NL1k: KK on 220bb - Page 3

My god..

Sawseech - I don't mean to be rude but you clearly suck at poker and have nothing to offer here. This forum isn't warcraft arena. You clearly have no understanding of poker and it's not cool to blabber on your warcraft thinking process. There's some very good posters here and post like yours will discourage them from sharing their insight.

-Andrew

On September 03 2010 12:43 Fraser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2010 13:16 AndrewSong wrote:   On September 01 2010 08:54 delete wrote: lol at responses. You're crushing the part of villain's range that he's happy to get it in with. bet $400 and watch him stack off with KQo. This deep I like the 4bet size pre- you want him to be calling off a decent chunk of cash. +1 If we compare the stack/pot ratio with this sizing to a more std 100bbs situation, say 3betting KK from the blinds std size is ~11bbs right? which is 1/9 of our effective 100bb stacks. Here 280 is about 1/8. So purely from the perspective of stack/pot ratio we should be just as comfortable getting stacks in here as we would be in a std 100bb deep, 3bet KK from the blinds situation. A couple of things that separate the two situations: 1) how the difference in both players ranges between those 2 situations should affect the 4bet size (villains 3bet range will be strong and have better implied odds than in the example) and 2) pot odds are better for the villain here than in my 100bb example, so we should size bigger

I'm not sure if your asking or adding to my comments but reason why betting > potcontrol is because it's a situation where u'll be betting with most of your air. You don't wanna lose any value when huge part of his 4bet call range consists of AQ QK 99-AA

On September 05 2010 06:47 AndrewSong wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2010 12:43 Fraser wrote:   On September 01 2010 13:16 AndrewSong wrote:   On September 01 2010 08:54 delete wrote: lol at responses. You're crushing the part of villain's range that he's happy to get it in with. bet $400 and watch him stack off with KQo. This deep I like the 4bet size pre- you want him to be calling off a decent chunk of cash. +1 If we compare the stack/pot ratio with this sizing to a more std 100bbs situation, say 3betting KK from the blinds std size is ~11bbs right? which is 1/9 of our effective 100bb stacks. Here 280 is about 1/8. So purely from the perspective of stack/pot ratio we should be just as comfortable getting stacks in here as we would be in a std 100bb deep, 3bet KK from the blinds situation. A couple of things that separate the two situations: 1) how the difference in both players ranges between those 2 situations should affect the 4bet size (villains 3bet range will be strong and have better implied odds than in the example) and 2) pot odds are better for the villain here than in my 100bb example, so we should size bigger I'm not sure if your asking or adding to my comments but reason why betting > potcontrol is because it's a situation where u'll be betting with most of your air. You don't wanna lose any value when huge part of his 4bet call range consists of AQ QK 99-AA

I was agreeing with you - some people seemed to want to pot control so I just wanted to compare this situation to one where hero had 3bet KK from the blinds 100bbs deep, and point out that stack/pot ratio is similar, and yet we would never consider pot controlling KK on this board in the 3bet pot example.

we always bet here--almost the entirety of his range calls, valueraises, or semibluffraises. we never fold. i think fraser's comment is quite right but i feel our villain's range is very very wide here given dynamics and i would be quite happy to get it in with KK

leave casper alone!

Dinamics seems good to stack AQ here, if he CR the flop then i shit my pants and prolly call to see QQ-AA every time

I would've liked a slightly larger PF bet, just because I feel like a lot of guys would be willing to call the extra 180 with a small pair just for implied odds. Unless you'd been 3 betting light a lot preflop he has to have you on a big pair, so betting so small PF doesn't really tell you much about his range heading into the flop.

I think regardless of the turn or the river you're going to be in for some tough decisions if he plays back at you. If you bet the pot and he flats, you're going to be awful uncomfortable if any A or Q comes off on the turn, or if he just jams over the top of a pot sized bet, you're gonna have a hard time folding but at that point there's almost nothing you can beat so, I don't know.

I'd honestly prob just be a pussy and try to keep the pot small and try to either win or lose the minimum just to find out more about the player in question, what he called you with PF is good info to have.