figured after a pretty solid WC most ppl are having some pretty bad withdrawal until leagues pick up.
personally i've been watching some old champion's league games for a little taste to quiet the hunger. mid-2000 milan is better than sex.
but anyways. figure there can be some good transfer discussion. some good shittalking. 2009 was pretty sick and all the leagues came down to the wire. i think 2010 will be even sicker. manu or chelski? BARCA O MADRID? where is ozil going? can inter continue their dominance in serie A? who's top 4 in epl? champions league should be fucking nuts.
we can always talk about (or look at) quality WAGs as well. which cron wag are you feeling?
I am so heartbroken Barca could not buy Cesc because of debt. They will raise the money but they will have to wait for 6 months I guess. Fabregas is awesome, one of the sickest players around IMO. No wonder Wenger is fighting his teeth not to sell him.
Barca needs someone who can score from that 20-30 meters during the game, like Deco used to do. Iniesta and Xavi are arguably the best midfield pair but during the WC it was obvious they do not have this thing figured out. Like in the final it was Xabi Alonso who took this role in the second half and did it pretty well.
Overall Barca will be even more interesting to watch. Iniesta plays closer to the goal than Xavi, and maybe Cesc could play in the "line" with Xavi. Their formation is sick, because Messi starts as a winger sometimes, so if they put Villa as a striker it becomes mind-boggling, it's like 2.5 forwards and then they substitute someone for, say, Pedro and it becomes 3
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FrinkX United States. Jul 18 2010 20:16. Posts 7562
I want AC Milan to cut bullshit and buy some decent players. I was hoping for them to buy Villa or Forlan before WC, not gonna happen now. They also need to get a disciple (aka bench) for Pirlo, he won't be around forever.
Damn, that team that won Champions league, Europe super Cup and Clubs World Cup was so beautiful to watch (2006-2007).
On July 19 2010 00:24 Rush wrote:
Should have titled it FOOTBALL... with Boobs inside !
fyp.
And are they all footballers' gf or something like this ?
You said it is gonna be a great season. But I don't think so : in England or Spain, there used to be a competition for the title between 3 - 4 teams. now it is just MU vs Chelsea, and Barca vs Real.
go arsenal, Liverpool, Valencia... and AC Milan, Juventus...
On July 18 2010 18:56 pluzich wrote:
I am so heartbroken Barca could not buy Cesc because of debt. They will raise the money but they will have to wait for 6 months I guess. Fabregas is awesome, one of the sickest players around IMO. No wonder Wenger is fighting his teeth not to sell him.
Barca needs someone who can score from that 20-30 meters during the game, like Deco used to do. Iniesta and Xavi are arguably the best midfield pair but during the WC it was obvious they do not have this thing figured out. Like in the final it was Xabi Alonso who took this role in the second half and did it pretty well.
Overall Barca will be even more interesting to watch. Iniesta plays closer to the goal than Xavi, and maybe Cesc could play in the "line" with Xavi. Their formation is sick, because Messi starts as a winger sometimes, so if they put Villa as a striker it becomes mind-boggling, it's like 2.5 forwards and then they substitute someone for, say, Pedro and it becomes 3
Who's place will Fabregas take? Xavi? Iniesta? Busquets ( / Keita)?
Barcelona use a 4-3-3 formation and need a defensive midfieler behind to creative players. Guardiola is never going to bench Xavi or Iniesta, they are gods in Barcelona.
Busquets is a sick hero, don't touch him. He cut Snejder's oxygen in the final, very
very few players can do that. Overall he played pretty well in the WC.
iop you're right; Cesc and Xavi intersect. Pep has told that it would not
be a problem to play Cesc a bit behind, making him a holding midfield. It would be
a pity and I suspect somehow they're not going to do that, he's too good as a playmaker.
They are not going to field Ibra+Villa+Messi in starting XI IMHO, Ibra would go to the bench
and Iniesta could play a bit forward, making space for Cesc to tandem with Xavi. Actually
with Pedro doing so well I don't see why they need Zlatan at all. But as they have kept him
they'll probably play him, most likely as a substitute. Basically having Xavi+Fabregas+Iniesta
means they have a lot of flexibility: they can field 2 of them and later substitute one, or they
can field all three and then swap one for a forward (Pedro, Zlatan) or a holder(Keita) depending on how things go.
Guardiola told some reporters today (according to swedish news) that he could put villa and messi on each side of Ibra.
