NL10 - Aces on the flop

Submitted by : hneaz

***** Hand History for Game 47995508333 ***** Poker Stars
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 10, 11:32:30 ET 2010
Table Lobelia Real Money
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: xlcthnagr8f $7.75 USD
Seat 2: Genius4832 $10.64 USD
Seat 3: Hero $14.09 USD
Seat 5: podertotal $12.23 USD
Seat 7: Braintrick1 $12.10 USD
Seat 8: elcolongo $18.55 USD
xlcthnagr8f posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Genius4832 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Hero raises [$0.40 USD]
podertotal folds
Braintrick1 folds
elcolongo raises [$1.00 USD]
xlcthnagr8f folds
Genius4832 folds
Hero raises [$2.00 USD]
elcolongo calls [$1.40 USD]

Flop (Pot : $4.55)

   

bet flop/turn river half pot the entire way should do the trick

getting raised is kinda gay, but i prob stick it in

4bet bigger pf, also post more info on villian

Yeah def 4bet bigger. As a rule of thumb I like to always make it AT LEAST 3x when I'm OOP. Since you are 140 bb deep here it should be even bigger.

I'd bet bet bet and get it in if he raises. If he raises the flop I'm singing my favorite tune as I stick it in since I'm 99% sure he'd slowplay quads. A raise probably means he has decided to go with his QQ. It's hard for him to have an ace, only 2 combos of AK and 4 combos of AQ are possible, and he is probably calling at least one street with TT,JJ,QQ (18 combos total).

Just bet bet shove, he's never folding a pair (people never fold a fullhouse even if it's bad relative to the board).

bet bet bet ~!

no one else checks flop?

your 4 bet should be something like 3$ at least. That being said if he does call that 4 bet I always bet. There is a lot of players at these limits who are calling with a large range to a smallish 4 bet like that especially when deep.

bet bet bet he just aint gonna fold anything

On August 12 2010 18:41 joLin wrote: no one else checks flop?

don't think many people bluff these boards, and i think 88-TT play pot control here frequently

shove flop and type wooooooooooooooooooops

On August 12 2010 19:49 LikeASet wrote: shove flop and type wooooooooooooooooooops

ROFL

best line ever

3 bet bigger preflop
find a way to get it in on flop/turn/river
don't need to bet huge on the flop a little over half pot should be good

On August 12 2010 19:49 LikeASet wrote: shove flop and type wooooooooooooooooooops

Thats really funny, cuz I did that. Guess what he had? AQ..... !@#!

On August 12 2010 22:05 AznFisherman wrote: 3 bet bigger preflop find a way to get it in on flop/turn/river don't need to bet huge on the flop a little over half pot should be good

you mean 4 bet?

just feels like we're gonna run into Ax a decent amount.

On August 12 2010 23:27 joLin wrote: just feels like we're gonna run into Ax a decent amount.

lol
what are teh probabilities of him having an ace when flop come AAA
yeah we will run into A a decent amount of times (lol)

i dislike your 4 bet sizing pre. just 3x his bet pre and then proceed by putting as much money into the pot as fast as possible.

On August 12 2010 23:27 joLin wrote: just feels like we're gonna run into Ax a decent amount.

yeah. villain holds two cards. he totally holds the one other ace left in the deck.

c/f obv. villain has quads

Not only are there 3 aces out, but in a 4bet pot we also have 2 of the kings, reducing AK to 2 combos.

On August 13 2010 01:16 Grindasaurus wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2010 23:27 joLin wrote: just feels like we're gonna run into Ax a decent amount. yeah. villain holds two cards. he totally holds the one other ace left in the deck. c/f obv. villain has quads

Although you should be happy with KK here, judging by your reaction I can tell you don't realize that combinatorically villain can show up with quads a lot here.

On August 13 2010 02:10 edzwoo wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2010 01:16 Grindasaurus wrote:   On August 12 2010 23:27 joLin wrote: just feels like we're gonna run into Ax a decent amount. yeah. villain holds two cards. he totally holds the one other ace left in the deck. c/f obv. villain has quads Although you should be happy with KK here, judging by your reaction I can tell you don't realize that combinatorically villain can show up with quads a lot here.

so true. think of all the possible holdings with an ace. a2+ really. hell, even a5s beats you here. let alone a4o

...ed is not trying to level you

and jolin's comment shouldn't be met with sarcasm considering he posts solid, consistent advice in the low stakes forums

On August 12 2010 18:41 joLin wrote: no one else checks flop?

