Inception (Spoilerish) - Page 5

On July 22 2010 18:22 n0rthf4ce wrote: Cobb definitely doesn't wake up at the end because: 1) They begin the inception at the beginning of a 10 hour flight from Sydney to LA. The entirety of the 10 hours translates to 1 week in level 1. When Cobb wakes up, the flight attendant asks if he wants a hot towel and immigration forms--they will be landing in 20 minutes. If indeed Cobb truly woke up, it would be mid-flight after 1 or 2 hours, not at the end of the flight. 2) Cobb wakes up unattached to Saito. It is impossible to share a dream with someone if there is no dream machine connecting you. 3) The decor of Cobb's home as well as the clothing and positioning of his children are identical than in his dreams. One of the things he warned against but didn't follow himself was that if you create dreams out of memories you can't tell what's real and what's not. He created so many dreams out of the memories of his children that at the end, even though he began to question the reality of his house and of his children and began to spin his totem, he ultimately abandoned his totem in favor of greeting his children. He no longer cared about whether or not it was reality--that was the reality he wanted to accept.

1) They don't mention how long Cobb and Saito have been in limbo, it could have been that they were in limbo for 8 real hours. Also they clearly didn't start the mission at the beginning of the flight since they were passing out drinks and such, if they only needed 1 hr in real life at most to complete the mission they would have started it probably well into the flight.

2) As I/my friend said before the rest of the crew woke up with Fisher well before Cobb and Saito got out of limbo, they would have unattached the machine. It is never said anytime during the movie that you need the machine to stay in each others dreams/limbo, it is only needed to induce the sleep/shared dreaming state.

3) Valid point which is why I'm still unsure if he woke up or not.

also from IMDB "The reason you see him (Cobb) wash up onshore at the end is because he dies from drowning in lvl 1 which resends him into limbo even though he was already there but since he died and was sent there he doesnt really know that he was dreaming until saito made him realize he was. " for more clarity on things people might have been wondering

On July 22 2010 18:22 n0rthf4ce wrote: Cobb definitely doesn't wake up at the end because: 1) They begin the inception at the beginning of a 10 hour flight from Sydney to LA. The entirety of the 10 hours translates to 1 week in level 1. When Cobb wakes up, the flight attendant asks if he wants a hot towel and immigration forms--they will be landing in 20 minutes. If indeed Cobb truly woke up, it would be mid-flight after 1 or 2 hours, not at the end of the flight. 2) Cobb wakes up unattached to Saito. It is impossible to share a dream with someone if there is no dream machine connecting you. 3) The decor of Cobb's home as well as the clothing and positioning of his children are identical than in his dreams. One of the things he warned against but didn't follow himself was that if you create dreams out of memories you can't tell what's real and what's not. He created so many dreams out of the memories of his children that at the end, even though he began to question the reality of his house and of his children and began to spin his totem, he ultimately abandoned his totem in favor of greeting his children. He no longer cared about whether or not it was reality--that was the reality he wanted to accept.

Completely agree that Cobb is definitely not in reality at the end. Nothing adds up to him making it back to the real world. But what's ambiguous is whether or not he was in reality before that.

They do need the full 10 hours because that's why they are looking for him going to the hospital or a long flight.

Also, why does Fischer not recognize Saito when they are on the same plane to LA? Saito is one of the biggest competitors for Fischer's world energy dominance right, they sure must know each other? Or am I missing something?

At the end, Cobb’s kids seem to be the same age and are seemingly wearing the same clothes as they were in his memory of them – is it “proof” he’s still dreaming? As carefully documented by our own Vic Holtreman, at the end of the film Cobb’s kids are wearing similar outfits to the ones he remembers, but their shoes are different. As for their ages: if you check IMDB, there are actually two set of actors credited with playing Cobb’s kids. The daughter
, Phillipa, is credited as being both 3 and 5 years old, while the son, James, is credited as being both 20 months and 3 years old. This suggests that while it might be subtle, there is a difference between the kids in Cobb’s memories and the kids Cobb comes home to. That would suggest the homecoming is in fact “reality.” But feel free to debate that.

Source: http://screenrant.com/inception-spoilers-discussion-kofi-68330/3/

Also in all scenes where he's supposed to be in "reality" he isn't wearing a wedding ring whereas he is in the dream scenes, so it has to be real at the end imo

On July 22 2010 18:44 Webjoker wrote: They do need the full 10 hours because that's why they are looking for him going to the hospital or a long flight. Also, why does Fischer not recognize Saito when they are on the same plane to LA? Saito is one of the biggest competitors for Fischer's world energy dominance right, they sure must know each other? Or am I missing something?

They may have planned to use the full 10 hours but once everything goes to shot in the dream they speed up their plans. For example eaves eta 1 he to crack fisher instead of all night. So the rest of the crew would have woken up with plenty of time to spare while Cobb and Saito r stuck in limbo for the flight time remaining. As for fisher not recognizing saito...that's just cuz it's a movie and ppl didn't think anyone would care

Also sick find whoosel

i would like to see this movie again.

jamie, that is one of the first things that comes to mind. why is saito old in that scene?
what level were they on in that scene?
how exactly does cobb get out of level 4(limbo)?
could saito have actually died before getting kicked and still sedated and been put into limbo?
the top was mal's top not cobb's top so that's not really a way of determining reality for cobb.
really there are just a million things in this movie.

i've read some theories/reviews online (basically from 2p2 hs thread) and think it's pretty sick that there are so many viable possibilities.

specifically this one:

http://chud.com/articles/articles/244...NG-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html

and then fds's posts on the matter on 2p2.

i'm hoping nolan got sick inspired/manic/woteva and wrote a trilogy that will delve into the characters/stories more and tie up a lot of the loose ends and inaccuracies w/ out getting too contrived/ridiculous.

if not, the movie certainly got me high better than most things and that's pretty prittttaaay good for 10 bones.