It would be a waste to have Fabregas as a Defensive midfielder. It will be the same dilemma as in the national team, the defensive midfielder (xabi alonso) will always be prioritized.
Anyways im moving to barcelona this fall, so i'm longing for the season to begin
Milkman lol i didnt spend half a thousand on a phone so i could play it cool and be all stealth
good god, im not a diehard barca fan by any means but they are going to kick some serious ass this season. villa and ibrahimovic up front. no need to even mention their midfield. messi's not too bad either.
i hope chelsea can continue thumping man u, they've gone down hill since selling ronaldo. man city have david silva, yaya toure and jerome boateng so it'll be interesting to see if they can get into the top 4. also be cool to see how liverpool do with new manager and new mindset.
On July 19 2010 10:10 iop wrote:
Anyways im moving to barcelona this fall, so i'm longing for the season to begin
you going to get a season ticket? damnn that would be the life
If I were to choose between a Barca season ticket and banging all the chicks from above I'd choose the former.
Anyway I'm planning (more dreaming like) to attend a game @ Camp Nou this year. Will let you know
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Maynard! United States. Jul 19 2010 12:54. Posts 4453
I came for the football, I stayed for the asses, I left bc of the soccer.
Now I really am a busto. Thanks FTP.
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Critterer United Kingdom. Jul 19 2010 13:35. Posts 5337
xavi is like 30 now anyway,fabregas perfect replacement.
be interesting to see how real madrid do this season, with the players mourinho has to play with you'd not be suprised to see them win the league. but then you look at barcelona's lineup and just think how can this team ever lose lol.
as for the prem writing off liverpool/arsenal before its even begun again is kinda unfair. don't get me wrong its been dominated by chelsea/man utd as of late, but nowhere near the kind of dominance seen in la liga where barce/real madrid literally win for fun against all the other teams. arsenal have been right up there till the end last season, and then liverpool season before too.
I think if liverpool keep their star players and now they got joe cole too, they could pose a threat if hodgson can collect a couple more good players together. after taking fulham to the europa league final with their players, who knows what he can do with players like torres!
Arsenal, again if they keep cesc they could do well if van p is on form and stays fit.
then yea you got man city getting stronger consistently by buying anyone remotely good lol, and spurs too.
new EPL fantasy league is up. ur team selection doesn't matter for now because ur allowed unlimited transfers up until the first match. (i think... someone tell me if this is wrong)
On July 19 2010 18:47 lachlan wrote:
new EPL fantasy league is up. ur team selection doesn't matter for now because ur allowed unlimited transfers up until the first match. (i think... someone tell me if this is wrong)
On July 19 2010 11:52 pluzich wrote:
If I were to choose between a Barca season ticket and banging all the chicks from above I'd choose the former.
Anyway I'm planning (more dreaming like) to attend a game @ Camp Nou this year. Will let you know
i'm with you man. i think more interesting would be tickets to el clasico or the former?
re: fabregas. the thing about fabregas is at barca he may find himself in same spot as espana. i think best combo for most games is something like pep's 4-3-3 w/ villa on that left wing like he played at spain. i actually really like pedro on that right wing. maybe try messi up front but allow him to move around and make plays deeper than a standard 9 (obv can have ibra in the center and messi in his usual left spot depending on opponent). then OBV xavi and iniesta and i really like busquets too. although different than world cup you are playing so many more games and fabregas can basically sub or start in place of any midfielder. something else that could be really interesting is if they ran a really flexible 4-2-2-2 w/ busquets/fabregas in the back, then xavi and iniesta doing there thing. then villa and messi up front.
it's sounding like i don't like ibrah but in a lot of matchups i just don't think he fits in all that well.
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YouGoTGoT United States. Jul 21 2010 09:20. Posts 1118
On July 19 2010 11:54 Maynard! wrote:
I came for the football, I stayed for the asses, I left bc of the soccer.
I've never had someone sum up my thoughts so perfectly
I think Barca made a huge mistake selling Yaya Touré. He is much better than Busquets and fits the system as well (when he played, he was really good). Guardiola obviously want to keep the team as spanish and catalonian as possible, but he was a bit stubborn in my opinion.
On July 21 2010 16:59 Stygg wrote:
wait for it..
30 secs in
and then she doesn't get it even when he tells her
i watched it this morning before it got taken down. but what happened at 30 secs? i got sidetracked by the actual thing and didnt look for any jokes or misinterpretations
On July 19 2010 11:52 pluzich wrote:
If I were to choose between a Barca season ticket and banging all the chicks from above I'd choose the former.
