Non-money Benefits of Poker - Page 3

when I read this title I compare it to Non-money Benefits of McDonalds or anything... only logical reason to WORK (and not play SC2 all day) is because we need money. Money makes the world go round, money money money... People say money can't buy happiness... but its a good place start.

On August 19 2010 17:02 lachlan wrote: approaching decisions in everyday life w/ respect to ev

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_gilbert_researches_happiness.html

a nice TED presentation of how people perceive the value of things. The guy talks about odds, perceive value of things, and how people act, how they make decisions. He points out the irrational/illogical aspect.

it allowed me to take a few years off before i studied for my degree. after leaving medicine...... i was not sure what i wanted to do and it led into the direction of finance and hopefully trading eventually.

taught me how hard it is to make money in the real world and that you have to beat off the competition. took me to the lowest of the lows near bankruptcy and i am glad that i had the experience of hitting rock bottom a few times as it has made me a stronger person.

gave me all the pocket money i needed in the world for those few years. let me take all the holidays i wanted and visit places that i could not have done otherwise as we never took holidays when i was growing up. met people i would not have otherwise met. learnt about my weakness' and strengths and had plenty of time to think about what kind of life i want to live in 10 years time.

It taught me that I could understand Romanian most of the time, without ever having studied it. That foreigners think that no one else understands their language, and will often be giant asses speaking it. I also enjoy chatting with people from a variety of countries.

Taught me: to expect the incredible, having been on the extreme ends of good and bad variance; not to count my chickens before they're hatched; to pretty much ignore day to day net worth as both unpredictable and meaningless.

It also made me carefully examine the republicans and decide that I did not want to support them ever again; unfortunately I feel the same way about the democrats

Habituated me to a strong level of cold-hearted logical analysis. I don't consider this a universally good thing though.

On August 20 2010 06:22 F4Zi wrote: it allowed me to take a few years off before i studied for my degree. after leaving medicine...... i was not sure what i wanted to do and it led into the direction of finance and hopefully trading eventually. taught me how hard it is to make money in the real world and that you have to beat off the competition took me to the lowest of the lows near bankruptcy and i am glad that i had the experience of hitting rock bottom a few times as it has made me a stronger person. gave me all the pocket money i needed in the world for those few years. let me take all the holidays i wanted and visit places that i could not have done otherwise as we never took holidays when i was growing up. met people i would not have otherwise met. learnt about my weakness' and strengths and had plenty of time to think about what kind of life i want to live in 10 years time.

Damn..a lot harder to make it in the UK than I thought..

^ lulz

i call down everyone now. street thugs, bank robbers, gang bangers. who ever...someones gotta be bluffing eventually

I gotta say, being a marginally successful grinder has been shit for my social life. Although I did meet a girl through playing with her on Stars, on the other hand, when you're a weird nerd, and girls ask you what you do, I used to be able to say "piano teacher" or "pianist" and that would score me some points. When you say "Oh, I play poker," they tend to start looking for the exit. At least, the ones that you'd be wise to want to have anything to do with.

@TalentedTom: I think there are two essential kinds of people say money can't buy you happiness. People with money who are just trying to patronizingly make you feel better that you don't have it, and people who can't get money, and that's just sour grapes. It's a fact that poverty will make you miserable, and the logical consequences of that are inescapable.

On August 21 2010 12:55 vltava wrote: @TalentedTom: I think there are two essential kinds of people say money can't buy you happiness. People with money who are just trying to patronizingly make you feel better that you don't have it, and people who can't get money, and that's just sour grapes. It's a fact that poverty will make you miserable, and the logical consequences of that are inescapable.

i thought Tom was trolling but you definitelly arent, jesus lololol how can somebody be this clueless srsly.

Baal, as usual, with the insult and no argument.

Not that I really care one way or the other whether you insult. I spend a lot of time on Pharyngula, where the insults fly freely, but people are expected to be able to form a coherent argument. (Hint: "I spell 'serious' with no vowels, therefore I am cool, therefore your argument is invalid" is not a valid syllogism.)

On August 20 2010 15:49 BigRed0000 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2010 06:22 F4Zi wrote: it allowed me to take a few years off before i studied for my degree. after leaving medicine...... i was not sure what i wanted to do and it led into the direction of finance and hopefully trading eventually. taught me how hard it is to make money in the real world and that you have to beat off the competition took me to the lowest of the lows near bankruptcy and i am glad that i had the experience of hitting rock bottom a few times as it has made me a stronger person. gave me all the pocket money i needed in the world for those few years. let me take all the holidays i wanted and visit places that i could not have done otherwise as we never took holidays when i was growing up. met people i would not have otherwise met. learnt about my weakness' and strengths and had plenty of time to think about what kind of life i want to live in 10 years time. Damn..a lot harder to make it in the UK than I thought..

i meant as in being competitive in life. otherwise life is just too easy coasting in my environment as im pretty sure my parents would throw money at me.

On August 20 2010 15:49 BigRed0000 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2010 06:22 F4Zi wrote: taught me how hard it is to make money in the real world and that you have to beat off the competition Damn..a lot harder to make it in the UK than I thought..

