Thorladen cheating? - Page 5

i count 7 already, only at a glance

On August 25 2010 16:11 Rekrul wrote: i bet every single person that has posted in this thread has cheated in one way or another in poker before

If poker with cloth-undressing as bets/raises I'm busted.

of course it counts, thats high stakes, boobs have higher value than money

On August 25 2010 16:11 Rekrul wrote: i count 7 already, only at a glance

lol what a cocktease

On August 25 2010 16:19 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 16:11 Rekrul wrote: i bet every single person that has posted in this thread has cheated in one way or another in poker before If poker with cloth-undressing as bets/raises I'm busted.

idk what this means, a bunch of LPers played stip poker? sounds incredibly incredibly gay

On August 25 2010 01:35 Baal wrote: lol yeah its so compromising to say this conversation is made up and never happened if its true... riiiiiight. If the conversation was doctored, absolutely made up or something like that and Thor didnt instantly said it its a retarded response.

Baal you do this ridiculous thing where you think your "common sense" notions about life actually hold any weight in the real world. First of all there could be a gray area in this scenario. Perhaps some of the conversation is real but large portions have been edited and doctored? Thor is going to have to go through that chat-log tooth and nail and have to remember back to two years ago when it allegedly took place. That's a process that can take a long time. Any lawyer worth his salt would tell him to be very conservative in his remarks if he makes any at all. There is a reason you so often here the words "No comment" when someone is asked by a reporter about charges recently laid against them.

People twist words and form their own perceptions. That's why it's important for Thor to take his time and be careful what statements he releases. It's also important that he let the investigation clear his name - if he is indeed innocent - before he goes around talking about it. If you want an example of this just look at these threads about the topic. He came out and said he never engaged in any of these activities and is fully cooperating with the investigation. The majority perception seems to be that statement loosely translates to "the chat-log is real and he's probably guilty of some wrongdoing" interesting because none of those words were said in his statement. Maybe that's why he's being careful. He knows people like you are going to use their "common sense" to come to conclusions long before the investigation actually provides reliable results. I doubt it would have mattered what he'd said. If he had said "the chat-log is a complete fake" you would have said "oh but there is too much intimate knowledge for it not to be at least partially real" and used that "common sense" crap all over again.

On August 25 2010 14:20 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 12:25 Daut wrote: besides the fact that the convo is OVER two years old and just being released now so we have no clue about its authenticity as a whole (i have no doubt some parts of the convo are real but cant speak for 100% of it), thor probably has nothing to hide but at the same time hes a good guy and i dont think he would want to throw sorel under the bus. anything he says to defend himself could end up with him pointing a finger at someone else and i think staying quiet for now and working with the sites on this is a fine idea. who gives a fuck about what the mass public opinion is, they can speculate and feel entitled to responses all they want but after the sites clear up the situation thor can worry about the public then if sorel deserves to be thrown under a bus he should be. Instead, and maybe for the last 2 years, many other poker players have been being thrown under busses to this scheme. If anyone told me they had this sort of intention, i would feel a public duty to out it. There is something to be said about being political but the nature of thor's reply being ambiguous and not denying that the convo was either fake or adultered is ludicrous. The 2p2ers express it in very well detail as to what is shady about it and why. Sure some posts are flames but a lot are serious and provide solid reasoning to, beyond a reasonable doubt demand more transparency from him. I can't think of any good excuse to why he would not have immediately said that the conversation was doctored or adultered. It just takes a second and if it's the truth then it would be the best thing to do in every respect, legal and PR wise. Of course, on a wild tangent, about the only semi-exusable reasoning for thor's response and lack of response I can imagine is that, if he had solid proof of the incident, say he had reported Sorel to the pokersites via emails instantly after the conversation (but it doesn't look like he's humouring him in the convo) and has verifiable logs of correspondence with an authority on the subject... then he could be intentionally wanting us to derive these conclusions as a troll before he slams down his proof. Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen, but if that is the case, it's very irresponsible from a poker community and legitimacy standpoint.

STRINGER WHERE THE FUCK IS THOR AT?
STRINGER!
WHERE IS THOR????????

they gotta do wallace

On August 25 2010 16:11 Rekrul wrote: i bet every single person that has posted in this thread has cheated in one way or another in poker before

wtf, how.