Anyway I'm planning (more dreaming like) to attend a game @ Camp Nou this year. Will let you know
i'm with you man. i think more interesting would be tickets to el clasico or the former?
re: fabregas. the thing about fabregas is at barca he may find himself in same spot as espana. i think best combo for most games is something like pep's 4-3-3 w/ villa on that left wing like he played at spain. i actually really like pedro on that right wing. maybe try messi up front but allow him to move around and make plays deeper than a standard 9 (obv can have ibra in the center and messi in his usual left spot depending on opponent). then OBV xavi and iniesta and i really like busquets too. although different than world cup you are playing so many more games and fabregas can basically sub or start in place of any midfielder. something else that could be really interesting is if they ran a really flexible 4-2-2-2 w/ busquets/fabregas in the back, then xavi and iniesta doing there thing. then villa and messi up front.
it's sounding like i don't like ibrah but in a lot of matchups i just don't think he fits in all that well.
el clasico would be very very expensive, if I recall correctly I looked up once and it was 400 Euro+ and I was not 100% sure it was legit
Given that I think I would go to a game which has a potential to end 4:0 and see Messi do a hat-trick (which CAN happen in like half of their home games). And pay much less.
I read that Arsenal went from "No way we sell Fabregas this summer go fuck yourselves" to "60 Mirrin" today. Hope Barca will seal a deal; obviously Fabregas wants to go but does not want to hand in hat formal transfer request.
I agree totally that Ibra mostly doesn't fit into that Barca possession game. His perfect place was Italy IMO.
With Villa there I wonder what happens because he and Messi both play @left. Messi can dribble from everywhere but I guess it's kind of unnatural to put him on right because you have Villa. Villa is more of a striker than Messi anyway so probably it would be Messi left, Villa left-to-center.
Pedro would be awesome with these because he did such a good job in the WC. I liked especially how he was kind of stretching that right wing: every time he would make one of those deep runs he somehow managed to dislocate the whole defense in a way that there was so much free space suddenly (vs. Germany). I do think it was due to his speed + unpredictability and not entirely defense mistake. Usually, having space in the attack is a problem for Barca because every just parks the bus against them, so if he manages to do that consistently that would be great.
Busqeuts IMO was the most underrated Spanish player of the WC. He basically did tremendous job, (like denying any breathing room to SNEJDER.) but because of the nature of the job everyone thinks he sucks. I mean a holding midfield is rarely, if ever, spectacular. You usually notice a holding midfield when he makes a mistake.
Also, what Barca lacks right now are those shots from out of the box (Xabi Alonso did it for the team, like second half against Netherlands) and Cesc can do it.
I just hope Ibra stays with Barcelona for another season, rumor says Real Madrid now?
Moving to Barcelona in 6-7 weeks. I don't think I can get any decent season tickets, due to the good ones are already taken. But we'll see, we're going to organize an event with my job to get a bunch of: CFO's, CIO's, (CEO's) to come to Barcelona and watch a game a meet the players etc.
Milkman lol i didnt spend half a thousand on a phone so i could play it cool and be all stealth
On July 21 2010 16:59 Stygg wrote:
wait for it..
30 secs in
and then she doesn't get it even when he tells her
i watched it this morning before it got taken down. but what happened at 30 secs? i got sidetracked by the actual thing and didnt look for any jokes or misinterpretations
well she said something like, "well you just got back from the world cup, which you won", Henry gets slightly surprised but still politely says "no we didn't just win it.. we did win it, but not this one" and she clearly doesnt get that he's referencing 1998, she doesn't understand at all and just insta-moves on with the interview. flew over her head.
On July 23 2010 05:57 iop wrote:
Im going to El Classico this year.
I just hope Ibra stays with Barcelona for another season, rumor says Real Madrid now?
Moving to Barcelona in 6-7 weeks. I don't think I can get any decent season tickets, due to the good ones are already taken. But we'll see, we're going to organize an event with my job to get a bunch of: CFO's, CIO's, (CEO's) to come to Barcelona and watch a game a meet the players etc.
That's super-cool. Are you really going to meet the players, that's sick.
If you have an opportunity can you drop us info about the tickets?
How much do they cost, where to buy etc.
just bumping my own post, premier league kicks off in 2 weeks i think.