I lol'd

beating off is fun f4zi responding to it made me smile even more

i don't think that money buys happiness automatically, but no money causes unhappiness easily... you can consider that the same thing only inverse, but i just think money only gets you so far

On August 21 2010 14:13 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2010 12:55 vltava wrote: @TalentedTom: I think there are two essential kinds of people say money can't buy you happiness. People with money who are just trying to patronizingly make you feel better that you don't have it, and people who can't get money, and that's just sour grapes. It's a fact that poverty will make you miserable, and the logical consequences of that are inescapable. i thought Tom was trolling but you definitelly arent, jesus lololol how can somebody be this clueless srsly.

+1

The rich are maybe even more miserable than the poor. They spend their lives worried that their friends are toadies and their lovers gold diggers (which they often are); that they're going to be kidnapped, robbed, burglarized or made the victims of ID theft (all of which they sometimes are), that their relatives are just toadies also after their money. They're worried constantly about the economy turning on them and making them poor, about people suing them and making them poor. They isolate themselves in enclaves, often associate with only their own kind, often have bars on every window, are sometimes afraid to even leaves their mansions. People who envy and resent the rich and those who think being rich will make them happy are just being dumb. Happiness is an internal emotional state not something one can buy.

On August 21 2010 14:13 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2010 12:55 vltava wrote: @TalentedTom: I think there are two essential kinds of people say money can't buy you happiness. People with money who are just trying to patronizingly make you feel better that you don't have it, and people who can't get money, and that's just sour grapes. It's a fact that poverty will make you miserable, and the logical consequences of that are inescapable. i thought Tom was trolling but you definitelly arent, jesus lololol how can somebody be this clueless srsly.

Actually Baal although not entirely correct V does have a pretty strong argument.

Relevant source for my opinion on the matter: http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html

Key Points from the Researcher in the Video:

1. Happiness is too simple a definition. It's no longer useful.

2. Happiness should be broken down into the experiencing-self (moment to moment) and the remembering-self (what we remember of our life-story).

3. Money increases the happiness of the remembering-self exponentially. The remembering-self looks back with more satisfaction with their life situation based on their life story - the more money - the more happy they are with their life circumstances from the perspective of the remembering-self.

4. Money increases the happiness of the experiential-self up until 60k a year and after that it's a flat line and doesn't make people more happy on a moment-to-moment basis. So people who make over 60k a year don't get any happier in their daily lives or in their moment-to-moment experiences.

5. Lack of money absolutely does buy people misery. It won't make you more happy after 60k a year (in terms of the experiencing-self) but the lack of it will absolutely make you miserable. This is backed up by all other research on the matter.

6. This guys research findings are in the U.S. and are from a sample size of 700k people.

So yes Baal you're dead wrong to say that money doesn't effect happiness. The lack of money causes problems and stresses that buy people misery. So maybe next time you insult someone openly you should actually know what you're talking about and back it up with good research sources rather than just a bullshit generalized opinion that you "heard somewhere" and took as truth because it fit into the schema you already believed on the subject.

On August 21 2010 22:15 Snaggle wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2010 14:13 Baal wrote:   On August 21 2010 12:55 vltava wrote: @TalentedTom: I think there are two essential kinds of people say money can't buy you happiness. People with money who are just trying to patronizingly make you feel better that you don't have it, and people who can't get money, and that's just sour grapes. It's a fact that poverty will make you miserable, and the logical consequences of that are inescapable. i thought Tom was trolling but you definitelly arent, jesus lololol how can somebody be this clueless srsly. +1 The rich are maybe even more miserable than the poor. They spend their lives worried that their friends are toadies and their lovers gold diggers (which they often are); that they're going to be kidnapped, robbed, burglarized or made the victims of ID theft (all of which they sometimes are), that their relatives are just toadies also after their money. They're worried constantly about the economy turning on them and making them poor, about people suing them and making them poor. They isolate themselves in enclaves, often associate with only their own kind, often have bars on every window, are sometimes afraid to even leaves their mansions. People who envy and resent the rich and those who think being rich will make them happy are just being dumb. Happiness is an internal emotional state not something one can buy.

This is just horribly inaccurate. Generally with the exception of lottery winners, professional athletes, and rock/film stars people who earn a lot of money know how to manage money very well. They don't invest 100% of their assets in the market and spend the rest of their life worrying about it. They put aside enough that their lifestyle is protected regardless of what happens in the future. Then they use the rest of their capital to create more capital because they enjoy what they do. Wealthy people also aren't any more paranoid about bad things happening to them than the poor. Lots of bad things can happen to poor people too you know. The difference is when bad things happen to poor people they can't afford most of the easier solutions that would make their lives less stressful.

The fact that you seriously believe people who don't know where their next meal is coming from are equally as happy as people who are vastly wealthy is moronic to say the least. Money doesn't equal happiness, but it strongly effects peoples' happiness until you get to a certain threshold. This has been shown by all research on the subject. People in poverty do suffer. Saying "just internalize happiness" doesn't help people who are stressed about making rent on a daily basis or making choices between heat or electricity. Idiot.

There are a good number of rich people on this forum, why don't you ask them if all this stuff you made up about them actually applies to them?

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