrnesam wrote: I once played in a 3 handed game and we split the profits 3-way without the dealer knowing did u keep things within preflop to avoid rake and waste the dealer's time as well? genius

lol years ago my friend messaged me saying we should "sit at a table on pokerstars and just play eachother and get FPPs until we have enough for the Porsche - and theres nothing Stars can do about it"

Plan was flawless...

ive def done some things that arent 100% ok, but they are not really all that bad either. i.e. looking at my phone for shoving charts between hands at the wsop when im short. also stuff like avoiding friends, i really dont like playing against them and avoid it if i can but if i have to i dont cheat, ive def played 10k pots vs pooruser, rek, naz and some others in the past. i dont really ghost my horses at all i let them do what they normally would because theyre good tournament players. i dunno, i dont really cheat in any possible way but im sure ive done some def never multiaccounted or colluded or anything, which is among the only really terrible things you fcan do in poker

[Sorel's] Response from 2+2:


I'm in Cyprus at the moment trying to enjoy the last day of my vacation.

The fact is, I really don't owe anyone a response, I was basically shunned out of the 2+2 community a long time ago and unlike others who have made huge efforts and hired PR to repair their damaged rep's I have just learned to accept it and not really care what people who don't know me think. I REALLY wish I cared more what you guys think, I really do. NOBODY in the history of online poker has had their reputation unfairly tainted more than I have. That's a fact.* I have had to accept that it's human nature to be jealous of ones success and it's only natural to try to bring them down to your level after they make one mistake. Well, I'm really sorry to all the members of this forum who are losing players and need*something or someone to blame. The truth is, your just not very good at poker.


I will address this matter for two reasons. One to clear the names of the people mentioned in the conversation and two, because there are actually people I know and respect who are curious about whether or not this conversation did in fact take place.

The conversation in question contains bits and pieces of information from several conversations I've had with Thorladen and others over the course of about a year.

It was quite a while ago, but if I had to guess I would say the conversations occurred from 2008 to 2009 while I was sponsored by Betfair.

Late last year, I got a message from the extortionist threatening to release what he had fabricated if I didn't send him money online. I chose to completely ignore the threats.* Whoever gained access to my PC or MSN chat conversation history took bits and pieces of things I've spoke about through MSN and cleverly conjured the information he had with information he completely fabricated in an attempt to try and incriminate me if I didn't respond to his demands. I didn't think that much of it at the time since I thought if I ignored the threats and his attempt to extort me he would have no reason to post it. But now that he has,* I'm currently in the process of trying to find out who these people are and talking to my lawyer about suing them for libel and defamation of character.

As far as Chris and Adi go, they were my horses about 2 years ago and neither of them have ever been involved in any shady activity that I know of. They are both good guys and both very trustworthy/loyal, so much so that I allowed both of them to calculate their own makeup.

Re: Europe, Yes I was cheated out of a ton of money. The first time it happened was actually before the FTP incident occurred. Other than that it's really nobodies business I'm not here to satisfy anyone's curiosity. I made the people who needed to be aware of what happened aware and that's all I felt morally obliged to do. Unfortunately, every time I do the right thing by telling people who were thinking about playing the guy what happened, the story spreads and it get's into the hands of serial gossipers / storytellers like Shaun Deeb who post broken telephone interpretations on public forums.* That's his prerogative but one things for sure Shaun's far better at spreading 8th handed information then he ever will be at poker.** You guys want to know why people are out to get me ? Well I guess this is why. Because I say what's on my mind and I guess sometimes I offend players who the idiots on this forum worship like gods.


In your elaborate fantasies you want to believe that I'm traveling the world playing 10k+ buyin's and during my off-time I'm putting 6 accounts in $200 online tournaments. Get real!* I probably play online tournaments on average once every 2-3 weeks. The main reason I've almost completely stopped playing online was to get away from the exact bull**** I'm dealing with right now.

I strongly dislike coming on internet forums to read unfair, untrue, libelous BS judgements about my character. The only people who have the right to attack my character are the ones who know me well personally and I don't think anyone who's posted thus far does. I don't blame them. As soon as anyone posts anything to defend me they get verbally attacked and accused of "sticking up for a cheater".