On July 19 2010 18:47 lachlan wrote:
new EPL fantasy league is up. ur team selection doesn't matter for now because ur allowed unlimited transfers up until the first match. (i think... someone tell me if this is wrong)
LP.net premiership -> 279762-73973
LP.net heads up -> 279762-73977
join em =)
this is my team so far, based on chelsea / manu having easyish games, and the budget constraints led me to picking fulham as my token budget defensive team for now, usually they do pretty good even tho they're away from home against bolton first week.
I came to this thread expecting to talk some shit about what americans call fooltball but the guy is really talking about football, not handegg, damn
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Robinson47 United Kingdom. Aug 06 2010 07:25. Posts 992
premier league kicks off in 8 days time i will be sorting my dream team out sometime next week. Lower leagues start tonight. To keep the lower leagues interesting i normally have a few sason long bets on. Going to put a few more on but at the moment i got:
coventry promoted from championship £180 @ 16/1
£20lucky15
celtic 4/5
middlsborough promotion 9/4
southmpton 5/2
barcelona 5/6
i want to put a few more bets on, any suggestions?
premiership and championship are wide open this year,should be exciting.
Premier league>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOLa Liga
On August 06 2010 05:38 pluzich wrote:
How much does Cole cost?
he costs 8.5 which is overpriced i think. and to make it worse, liverpool play arsenal first up, and then man city week 2. i like him as a player but i dont see him fitting in at that price ;(
On August 06 2010 05:38 pluzich wrote:
How much does Cole cost?
he costs 8.5 which is overpriced i think. and to make it worse, liverpool play arsenal first up, and then man city week 2. i like him as a player but i dont see him fitting in at that price ;(
I don't follow PL much but my money would be on Liverpool in both those games
last bump i promise, only a couple of days left to make your team
there's too many TL.net ppl and not enough LP
On July 19 2010 18:47 lachlan wrote:
new EPL fantasy league is up. ur team selection doesn't matter for now because ur allowed unlimited transfers up until the first match. (i think... someone tell me if this is wrong)
LP.net premiership -> 279762-73973
LP.net heads up -> 279762-73977
join em =) also if anyone wants to put some money on it i might be keen, just suggest an amount
full ring
Last edit: 11/08/2010 17:43
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Robinson47 United Kingdom. Aug 22 2010 08:25. Posts 992
martyn robinson #1,
i done another lucky 15
£20 e/w lucky 15 (30x£20)
with
qpr 12/1 now 5/1 best price
livingstone 6/4 now 6/5 best price
chelsea17/10 now 6/4 best price
wycombe 10/1 now 9/1 best price
and it looks like that thug marlon king is going to coventry so my £180 @ 16/1 for promotion is looking even sweeter after picking up 7 points in 3 games.
bumping this for the end of the year sweat. i support bolton so that is boring as hell right now but i also pull for all the manchester teams over london/other teams so blackburn, blackpool, and wigan are all giving me a nice sweat to finish out the season. little upset w/ sunderland losing to wolves. don't know all remaining fixtures but hoping manu plays the youth team and punts to blackpool and roberto martinez and the lads at wigan can get some results against westham and stoke.
spanish league is pretty terrible right now. i'll probably watch the replay of barca v deportivo la caruna but all the other games i've watched recently have been garbage.
and last but certainly not least i'm really excited for the cl final. i'm glad it's in wembley as that evens the playing field a little more. this barca team might be the best team ever. i was thinking this team is so sick would i even swap anyone if i could? the only thing that stuck out really was cr7 for villa7. iker for valdez but imo valdez has played better this season. i'm also interested in what kind of lineup/tactics sir alex is gonna implement. should be a fantastic game since even if barca just dominates the ball and the game manu should at least get some good chances. basically 99.9/100 times it ends up being aesthetically pleasing.
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Syntax United States. May 15 2011 11:49. Posts 4415
cant wait either for CL finals. Barca gonna most likely dominate though, but i like Man U too so.. whatever, hopefully it'll be an awesome game
In recent Barca games Dani Alves has been 'tied' to his half, kid of funny, once even ran forward and Villa literally showed him with his hand like "go back dude u crazy? "
They have been putting Affelay in front of him who is like a classical winger, (unlike anyone in Barca), he still manages to literally run into the spot where Affelay is standing, gives him the ball, remembers he shouldn't be doing this and runs back super-fast.
Overall Barca have problems with the defense, Mascerano is really a defensive midfielder so when they put Busquets as a defender the passing flow is not the same (Bousquets is 2nd to 4th in Barca with passes completed in a regular game). When the put Mascerano as a defender it sucks because he is not a central defender, he gets caught oop. They tried both setups during the season, IMO the second one with Busquets in the middlefield is better but still vulnerable.