I would, there's no way to put him on a hand yet, people will make more mistakes when they think you don't have the ace, you'll induce a lot of bluffs if you just check here. You have the deck crippled and dominated if he does not have an ace and an aggressive opponent who will try to shove you off of you check=easy trap most of the time.

oh stopit everyone.... the only reason this is even posted is becuase villian showed up with the A

On August 13 2010 07:27 JSquids wrote: oh stopit everyone.... the only reason this is even posted is becuase villian showed up with the A

lololol so tru

On August 13 2010 05:04 mnj wrote: ...ed is not trying to level you and jolin's comment shouldn't be met with sarcasm considering he posts solid, consistent advice in the low stakes forums

nah i realize i made a mistake here, wasnt thinking right. theres more combos of QQ than AQ, more combos of JJ than AJ, etc. so we should be pretty happy with getting the rest of the money in.

On August 13 2010 07:27 JSquids wrote: oh stopit everyone.... the only reason this is even posted is becuase villian showed up with the A

i dont see why you post this in every thread. if you run into the nuts its still fine to question if there are enough other hands in the villains range to get it in.

On August 13 2010 02:37 Grindasaurus wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2010 02:10 edzwoo wrote:   On August 13 2010 01:16 Grindasaurus wrote:   On August 12 2010 23:27 joLin wrote: just feels like we're gonna run into Ax a decent amount. yeah. villain holds two cards. he totally holds the one other ace left in the deck. c/f obv. villain has quads Although you should be happy with KK here, judging by your reaction I can tell you don't realize that combinatorically villain can show up with quads a lot here. so true. think of all the possible holdings with an ace. a2+ really. hell, even a5s beats you here. let alone a4o

I don't know why you're responding sarcastically to people trying to help you.

On August 13 2010 14:39 joLin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2010 07:27 JSquids wrote: oh stopit everyone.... the only reason this is even posted is becuase villian showed up with the A i dont see why you post this in every thread. if you run into the nuts its still fine to question if there are enough other hands in the villains range to get it in.

i dont post this on every thread. just most, only becuase its TRUE MOST of the time. it is clearly fine to get it in with q's.


nigga plz

ROFL @ questioning this with kings jolin. someone should just say "FINE" and then the thread should be closed. lessons learned

FINE

On August 13 2010 14:37 joLin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2010 05:04 mnj wrote: ...ed is not trying to level you and jolin's comment shouldn't be met with sarcasm considering he posts solid, consistent advice in the low stakes forums nah i realize i made a mistake here, wasnt thinking right. theres more combos of QQ than AQ, more combos of JJ than AJ, etc. so we should be pretty happy with getting the rest of the money in.

well also i don't think those pairs raise anywhere, they should flat flat falt, trying to pick off a very infrequent bluff. i guess sometimes they say fuck it and jam, but if i got raised i would kinda be upset

On August 13 2010 15:52 JSquids wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2010 14:39 joLin wrote:   On August 13 2010 07:27 JSquids wrote: oh stopit everyone.... the only reason this is even posted is becuase villian showed up with the A i dont see why you post this in every thread. if you run into the nuts its still fine to question if there are enough other hands in the villains range to get it in. i dont post this on every thread. just most, only becuase its TRUE MOST of the time. it is clearly fine to get it in with q's. nigga plz

i guess the rest of us dont have poker figured out as well as you.

On August 13 2010 14:59 zulu_nation8 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2010 02:37 Grindasaurus wrote:   On August 13 2010 02:10 edzwoo wrote:   On August 13 2010 01:16 Grindasaurus wrote:   On August 12 2010 23:27 joLin wrote: just feels like we're gonna run into Ax a decent amount. yeah. villain holds two cards. he totally holds the one other ace left in the deck. c/f obv. villain has quads Although you should be happy with KK here, judging by your reaction I can tell you don't realize that combinatorically villain can show up with quads a lot here. so true. think of all the possible holdings with an ace. a2+ really. hell, even a5s beats you here. let alone a4o I don't know why you're responding sarcastically to people trying to help you.

huh? sarcasm? obv. villain has the only other ace in the deck in the 4bet pot or else this hand wouldn't have been posted. don't you know that probably 80%+ of hands posted are people getting coolered?

that has nothing to do with the fact that villain does have Ax more often than people think.

His 4bet is gooood. Not often a microstakes player makes a well-sized 4bet. It's to 24bb and he got the guy to call with a most likely worse hand. I guess you could make it around 25-26bb or so, but this is totally fine.

Now just bet 1/2pot on flop and turn and shove river.

he made it 20bbs but yea i usually 4bet to 25bbs unless the 4bet is huge then i make it a bit bigger, usually like 2.3x or something.

The 4bet was to $2.40, not $2.00.

Twisted is right, the hh converter is a bit screwy for some sites.