On a side note I don't think its fair for 2p2 admins to have kept this thread up and thereby force me to make a response defending myself from an alleged msn conversation that could have easily been fabricated especially when the op has 0 proof. Imo I think that's very irrespnsible but I'm sure most of you would disagree. After all, it isn't your integrity being questioned its mine.

There are serious things that I'd like to address in a subsequent thread that I've been thinking about posting for a long time, I'm not sure whether or not I'll post it because I truly don't owe anyone here explanations about anything I do. But I'll give it some serious thought.

So the conversation is real (condensation of many convos), he then says that the thread should have been closed because the convo could have been fake, despise the asshat has been caught cheating before... and the convo is real LOL.

And then says he plays 10k buy-in cashgames, so he is not going to cheat in 200 tourneys... disregard the fact that he has cheated in the past... ok.

just to be clear thats not thor's response its sorel's and its more than a few days old

I can't imagine anyone here hasn't talked with friends about all the different ways they could make big bucks cheating online poker. Unless there's evidence of them having actually done any of this, it is just senseless gossip

On August 27 2010 06:22 Roald wrote: Unless there's evidence of them having actually done any of this, it is just senseless gossip

True.
And Sorel said that they took and assemblied pieces of real convos. Obviously we have no idea what pieces are real. But to make him remenber the convo, it surely means, he really talked about this software. But he could be in a way : "did you know about this software ? it would be possible to cheat ! sick". and the other guy (the one who assemblied the pieces and added some) could add : "let's do this and cheat like mofos".
So while it has not been cleared, those are pure speculations.

On August 27 2010 02:33 Rekrul wrote: and no, nothing ground breaking

On August 26 2010 22:40 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2010 21:48 YoMeR wrote:   On August 26 2010 21:10 Baal wrote: yes, i know one of them too, i want to know the other 6 who's the cheater? well didnt pooruser imply he played on a few occasions on myths accounts? afaik Khan and Elky were going all-in pf against each other in a re-buy tournament to gain a big stack and Wobbly reported them and the community went against Wobbly (who was right, but also was being a dick) and even i trashed him on the thread, shame on me. Clay also colluded with ADZ to attack the lone fish and split profits or something like that, in his defense given his 2+2 unintentional confession he wasnt aware that was cheating lol wtf. cant remember any other scandals from lp.netters, you should ask Rekrul.

lol pretty standard on lp no one gives a shit about this huge huge drama bomb.

it doesnt get much worse than what clay & adz did.

On August 27 2010 05:06 Daut wrote: ive def done some things that arent 100% ok, but they are not really all that bad either. i.e. looking at my phone for shoving charts between hands at the wsop when im short.

Is that forbidden though?

I heard using Pokerstove is illegal, but who's to say having a piece of paper with some strategy on it should be banned?

On August 27 2010 03:40 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2010 02:26 nolan wrote: mez and adz didnt collude they just split profits 50/50 in a 3 handed game wtihout the third party knowing about it. diff than outright collusion that is collusion Nolan

What they do with their winnings is their business. It's only collusion if it affects their game (I would guess it might have somewhat in this case, but didn't necessarily have to).

On August 27 2010 13:44 tomson wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2010 05:06 Daut wrote: ive def done some things that arent 100% ok, but they are not really all that bad either. i.e. looking at my phone for shoving charts between hands at the wsop when im short. Is that forbidden though? I heard using Pokerstove is illegal, but who's to say having a piece of paper with some strategy on it should be banned?   On August 27 2010 03:40 Baal wrote:   On August 27 2010 02:26 nolan wrote: mez and adz didnt collude they just split profits 50/50 in a 3 handed game wtihout the third party knowing about it. diff than outright collusion that is collusion Nolan What they do with their winnings is their business. It's only collusion if it affects their game (I would guess it might have somewhat in this case, but didn't necessarily have to).

how is profit/loss sharing not going to affect the game? lol dont be silly. its affects it hugely.