I like anyone else would love to see a sequel but the fact is that's just our desire to relive that feeling we got from this movie. In reality, IMO, this movie delivered all that needed to be delivered from a conceptual standpoint and more would only take away from the greatnesss of this film.

i really feel that one would need a pen and paper and the script to comprehend whats going on.
Doesn't Caine tell DiCaprio a line that i semi-missed about how in his real world he is running around extracting information from people's dreams with the implication that it is crazy?
How can you be certain that even teh reality 0 is real. Maybe it's some sort of SH scenario where the hero simply couldn't cope with his wife's sucide and abandoned their children.

this would probably be a really awful movie to have a sequel to. I thought the movie was just ok, not really a thinking movie but it made you feel smart when you watch it, nothing more. And it definitely wasn't as "deep" as all the interpretations of it. Reminds me of English class when you have to interpret a passage in a book and how it relates to X or Y. Like the author would EVER try to link those things together...South Park's The Tale of Scroty McBoogerballs anyone?

On July 24 2010 14:11 thewh00sel wrote: this would probably be a really awful movie to have a sequel to. I thought the movie was just ok, not really a thinking movie but it made you feel smart when you watch it, nothing more. And it definitely wasn't as "deep" as all the interpretations of it. Reminds me of English class when you have to interpret a passage in a book and how it relates to X or Y. Like the author would EVER try to link those things together...South Park's The Tale of Scroty McBoogerballs anyone?

people see what they wanna see. Some people just go with what they saw on the screen, but personally i greatly enjoyed thinking about the movies and analyzing all possible scenarios which can be true while complying with laws Nolan has set out for his dream world.

On July 22 2010 18:59 palak wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2010 18:44 Webjoker wrote: They do need the full 10 hours because that's why they are looking for him going to the hospital or a long flight. Also, why does Fischer not recognize Saito when they are on the same plane to LA? Saito is one of the biggest competitors for Fischer's world energy dominance right, they sure must know each other? Or am I missing something? They may have planned to use the full 10 hours but once everything goes to shot in the dream they speed up their plans. For example eaves eta 1 he to crack fisher instead of all night. So the rest of the crew would have woken up with plenty of time to spare while Cobb and Saito r stuck in limbo for the flight time remaining. As for fisher not recognizing saito...that's just cuz it's a movie and ppl didn't think anyone would care Also sick find whoosel

Saito didnt have to be the boss. Could be just someone working for the boss, would explain his proficiency with guns.

Definitely a dream - he didn't escape.

His daughter's voice was a teenager's voice when he first talked to her and she's still a kid at the end of the movie.

BOOM. Damn I'm good.

On July 24 2010 14:11 thewh00sel wrote: this would probably be a really awful movie to have a sequel to. I thought the movie was just ok, not really a thinking movie but it made you feel smart when you watch it, nothing more. And it definitely wasn't as "deep" as all the interpretations of it. Reminds me of English class when you have to interpret a passage in a book and how it relates to X or Y. Like the author would EVER try to link those things together...South Park's The Tale of Scroty McBoogerballs anyone?

yea. but the dude spent like 10 years on the movie and some things throughout the movie make you think. like at the end when he is in limbo or level 4 then doesnt get kicked up so actually dies drowning in level one. yusuf says something to him would be curious what that is.


although

if reality was actually a dream then why when mal kills herself jumping off the building would she not instantly dump leo in a tub and kick him up

On July 24 2010 15:51 SfydjkLm wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2010 18:59 palak wrote:   On July 22 2010 18:44 Webjoker wrote: They do need the full 10 hours because that's why they are looking for him going to the hospital or a long flight. Also, why does Fischer not recognize Saito when they are on the same plane to LA? Saito is one of the biggest competitors for Fischer's world energy dominance right, they sure must know each other? Or am I missing something? They may have planned to use the full 10 hours but once everything goes to shot in the dream they speed up their plans. For example eaves eta 1 he to crack fisher instead of all night. So the rest of the crew would have woken up with plenty of time to spare while Cobb and Saito r stuck in limbo for the flight time remaining. As for fisher not recognizing saito...that's just cuz it's a movie and ppl didn't think anyone would care Also sick find whoosel Saito didnt have to be the boss. Could be just someone working for the boss, would explain his proficiency with guns.

Even if Saito wasn't the boss, he was definitely someone very important in the company (he had the ability to purchase an airline because he thought it would be needed for the inception plan to go through) and thus Fischer should have recognized him, especially if he was riding on an airline owned by a member of a rival company.

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On July 25 2010 03:44 Achoo wrote: + Show Spoiler + This Movie was the biggest piece of shit ever filmed. I've lost 2H30 of my life that I will never get back. The idea was fucking awesome and it was heavy material for realizing a sick movie, unfortunatly the result is a huge fail. At the end you don't even care if it stops spinning or not, you're too busy rushing to the exit and end the pain.

watched it twice with tokeweed. slept through the first one, then today finally understood it. i choose to believe it was a happy ending, coz i want to watch movies that make me feel good haha

great movie, but if you guys want to see a real mindfuck watch inland empire.