So IMO the question is whether Barca will get Puyol/Abidal back for the final.
If Puyol is in shape they will be OK (not an underdog, maybe slight favorite).
If Puyol+Abidal are like 70-80% in shape Barca are favorites.
If they both don't play/play bad Manchester are favorites.
CL is going to be nuts. Not a big fan of either team, but I kind of hate Barca, so go Man U. The atmosphere at Camp Nou is absolutely horrific, I was very disappointed when I saw Barca - Sevilla.
pluzich, Busquets isn't a centre back either. He's a defensive midfielder just like Mascherano. They only have to do this when Puyol/Pique are missing.
I at least got to see one CL game live this season, even though it was a bad game. I saw Chelsea - FCK at Stamford bridge.
Milkman lol i didnt spend half a thousand on a phone so i could play it cool and be all stealth
pluzich, Busquets isn't a centre back either. He's a defensive midfielder just like Mascherano. They only have to do this when Puyol/Pique are missing.
...
I know, it's just that he plays kind of OK as a defender unlike Mascerano.
On May 15 2011 11:40 pluzich wrote: In recent Barca games Dani Alves has been 'tied' to his half, kid of funny, once even ran forward and Villa literally showed him with his hand like "go back dude u crazy? "
They have been putting Affelay in front of him who is like a classical winger, (unlike anyone in Barca), he still manages to literally run into the spot where Affelay is standing, gives him the ball, remembers he shouldn't be doing this and runs back super-fast.
Overall Barca have problems with the defense, Mascerano is really a defensive midfielder so when they put Busquets as a defender the passing flow is not the same (Bousquets is 2nd to 4th in Barca with passes completed in a regular game). When the put Mascerano as a defender it sucks because he is not a central defender, he gets caught oop. They tried both setups during the season, IMO the second one with Busquets in the middlefield is better but still vulnerable.
So IMO the question is whether Barca will get Puyol/Abidal back for the final.
If Puyol is in shape they will be OK (not an underdog, maybe slight favorite).
If Puyol+Abidal are like 70-80% in shape Barca are favorites.
If they both don't play/play bad Manchester are favorites.
Will be awesome game anyway.
haha, i think it was the barcelona v espanyol game from a week ago the announcer brought up a hilarious stat on alves. he has the 3rd most touches in the final 3rd of ANY player in la liga.
about second part. i just assumed puyol was gonna be in shape. pique y puyol should absolutely murder chicharito. if puyol doesn't play rooney/midfield and chicharito/berbaduckegg could actually find a lot of spots/space and cause a lot of problems. busquets is ok and solid back there but definitely no puyol. i also assumed abidal was gonna be fine. if not valencia could def cause a lot of problems on that side. if both those guys are "questionable" this is getting close to a coinflip and possibly more fun although i really enjoy watching puyol play.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. May 15 2011 21:31. Posts 6374
On May 15 2011 11:40 pluzich wrote: In recent Barca games Dani Alves has been 'tied' to his half, kid of funny, once even ran forward and Villa literally showed him with his hand like "go back dude u crazy? "
They have been putting Affelay in front of him who is like a classical winger, (unlike anyone in Barca), he still manages to literally run into the spot where Affelay is standing, gives him the ball, remembers he shouldn't be doing this and runs back super-fast.
Overall Barca have problems with the defense, Mascerano is really a defensive midfielder so when they put Busquets as a defender the passing flow is not the same (Bousquets is 2nd to 4th in Barca with passes completed in a regular game). When the put Mascerano as a defender it sucks because he is not a central defender, he gets caught oop. They tried both setups during the season, IMO the second one with Busquets in the middlefield is better but still vulnerable.
So IMO the question is whether Barca will get Puyol/Abidal back for the final.
If Puyol is in shape they will be OK (not an underdog, maybe slight favorite).
If Puyol+Abidal are like 70-80% in shape Barca are favorites.
If they both don't play/play bad Manchester are favorites.
Will be awesome game anyway.
haha, i think it was the barcelona v espanyol game from a week ago the announcer brought up a hilarious stat on alves. he has the 3rd most touches in the final 3rd of ANY player in la liga.
about second part. i just assumed puyol was gonna be in shape. pique y puyol should absolutely murder chicharito. if puyol doesn't play rooney/midfield and chicharito/berbaduckegg could actually find a lot of spots/space and cause a lot of problems. busquets is ok and solid back there but definitely no puyol. i also assumed abidal was gonna be fine. if not valencia could def cause a lot of problems on that side. if both those guys are "questionable" this is getting close to a coinflip and possibly more fun although i really enjoy watching puyol play.
