Immoral Poker Q:

I know this is immoral and I'm not saying I am going to do this, but I was wondering....

I have about ~$600 on FTP right now. If I per say cashed out the $600 gave it to a friend and he put $600 to get the 100% matching bonus and I played on his account to clear it. Would it be more profitable to that with a refer-a-friend bonus on top playing 25NL or would it be more profitable to receive 27% RB playing 25NL?

did you study basic math in school?

must say i love the ridicule on this site..

I'm too lasy to do the math for you, but in general - it should be more profitable to play for rakeback.

ask Canada Bill Jones

My money is on refer + bonus

yeah this one is tough to crack lol

i wouldnt play on ftp.

online poker is rigged

put it all on red

should be more profitable .. if you can get away with it. It's a decent hussle for building an early BR

its not immoral its a multi billion dollar poker company that gets the profits. they're hardly making a loss or they wouldn't offer it. and instead of playing for ur friend once and clearing the bonus, you should create new accounts under every family member you have and clear several $600 bonuses. FTP won't do anything as long as you can send in ID on the rare chance they ask for it. legitimately why can't your family members play. everyone has a right to make their own account, yep, including your mom. that's what i would do.

the only shady side i see to it is fooling the stats and database system other people would normally have on you, but thats a whole new can of worms.

The humor in this for me is that it is adding together a single number and then a number with two letters to see if it is higher or lower than 27.

Lets see..deposit bonus is around 42% RB if you play SNGS or tournaments... depends on your style at cgs, refer a friend is what 2% extra?

Can someone tell OP which number is higher because he shouldn't be making any math decisions right now.

Taco you spent way too much time on that graph, but thank you for the info.

If you get caught, you get $0. No bonus, and including your deposit amounts, and your account gets closed, and his accounts get closed.

Chance of getting caught? Not likely, but still a possibility.

On August 17 2010 18:32 lachlan wrote: legitimately why can't your family members play. everyone has a right to make their own account, yep, including your mom. that's what i would do.

On August 17 2010 18:55 SeanBam wrote: Taco you spent way too much time on that graph, but thank you for the info.

If I was born in 1970 and used mspaint to create it I estimate a pro would do it in about 250 seconds+ 8 seconds uploading
Since I was born in the 1990s I just used an online editing program and did it all in about ~25 if you exclude the time it took to find one.

And you're welcome

it's not really immoral since you're not really hurting anyone by doing this. I've done this at least four times and built a sizable roll off this system.

This is a dumb question as one can get both the first time deposit bonus and rakeback. FTP does deduct rakeback from your bonus; but not 100% so it's most profitable to get both.

On August 17 2010 18:06 anarki wrote: put it all on red

terrible advice don't listen to this man.

Gotta put it on black.

On August 17 2010 21:39 YoMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2010 18:06 anarki wrote: put it all on red terrible advice don't listen to this man. Gotta put it on black.

conflicting advice like this is why i'll never be confident in my roulette game

On August 17 2010 21:39 YoMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2010 18:06 anarki wrote: put it all on red terrible advice don't listen to this man. Gotta put it on black.

also

racist ban

On August 17 2010 21:39 YoMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2010 18:06 anarki wrote: put it all on red terrible advice don't listen to this man. Gotta put it on black.

that would go against everything vincent chase stands for =)

If I'm understanding OP correctly the question comes down to is it more profitable to clear refer a friend bonus or earn 27% rakeback while clearing the $600 deposit bonus at $25 NL.
I don't really know how it all works though. If you get a refer a friend bonus, would that add on to the current $600 bonus for whatever it's worth? Also you get a bonus on your own account for the referral. While you're clearing bonus you get deducted rakeback anyway. So the amount of rakeback that you earn while clearing a $600 bonus might only be ~$224 (unless it's a lot different for cash games than sngs/tourneys). If you have to play longer to clear the extra though with a refer a friend bonus you have to factor that in when calculating it out. But it pretty much comes down to how much the referral bonus is. If it's over $350 total it's probably worth it.

Cash it out and clear a deposit bonus on another site.

That way, you don't have to do any primary school math, and you don't have to do anything immoral either.

btw op, clearing the bonus is way more profitable than the refer a friend thing. i cant remember what the deposit bonus equivalent is but the bonus is around 53% equivalent rakeback in full ring, something like that.

edit: haha lucifer, semi-serious =)

On August 17 2010 21:42 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2010 21:39 YoMeR wrote:   On August 17 2010 18:06 anarki wrote: put it all on red terrible advice don't listen to this man. Gotta put it on black. conflicting advice like this is why i'll never be confident in my roulette game

it totally depends on the results of the last spins. If its been red 3 times in a row, then its definitely going to be black on the 4th spin.

On August 18 2010 05:31 byrnesam wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2010 21:42 bigredhoss wrote:   On August 17 2010 21:39 YoMeR wrote:   On August 17 2010 18:06 anarki wrote: put it all on red terrible advice don't listen to this man. Gotta put it on black. conflicting advice like this is why i'll never be confident in my roulette game it totally depends on the results of the last spins. If its been red 3 times in a row, then its definitely going to be black on the 4th spin.