On August 25 2010 17:27 Bejamin1 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2010 01:35 Baal wrote: lol yeah its so compromising to say this conversation is made up and never happened if its true... riiiiiight. If the conversation was doctored, absolutely made up or something like that and Thor didnt instantly said it its a retarded response. Baal you do this ridiculous thing where you think your "common sense" notions about life actually hold any weight in the real world. First of all there could be a gray area in this scenario. Perhaps some of the conversation is real but large portions have been edited and doctored? Thor is going to have to go through that chat-log tooth and nail and have to remember back to two years ago when it allegedly took place. That's a process that can take a long time. Any lawyer worth his salt would tell him to be very conservative in his remarks if he makes any at all. There is a reason you so often here the words "No comment" when someone is asked by a reporter about charges recently laid against them. People twist words and form their own perceptions. That's why it's important for Thor to take his time and be careful what statements he releases. It's also important that he let the investigation clear his name - if he is indeed innocent - before he goes around talking about it. If you want an example of this just look at these threads about the topic. He came out and said he never engaged in any of these activities and is fully cooperating with the investigation. The majority perception seems to be that statement loosely translates to "the chat-log is real and he's probably guilty of some wrongdoing" interesting because none of those words were said in his statement. Maybe that's why he's being careful. He knows people like you are going to use their "common sense" to come to conclusions long before the investigation actually provides reliable results. I doubt it would have mattered what he'd said. If he had said "the chat-log is a complete fake" you would have said "oh but there is too much intimate knowledge for it not to be at least partially real" and used that "common sense" crap all over again.

Could you please elaborate on the possible harm if Thor said the conversation was false/doctored if it really is?

On August 25 2010 17:47 Daut wrote: STRINGER WHERE THE FUCK IS THOR AT? STRINGER! WHERE IS THOR????????

daut, shut your mouth.

I probably know what happened but probably shouldn't say that probable sequence of events because you probably don't want to know that he probably didn't think of all the probabilities that could probably happen with probable people who will probably do what they probably do at some probable time or another probably

On August 25 2010 20:31 InnerG wrote: I probably know what happened but probably shouldn't say that probable sequence of events because you probably don't want to know that he probably didn't think of all the probabilities that could probably happen with probable people who will probably do what they probably do at some probable time or another probably

solid 3rd or < post

On August 25 2010 16:11 Rekrul wrote: i bet every single person that has posted in this thread has cheated in one way or another in poker before

i actually have out of desperation before, but it was at low stakes and i was a dumb kid(and i seriously needed money like just for food)
it was minor collusion if anyone is curious. i think in 2005 or 2006

i would never do that sort of thing again, im a man now and i was a boy before

the opportunity has even presented itself to me multiple times since then and i've turned it down

ive never cheated in poker! not even soft play friends who ive known for like nearly 10 years.

in fact i punish them brutally

Submitted by : Stim_Abuser

Hand #49037047-37870 at Sweetwater (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 11/Jan/08 02:08:09
StimAbuser is at seat 0 with $432.45
sivankev is at seat 2 with $201
walker2323 is at seat 3 with $371.10
onegoodplayer is at seat 4 with $821.40
The button is at seat 0
sivankev posts the small blind of $1
walker2323 rejects big blind
onegoodplayer posts the big blind of $2

Holecards(Odds)
StimAbuser :
sivankev: -- --
onegoodplayer: -- --

StimAbuser raises to $7
sivankev folds
onegoodplayer re-raises to $28
StimAbuser calls

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $10)

   
onegoodplayer bets $40
StimAbuser calls

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $90.00)

   
onegoodplayer bets $70
StimAbuser raises to $200
onegoodplayer re-raises to $737
StimAbuser goes
all-in for $364.45
onegoodplayer is returned $372.55
(uncalled)

River (Pot : $-12.55)

   
(no action in this round)

Showdown
onegoodplayer shows
onegoodplayer has : flush, ace high
StimAbuser shows
StimAbuser has : straight flush, eight high

Summary
$1 is raked from a pot of $865.90
No jackpot-rake is taken from this hand
StimAbuser wins $864.90 with straight flush, eight high

LOL damn i forgot about that hand. rigged imo

i dont remember cheating either

On August 26 2010 01:31 YoMeR wrote: LOL damn i forgot about that hand. rigged imo

One time i was bay stealing at a game full of municipal workers and got beaten up when they caught me dealing off the bottom of the deck.