You're right, Alves is second/third usually in Barca with passes completed, Xavi is always the first obv.
But now that the defense is fucked up Alves is forced to play as a real defender. Barca defense is really really good when they are all in shape, their goal difference is 92-20 against Madrid's 94-32, 20 goals in the whole season is ridic. I have never seen such an attacking side concede so few goals from counterattacks.
Fighting for the midfield vs. Barca is kind of hopeless IMO, so I think Manchester is going to counterattack mostly and use wings (Valencia etc.).
Barcelona is the biggest and best team the world will ever know and they have the best players in the best shape since a decade I dont think Manchester have more than 20% chances winning
I'm 100% rooting for Man U vs Barca, I've never liked spanish football that much whereas Man U are sick heroes, plus I like England a lot. Realistically Barca have the edge and will probably win but it's just one game, anything can happen. go Man U!
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RaiNKhAN United States. May 17 2011 13:29. Posts 4080
bet the lions to win this year
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gororokgororok Netherlands. May 17 2011 17:19. Posts 3941
On May 17 2011 10:47 Spitfiree wrote:
Barcelona is the biggest and best team the world will ever know and they have the best players in the best shape since a decade I dont think Manchester have more than 20% chances winning
Giving them 20% is just wrong. ManU has played an extremly solid season this year, in competition and leagues. They also have an excellent bench.
With players like Rooney, Vidic, Van der Sar, Giggs who can all make a difference you cannot give this team just 20%.
Furthermore Hernandez is in top form as a striker. Manchester's passing game is very very good as well.
Winning the hardest league in Europe (Englands Premier League) and reaching the finals of the CL says quite enough.
Let's hope the final is going to be a good one. I would say Barcelona is favorite (purely because of Messi) but not more then 60%.
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gororokgororok Netherlands. May 17 2011 17:22. Posts 3941
Arsenal actually came pretty damn close in knocking Barca out of the CL. Let's hope ManU will not play like Real and play on the counter. If they both play their own game, it's going to be awesome.
Barca have the best player, ManU have the best manager. Barca would be a clear favorite still if everyone where in the same shape they were when the thrashed Madrid 5:0. But they aren't and ManU has started the season slow and then got better and better. I'm a big Barca fan but again, if both Puyol and Abidal are not playing ManU would have at least even odds for winning this.
On May 17 2011 10:47 Spitfiree wrote:
Barcelona is the biggest and best team the world will ever know and they have the best players in the best shape since a decade I dont think Manchester have more than 20% chances winning
Giving them 20% is just wrong. ManU has played an extremly solid season this year, in competition and leagues. They also have an excellent bench.
With players like Rooney, Vidic, Van der Sar, Giggs who can all make a difference you cannot give this team just 20%.
Furthermore Hernandez is in top form as a striker. Manchester's passing game is very very good as well.
Winning the hardest league in Europe (Englands Premier League) and reaching the finals of the CL says quite enough.
Let's hope the final is going to be a good one. I would say Barcelona is favorite (purely because of Messi) but not more then 60%.
Agree with gororok. Saying that a top quality team like Man U has a 20% chance of winning this ONE GAME vs a (probably) slightly better team is dumb.
On May 17 2011 16:22 gororokgororok wrote:
Arsenal actually came pretty damn close in knocking Barca out of the CL. Let's hope ManU will not play like Real and play on the counter. If they both play their own game, it's going to be awesome.
50 bucks you didnt watch the 3-1 game as far as i know Arsenal are still ron Camp Nou searching for the ball
actually only weak spot in which Man Utd has an advantage is Valencia's side - If Valencia makes a great match chances of Man Utd rise significantly
other than that im pretty sure that if Scholes is in play he ll try to break the legs of either Alves or Messi
Puyol is obviously playing and Im not sure that starting with Abidal would be the best case scenario for Barcelona considering the things he went through past couple of months I doubt he is up to the challenge mentally at this point
and a big l O l at basically saying Messi = Barcelona are u serious ?
