Thorladen cheating? - Page 3

Baal has become a much much better poster since he lost his mod status. Cause and effect? Idk, just saying

I was a little bit of a fanboy of thors when I got into LP bc his interview is pretty badass. After he, in my mind, cheated LP out of a video he disrespected himself. He made a fair bet with nazgul. Lost, had to be needled for 1 or 1.5 years or w/e to make a video and then he puts one out where he's drunk and wastes all of our time.

I can't think like he does, because, I can't fathom how he would have shady morals. Most scammers and such are often motivated at least partially by desperation, not just greed. Unless he does give the community a real response, I must assume that he values a surplus of money more than his word, his friends or anything else, maybe even more than his family.

Roman is in an unfortunate position but I think an honest response from him should be forthcoming as well.

Remember, Thor used to work on Wall St. This seems a bit like inside info/ trading to me. At least the part about knowing Mizzi would do it, and invest in him.

The part that is most disturbing to me, at least, is when Thor mentions how he is able and willing to take over a tourney or ghost as well, that it does not just have to be Mizzi. So even if someone was to say, "Oh, he is just interested in investing in it" I would have to point out that he said he would be able to be active in it, and did volunteer Roman as well.

Is this some sort of trend? The top players all tend to be top level cheats as well? I am not saying Thor did in fact cheat, but a lot of other top players have gotten in trouble for all sorts of shady practices.

It is also mentioned in the chat that if the practice was used, they could set it up to be 'untraceable.' Whether or not this is true, I am not sure. Assuming they are correct in that assessment, though, why wouldn't Thor cooperate fully? He would 'have nothing to hide' since there would be no evidence anyway.

In the USA, if they were talking about something else, like, say, a bank heist or a murder, they would be guilty of conspiracy. They would still face criminal charges.

I idolized Thor and liked to watch him play when I got a chance. I was also excited when I saw he won a nice live tourney in Atlantic City a while back.

I hope he is innocent. I hope he was merely entertaining the idea, but adhered to the rules, maintained a high level of moral and ethical values. I hope he really would not have a clear conscience if he was to cheat, and bankroll other cheaters, as he said he would in that chat.

I hope Thor and Roman also address LP to put our minds at ease. I wish I could agree with Frinkx and go with "Thor isn't a cheater," but non-cheaters do not spend time detailing and planning elaborate ways to cheat with other known cheaters (at least in my experience).

On August 24 2010 07:03 Steal City wrote: Baal has become a much much better poster since he lost his mod status. Cause and effect? Idk, just saying I was a little bit of a fanboy of thors when I got into LP bc his interview is pretty badass. After he, in my mind, cheated LP out of a video he disrespected himself. He made a fair bet with nazgul. Lost, had to be needled for 1 or 1.5 years or w/e to make a video and then he puts one out where he's drunk and wastes all of our time. I can't think like he does, because, I can't fathom how he would have shady morals. Most scammers and such are often motivated at least partially by desperation, not just greed. Unless he does give the community a real response, I must assume that he values a surplus of money more than his word, his friends or anything else, maybe even more than his family. Roman is in an unfortunate position but I think an honest response from him should be forthcoming as well.

+1 to this entire post.

that is if he did indeed was actually involved in the chat log ( which it seems he is )

On August 24 2010 05:26 Baal wrote: anyone thinking that chatlog is fake is delusional ffs -_- also lol @ calling this "gray area", using software to remotely control computers to multi-acount simultaneously is not a fucking gray area, its plain cheating.

qft

pretty unfair that they get to play the equivalent of 400 sundays per year depending on how many accounts and i only get 52.

On August 24 2010 05:26 Baal wrote: anyone thinking that chatlog is fake is delusional ffs -_- also lol @ calling this "gray area", using software to remotely control computers to multi-acount simultaneously is not a fucking gray area, its plain cheating.

never said it was, saying in general things of this nature.

Also if I was thorladen and had been printing money in my mountain home for the past 5 years no I wouldn't even consider this shit. From what I know of Thor I doubt he took any part in this beyond talking about it on msn/aim.

I posted this on 2+2:


"Even though im not a large part of this story, I feel like I have some information to offer and should respond. I would be shocked if this convo was 100% legit, seems like it did happen, I cant comment on Sorel as I dont know him well, but I have never seen Thorladen so much as consider cheating in the past (and ive known him very well for 4+ years). He is a very stand-up individual from everything ive seen over the years.

Thorladen never approached me about this which adds further skepticism in my eyes.

Don't know how I can prove what im saying... but ill gladly let someone reputable go through any transfer logs/chat logs I have."


I am almost 100% convinced that the chatlog is doctored in a way to make the people involved look bad, I had heard second hand over a year ago that someone was trying to extort Sorel. Thorladen may have humored Sorel if he was approached with such an offer just as any curious individual might, but there is no chance the conversation went down like that based on many years of knowing him. I would give 100:1 to anyone that he was in no way involved in any wrongdoing.

On August 24 2010 10:05 JonnyCosMo wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2010 05:26 Baal wrote: anyone thinking that chatlog is fake is delusional ffs -_- also lol @ calling this "gray area", using software to remotely control computers to multi-acount simultaneously is not a fucking gray area, its plain cheating. qft

PS this is absolute crazy talk, how can you have 0 suspicion of a chatlog that comes out anonymously, with no evidence to support it years after a conversation took place.