This is a common misconception, you probably wouldn't understand the complicated calculations behind this, but ill simplify it: first time = 50% second time = 25% third time = 12.5%, now you can see that even with 3 reds in a row, there is still 6.25% percent chance of yet another red (this is where the casino makes all the money)

yeh but thats only 6.25%

if u did a sample of 100 spins the 4th red would probably only come up once

On August 18 2010 08:44 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On August 18 2010 05:31 byrnesam wrote:   On August 17 2010 21:42 bigredhoss wrote:   On August 17 2010 21:39 YoMeR wrote:   On August 17 2010 18:06 anarki wrote: put it all on red terrible advice don't listen to this man. Gotta put it on black. conflicting advice like this is why i'll never be confident in my roulette game it totally depends on the results of the last spins. If its been red 3 times in a row, then its definitely going to be black on the 4th spin. This is a common misconception, you probably wouldn't understand the complicated calculations behind this, but ill simplify it: first time = 50% second time = 25% third time = 12.5%, now you can see that even with 3 reds in a row, there is still 6.25% percent chance of yet another red (this is where the casino makes all the money)

it's ~%50 for another red.



edit: I also love how you gave him a "real" answer


edit2: or to clarify.

4 in a row = ~6,5%

the way you said = 50% for first 50% for second 50% for third and 50% for fourth.

On August 18 2010 12:20 lucifer wrote: Show nested quote + On August 18 2010 08:44 Zorglub wrote:   On August 18 2010 05:31 byrnesam wrote:   On August 17 2010 21:42 bigredhoss wrote:   On August 17 2010 21:39 YoMeR wrote:   On August 17 2010 18:06 anarki wrote: put it all on red terrible advice don't listen to this man. Gotta put it on black. conflicting advice like this is why i'll never be confident in my roulette game it totally depends on the results of the last spins. If its been red 3 times in a row, then its definitely going to be black on the 4th spin. This is a common misconception, you probably wouldn't understand the complicated calculations behind this, but ill simplify it: first time = 50% second time = 25% third time = 12.5%, now you can see that even with 3 reds in a row, there is still 6.25% percent chance of yet another red (this is where the casino makes all the money) it's ~%50 for another red. edit: I also love how you gave him a "real" answer edit2: or to clarify. 4 in a row = ~6,5% the way you said = 50% for first 50% for second 50% for third and 50% for fourth.

lolllllllllllll

On August 18 2010 12:20 lucifer wrote: Show nested quote + On August 18 2010 08:44 Zorglub wrote:   On August 18 2010 05:31 byrnesam wrote:   On August 17 2010 21:42 bigredhoss wrote:   On August 17 2010 21:39 YoMeR wrote:   On August 17 2010 18:06 anarki wrote: put it all on red terrible advice don't listen to this man. Gotta put it on black. conflicting advice like this is why i'll never be confident in my roulette game it totally depends on the results of the last spins. If its been red 3 times in a row, then its definitely going to be black on the 4th spin. This is a common misconception, you probably wouldn't understand the complicated calculations behind this, but ill simplify it: first time = 50% second time = 25% third time = 12.5%, now you can see that even with 3 reds in a row, there is still 6.25% percent chance of yet another red (this is where the casino makes all the money) it's ~%50 for another red. edit: I also love how you gave him a "real" answer edit2: or to clarify. 4 in a row = ~6,5% the way you said = 50% for first 50% for second 50% for third and 50% for fourth.

Self ownage!

And what if zero ?

On August 18 2010 15:51 Fudyann wrote: + Show Spoiler +

fyp
god i hated that map

On August 18 2010 13:59 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On August 18 2010 12:20 lucifer wrote:   On August 18 2010 08:44 Zorglub wrote:   On August 18 2010 05:31 byrnesam wrote:   On August 17 2010 21:42 bigredhoss wrote:   On August 17 2010 21:39 YoMeR wrote:   On August 17 2010 18:06 anarki wrote: put it all on red terrible advice don't listen to this man. Gotta put it on black. conflicting advice like this is why i'll never be confident in my roulette game it totally depends on the results of the last spins. If its been red 3 times in a row, then its definitely going to be black on the 4th spin. This is a common misconception, you probably wouldn't understand the complicated calculations behind this, but ill simplify it: first time = 50% second time = 25% third time = 12.5%, now you can see that even with 3 reds in a row, there is still 6.25% percent chance of yet another red (this is where the casino makes all the money) it's ~%50 for another red. edit: I also love how you gave him a "real" answer edit2: or to clarify. 4 in a row = ~6,5% the way you said = 50% for first 50% for second 50% for third and 50% for fourth. Self ownage!

uhm... no?

edit: or... well yes. ofc 6,25%

edit2: and the same is true for the other 15 possible outcomes.

On August 18 2010 13:58 Night2o1 wrote: lolllllllllllll

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edit: or you know. kudos for awesome trolling.

This whole thread only consists of trolling

asking this kind of question publicly is not smart.

On August 19 2010 09:09 albonycee wrote: asking this kind of question publicly is not smart.

So you share my worries that FTP will backtrace him and possibly even call the cyberpolice?

Who cares, I would do it

he's already been backtraced

lol