+ i just remembered actually Hernandez is in much better shape than Villa that doesnt necessarily mean Man.Utd have an advantage there considering Barcelona's offensive
Ferguson is probably gonna go out with a diamond scheme and you saw how did that work out for Real Madrid
Actually someone should probably go ahead and just contuse Valdes since Barcelona doesnt have a 2nd goal keeper for the match
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YoMeR United States. May 17 2011 20:01. Posts 12438
On May 17 2011 10:47 Spitfiree wrote:
Barcelona is the biggest and best team the world will ever know and they have the best players in the best shape since a decade I dont think Manchester have more than 20% chances winning
care to put down some money on that claim?
i'll take manu at 4:1 for any amount ;o
eZ Life.
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YoMeR United States. May 17 2011 20:03. Posts 12438
also that claim coming from a guy from Bulgaria is kinda strange (berby about to win the golden boot in the EPL)
eZ Life.
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gororokgororok Netherlands. May 18 2011 03:20. Posts 3941
On May 17 2011 16:22 gororokgororok wrote:
Arsenal actually came pretty damn close in knocking Barca out of the CL. Let's hope ManU will not play like Real and play on the counter. If they both play their own game, it's going to be awesome.
50 bucks you didnt watch the 3-1 game as far as i know Arsenal are still ron Camp Nou searching for the ball
actually only weak spot in which Man Utd has an advantage is Valencia's side - If Valencia makes a great match chances of Man Utd rise significantly
other than that im pretty sure that if Scholes is in play he ll try to break the legs of either Alves or Messi
Puyol is obviously playing and Im not sure that starting with Abidal would be the best case scenario for Barcelona considering the things he went through past couple of months I doubt he is up to the challenge mentally at this point
and a big l O l at basically saying Messi = Barcelona are u serious ?
+ i just remembered actually Hernandez is in much better shape than Villa that doesnt necessarily mean Man.Utd have an advantage there considering Barcelona's offensive
Ferguson is probably gonna go out with a diamond scheme and you saw how did that work out for Real Madrid
Actually someone should probably go ahead and just contuse Valdes since Barcelona doesnt have a 2nd goal keeper for the match
Ok you can transfer 50bucks to gororok on stars then
I watched it and just because Barca had 70% ball possesion doesnt meant they are a clear favorite to win. This was the same vs Real madrid in the last 4 classico's and they won 1. Draw 2 and Lost 1.
In the Arsenal game it was actually Robin van Persie who ruined it for Arsenal by getting an early red. If Bendtner would have scored eye in eye vs Valdes then would have been in front with 10 minutes to go or something?
This confirms that Arsenal had a good chance of winning. And ManU is a better team ATM so 20% is just ignorant
I'm also not sure why you think Valencia will make or break the game for ManU since he probably will start on the bench. All in all this makes me question your football knowlegde.
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gororokgororok Netherlands. May 18 2011 03:23. Posts 3941
Oh yeah and FYI Messi was responsible for 70% of goals of Barcelona this season. (assist or made them by himselfes)
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Svenman87 United States. May 18 2011 03:42. Posts 4636
Just curious to find out how much playing at Wembley vs elsewhere benefits Man U?
They know how it plays and they will def have the fan support. I'm really excited to see this match - I think it'll be a really close game but gotta go with my team Man U ^_^
On May 18 2011 02:42 Svenman87 wrote:
Just curious to find out how much playing at Wembley vs elsewhere benefits Man U?
They know how it plays and they will def have the fan support. I'm really excited to see this match - I think it'll be a really close game but gotta go with my team Man U ^_^
Wembley obv. favors United, the fans will be about 1/3 Barca 2/3 ManU. But its nowhere near playing @ Old Trafford.
On May 17 2011 16:22 gororokgororok wrote:
Arsenal actually came pretty damn close in knocking Barca out of the CL. Let's hope ManU will not play like Real and play on the counter. If they both play their own game, it's going to be awesome.
50 bucks you didnt watch the 3-1 game as far as i know Arsenal are still ron Camp Nou searching for the ball
actually only weak spot in which Man Utd has an advantage is Valencia's side - If Valencia makes a great match chances of Man Utd rise significantly
other than that im pretty sure that if Scholes is in play he ll try to break the legs of either Alves or Messi
Puyol is obviously playing and Im not sure that starting with Abidal would be the best case scenario for Barcelona considering the things he went through past couple of months I doubt he is up to the challenge mentally at this point
and a big l O l at basically saying Messi = Barcelona are u serious ?
