Inception (Spoilerish) - Page 4

it was all a dream, i used to read word up magazine

i thought it was all a dream from the very beginning of the movie when he met ellen page for the first time.

the chase scene really made me think it was a dream and from then on everything just reinforced it to me. but then again i think they inceptioned me and put this idea in my mind......when i wake up ill know the truth

On July 20 2010 17:12 Daut wrote: ......IF i wake up ill know the truth

fyp

good point jamie, i think im immortal, i may never die so ill prob never wake up

On July 20 2010 16:50 Jamie217 wrote: How come when Cobb finds Saito at the end of the movie (and beginning) Saito is an old man and Cobb is still the same age, werent they both 4 levels deep?

Saito dies before leo, and at level 4 ages exponentially faster than Cobb before cobb enters level 4.

oh another thing, ellen page seems to know wayyyyyyy too much about cobb, seems she almost has to be a projection

WAIT WAIT WAIT....so her name is Mal? Not Moll' as in short for Molly? wtf my mind is blown. officially.

it's short for Malcolm

On July 19 2010 16:16 PoorUser wrote: also i was really hoping when the 2nd in command guy pushed the security down the paradox stairs in the hotel that he would fall ontop of his haed

LOL

At the total end of the movie the same Edith Piaf music starts playing again, like after the final end credits. What does this mean you think?

It means you sat through all the credits for nothing

On July 20 2010 17:11 Daut wrote: it was all a dream, i used to read word up magazine

My personal take on the movie is that Mal was never real, she is an idea created by Cobb. Thus the over-arching plot of the film (which no one else has considered) is Cobb is attempting to incept himself into believing Mal is real. What is the ultimate purpose of this? It is so he can create a dream-state for himself to exist in, and by killing Mal at the deepest level of his dreams, he erases all evidence that he ever created a dream-state for himself. The superficial plot of Ken Watanbe trying to defeat his corporate opponent via inception to dissolve his entire company is a metaphor for Cobb trying to defeat his awareness of existing in a dream-state by dissolving all awareness of the layers of his dream-state.

Lots of people think that the end scene with the spinning top is open-ended, because you're not sure if the top is going to stop spinning or not. How ever, the top was never Cobb's totem for telling reality from dream-state, it was Mal's. But IMO Mal isn't real, so the spinning top is essentially a red-herring.

Finally, consider our role as the audience in watching the film Inception. We are the people infiltrating into Cobb's mind. The entire film is about us being given access to Cobb's secrets. It logically follows then that Cobb is and always was presented to us in a dream-state, in which we are the observer delving deeper and deeper into his subconscious as he constructs a way to incept himself into forgetting he was ever dreaming.

On July 19 2010 14:29 YouGoTGoT wrote: OK NEW THEORY: Im starting to think the entire movie was a dream he has on the plane. Cobb is definitely fighting demons about his wifes suicide and the entire dream is about that. The people in the dream are just people he is on the plane with that show up in his dream because he has recently seen them. After he wakes up, he does not speak to anyone and he meets his dad. The pause at customs was not significant, he was never a fugitive in the US. I dk, just a theory.

wow, this totally makes sense. I honestly think you are right and have just solved the movie.

On July 22 2010 11:26 battsmasta wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2010 14:29 YouGoTGoT wrote: OK NEW THEORY: Im starting to think the entire movie was a dream he has on the plane. Cobb is definitely fighting demons about his wifes suicide and the entire dream is about that. The people in the dream are just people he is on the plane with that show up in his dream because he has recently seen them. After he wakes up, he does not speak to anyone and he meets his dad. The pause at customs was not significant, he was never a fugitive in the US. I dk, just a theory. wow, this totally makes sense. I honestly think you are right and have just solved the movie.

doesnt make sense why the children are wearing the same outfits and in the same position as the entire movie.

another thing that doesnt make sense is that when he calls his kids, the daughter sounds much older than she looks in all of the scenes where we see her, you would think she would have aged by the end esp given how much older she sounded and how long it has been since cobb has seen them.

how does michael cain know to pick him up from the airport?

etc etc etc

Yea u know after seeing it a second time I think the movie is meant to have multiple interpretations. The whole deal with him dreaming and everyone being a projection doesn't make sense to me either because when Cobb and Mal were trapped together for 50 years in the dream world it was only the two of them. If Cobb was able to make projections like Mal then I would assume that they would still be in limbo when they got there. As it is though, it seems like Cobb was only able to make more realistic projections based on his own memories. I don't think he was capable of fleshing out all these projections.

Also, in the chase scene even though everyone was looking at him when he sat down, that one guy starts arguing with him and then later when the agents come in you see a bar fight happen in the background so it doesn't seem like he's in a dream.

A lot of contradictions exist in the movie and Cobb contradicts himself constantly by saying not to do one thing but doing it anyways.

On July 19 2010 18:12 n0rthf4ce wrote: i think all these different takes on the movie are pretty sick, i think grass's theory is the sickest. gonna have to watch again obv

Yo definitely watch it again it's still sick.

On July 20 2010 16:50 Jamie217 wrote: How come when Cobb finds Saito at the end of the movie (and beginning) Saito is an old man and Cobb is still the same age, werent they both 4 levels deep?

Yea I haven't really been able to make sense of that part yet. Cobb was already in lvl4 and Saito died in lvl3 so I don't know. Maybe Cobb willed himself to go forward in time in limbo or maybe at that moment Cobb died in lvl1 because his memory seemed fuzzy when talking to the old Saito

On July 20 2010 16:50 Jamie217 wrote: How come when Cobb finds Saito at the end of the movie (and beginning) Saito is an old man and Cobb is still the same age, werent they both 4 levels deep?

My thought was Saito lacked a totem so he eventually thought limbo was reality and as such he aged normally as he thought he would. Cobb knew he was in limbo the whole time searching for Saito so he didn't age.

Cobb definitely doesn't wake up at the end because:
1) They begin the inception at the beginning of a 10 hour flight from Sydney to LA. The entirety of the 10 hours translates to 1 week in level 1. When Cobb wakes up, the flight attendant asks if he wants a hot towel and immigration forms--they will be landing in 20 minutes. If indeed Cobb truly woke up, it would be mid-flight after 1 or 2 hours, not at the end of the flight.

2) Cobb wakes up unattached to Saito. It is impossible to share a dream with someone if there is no dream machine connecting you.

3) The decor of Cobb's home as well as the clothing and positioning of his children are identical than in his dreams. One of the things he warned against but didn't follow himself was that if you create dreams out of memories you can't tell what's real and what's not. He created so many dreams out of the memories of his children that at the end, even though he began to question the reality of his house and of his children and began to spin his totem, he ultimately abandoned his totem in favor of greeting his children. He no longer cared about whether or not it was reality--that was the reality he wanted to accept.

On July 22 2010 08:13 YouGoTGoT wrote: It means you sat through all the credits for nothing

Actually I was early for the next showing to assure the best seats in the theatre. Loved the movie, definitely gonna watch it again. When I finished the movie the first time I was pretty sure what was going on but now that I read all your guys comments and those on IMDb I need to rewatch it.