On August 24 2010 17:33 Roman wrote: + Show Spoiler + I posted this on 2+2: "Even though im not a large part of this story, I feel like I have some information to offer and should respond. I would be shocked if this convo was 100% legit, seems like it did happen, I cant comment on Sorel as I dont know him well, but I have never seen Thorladen so much as consider cheating in the past (and ive known him very well for 4+ years). He is a very stand-up individual from everything ive seen over the years. Thorladen never approached me about this which adds further skepticism in my eyes. Don't know how I can prove what im saying... but ill gladly let someone reputable go through any transfer logs/chat logs I have." I am almost 100% convinced that the chatlog is doctored in a way to make the people involved look bad, I had heard second hand over a year ago that someone was trying to extort Sorel. Thorladen may have humored Sorel if he was approached with such an offer just as any curious individual might, but there is no chance the conversation went down like that based on many years of knowing him. I would give 100:1 to anyone that he was in no way involved in any wrongdoing.

GL going up against an general consensus.

On August 24 2010 17:35 Roman wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2010 10:05 JonnyCosMo wrote:   On August 24 2010 05:26 Baal wrote: anyone thinking that chatlog is fake is delusional ffs -_- also lol @ calling this "gray area", using software to remotely control computers to multi-acount simultaneously is not a fucking gray area, its plain cheating. qft PS this is absolute crazy talk, how can you have 0 suspicion of a chatlog that comes out anonymously, with no evidence to support it years after a conversation took place.

why hasnt Thorladen said that the conversation is doctored?

On August 24 2010 17:33 Roman wrote: I am almost 100% convinced that the chatlog is doctored in a way to make the people involved look bad, I had heard second hand over a year ago that someone was trying to extort Sorel. Thorladen may have humored Sorel if he was approached with such an offer just as any curious individual might, but there is no chance the conversation went down like that based on many years of knowing him. I would give 100:1 to anyone that he was in no way involved in any wrongdoing.

They're certainly not making themselves look better with their responses. Thorladen basically writes 3 sentences while his name is BRUTALLY slandered, not even denying the chat is false. Mizzi, after making a huge deal that he has to defend himself, says that the chat is bits and pieces from several conversations, but also does not deny the content itself. Perhaps they are innocent, but they're doing such a horrible job of showing it.

Why won't they just post the genuine chat logs?
Would a person trying to tarnish their reputation really go through all the effort of collecting pieces of several, different conversations, putting them in context (I'd imagine this would be a bitch to do), changing words here and there?

I am inclined to believe Roman and have no reason not to. It sounds like Thor didn't in fact approach him with this idea.

What's weird is that Roman (i assume you've tried) can't even get an answer out of Thor (who says they are like family).

The 2p2 views regarding Thor's and Sorel's response seem very well founded.

On August 24 2010 18:13 Steal City wrote: I am inclined to believe Roman and have no reason not to. It sounds like Thor didn't in fact approach him with this idea. What's weird is that Roman (i assume you've tried) can't even get an answer out of Thor (who says they are like family). The 2p2 views regarding Thor's and Sorel's response seem very well founded.

On August 24 2010 18:13 Steal City wrote: I am inclined to believe Roman and have no reason not to. It sounds like Thor didn't in fact approach him with this idea. What's weird is that Roman (i assume you've tried) can't even get an answer out of Thor (who says they are like family). The 2p2 views regarding Thor's and Sorel's response seem very well founded.

I have talked to thor about it, its not my business to speak on anyones behalf. I respect his decision to respond the way he did and could see myself doing the same in his situation. I dont think its that hard to imagine why someone would respond that way when they are innocent.

Well I never thought Thor was lying when he claimed he never cheated, but I wouldn't find it at all surprising if Thor was nice and humoring to Sorel because he overly values money and thus overly values a relationship with Sorel(even though he's a scumbag). Not a big sin, of course - just would say something about his character.

All this is conjecture of course I am just making some guesses based off of what I have seen of the character of various human beings.

Personally I would never let this shit stand if it was inaccurate, I would explain what is a lie and what wasn't. But maybe Thor follows the advice of a lawyer or something.

Thorladen didnt say the convo is fake
PS is also investigating him
Any common logic would lead to the fact that the chatlog is real ...
However that chatlog doesnt make him guilty of anything tbh

I can see Thorladen being innocent. I've humored conversations before without being serious about it.

I don't see how Sorel can prove himself innocent here with the prior reputation of dirtbaggery.

On August 24 2010 18:38 Roman wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2010 18:13 Steal City wrote: I am inclined to believe Roman and have no reason not to. It sounds like Thor didn't in fact approach him with this idea. What's weird is that Roman (i assume you've tried) can't even get an answer out of Thor (who says they are like family). The 2p2 views regarding Thor's and Sorel's response seem very well founded. I have talked to thor about it, its not my business to speak on anyones behalf. I respect his decision to respond the way he did and could see myself doing the same in his situation. I dont think its that hard to imagine why someone would respond that way when they are innocent.

you talked to thor but you don't know if thor was humouring or not???
(imo doesn't seem like he was)
I understand you not wanting to talk on someone's behalf but then you're making guesses at what they were thinking...

I just find it weird that he didn't even tell you what he was thinking when he wrote that. You talked to him yet you don't even know if he was humouring... crazy

http://www.coinflip.com/news/sorel-mizzi-centre-another-controversy.html

cliffnotes: sorel was found guilty in 2007 of taking over a friends account in the late stages of a tournament.