+ i just remembered actually Hernandez is in much better shape than Villa that doesnt necessarily mean Man.Utd have an advantage there considering Barcelona's offensive
Ferguson is probably gonna go out with a diamond scheme and you saw how did that work out for Real Madrid
Actually someone should probably go ahead and just contuse Valdes since Barcelona doesnt have a 2nd goal keeper for the match
Ok you can transfer 50bucks to gororok on stars then
I watched it and just because Barca had 70% ball possesion doesnt meant they are a clear favorite to win. This was the same vs Real madrid in the last 4 classico's and they won 1. Draw 2 and Lost 1.
In the Arsenal game it was actually Robin van Persie who ruined it for Arsenal by getting an early red. If Bendtner would have scored eye in eye vs Valdes then would have been in front with 10 minutes to go or something?
This confirms that Arsenal had a good chance of winning. And ManU is a better team ATM so 20% is just ignorant
I'm also not sure why you think Valencia will make or break the game for ManU since he probably will start on the bench. All in all this makes me question your football knowlegde.
Agree on Barcelona vs. Arsenal. They made 0 shots on goal and had like 25% ball possession and still could have qualified , had Bendtner actually managed to shoot that one time on target. And yeah van Persie just pressed the self-destruct button earlier in the game. And the way they won the 1st game was really curious, Barca just kind-of fell apart in the end, you don't see that happen often.
I also think 20% is ridiculous but look at the William Hill odds:
Barcelona v Man Utd (first 90 minutes)
Barca win 10/11
Draw 11/5
Utd win 5/2
The bet "To win in extra time " goes for
7/1 for Barca and 12/1 for United.
I think this is ridic., should sign up and bet against Barca they cannot be such a big favorite.
You can get barca at evens to win in normal time on betfair and I think that's stunning value - my money is being piled on that, with another few quid on manu to win it in extra time because I think if manu have survived the 90 mins then they are probably fully in the game so in extra time the teams will probably be playing much closer to equal, making barcelona too heavy favourites to win in extra time.
And on Barca v Arsenal - yes arsenal could have won, but to beat barca that's what it takes - scoring every single chance, hoping they miss a few and hanging on hoping you can scrape an own goal and a 1 on 1. It's just like a fish can win hu against a good player. And lol at saying van persie was stupid - did you see his second yellow card? He shot at goal ONE SECOND after the whistle went for offside with 90,000 people screaming loudly in the very near vicinity and got a yellow card for kicking the ball away. One of the very worst decisions of the season and nearly completely wrecked arsenal's slim chances, and certainly made the game much less good than it otherwise would have been.
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On May 18 2011 07:26 Oly wrote:
You can get barca at evens to win in normal time on betfair and I think that's stunning value - my money is being piled on that, with another few quid on manu to win it in extra time because I think if manu have survived the 90 mins then they are probably fully in the game so in extra time the teams will probably be playing much closer to equal, making barcelona too heavy favourites to win in extra time.
And on Barca v Arsenal - yes arsenal could have won, but to beat barca that's what it takes - scoring every single chance, hoping they miss a few and hanging on hoping you can scrape an own goal and a 1 on 1. It's just like a fish can win hu against a good player. And lol at saying van persie was stupid - did you see his second yellow card? He shot at goal ONE SECOND after the whistle went for offside with 90,000 people screaming loudly in the very near vicinity and got a yellow card for kicking the ball away. One of the very worst decisions of the season and nearly completely wrecked arsenal's slim chances, and certainly made the game much less good than it otherwise would have been.
van Persie didn't get the card for that episode alone, he was involved in several episodes with semi-dirty plays after getting the card, including one with Alves where I think he hit Alves' face and Alves made sure referee sees it by rolling on the turf a bit, then there was an argument with half of the Barca team involved. The ref didn't show him the card there but he was called to the ref and the ref probably told him that the next time he is going to be out.
And he heard that whistle for sure. You could see it from his movement+shot, that was not the way he does it when he knows it counts. He came up with that idea of "I didn't listen it" later, he stood dumbfolded for like 10 seconds after getting the card and then he was like hey, I didn't listen it. Plus I have been to Camp Nou, my ass 90,000 people screaming, Barca fans are the worst at making noise/cheering, this is not EPL for you, half of the time its like you're in a tennis match, people look around and clap when Iniesta does some random trick.
Also, somehow they manage to listen to every single whistle during the game except the ones which involve offside situations.
And I think even odds for Barca winning by 90 mins is a bad call.
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gororokgororok Netherlands. May 19 2011 03:22. Posts 3941
Yes Oly I agree that the first yellow card was kind of meh, but van Persie is known for this, he does it more often and should know better. The 2nd yellow card he was obviously frustrated and forced an error which led to a correct yellow card.
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